On Thursday, conservatives believed Dominion's lawsuit against Giuliani was thrown out...

[brooklynite]

...based on a social media post without any actual documentation or news source.

On Friday, liberals believed Republicans plotted to send Haitians to the border...

...based on a social media post without any actual documentation or news source.

Discuss.

[Lovie777]

1. They do not live in the real world re: Qanon . .....

As to "Liberals", I think we tend to rely on evidence and facts. With the cult, there is no rational evidence of facts, none.

[True Blue American]

5. Just the facts!

[Dorian Gray]

19. I don't believe this is true

Liberals are just as quick to embrace things that affirm their biases. If not, Micheal Avenatti for president would never have been a thing. (On this very board.)

Seth Abrahamson wouldn't have been a thing (on twitter).

The Krassenstein Brothers would never have been a thing on twitter. (Before they were banned.)

David Hogg wouldn't have started selling fucking PILLOWS as a liberal pillow purveyor to battle Mike Lindell.

There are a lot of grifts that are successful in the liberal world.


This isn't meant to attack liberals. I think we need to question where stories are coming from and the reality of it.

The thousands of Haitian on the border needs to be investigated, but we currently have no proof that jason "Big Face" Miller had anything to do with it. That's where investigative journalists and law enforecemtn should come in to investigate. And we should look at factual evidence and not make leaps in logic. (Even though my personal bias tells me that there is something fucking fishy about thousands converging on the border last week.)

[left-of-center2012]

2. Seriously?

You want us to discuss things that have no actual documentation or news source?

Maybe draw us into arguments against each other?

[Tomconroy]

3. I think he wants us to discuss why anyone would believe

Anything based on a single goofy tweet.

[True Blue American]

4. And on Friday

Rudy was banned from Fox News! Wonder why? Could it be the dominion law suit that has not been thrown out?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. The ban is long standing. It was confirmed, again, on Friday, it seems. . . . nt

[ashredux]

6. 1. The lawsuit is easy to confirm...there are actual court documents.

2. The massive influx of Haitians from Brail at the border was very odd. Time will tell. To have around 15,000 people show up in a manner of a few days isn’t normal.

3. You post was not informative in the least. Time will tell…

[Skittles]

7. excellent analysis

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. +1

[RVN VET71]

21. The 15,000 Haitians from Brazil have stories to tell, to be sure

Somebody got them together and somebody managed to get them to our southern border all at once. But who? And how? I hope there are investigative reporters looking into it.

As a rule, I would not expect any of the Fat Man’s associates to be clever enough to organize and pull such a thing off. Could Bolsonaro, himself, have helped? If not him, then who else in Brazil? In the U.S.? Elsewhere?

If we, as a nation, have the time, time will tell the story.

[Skittles]

8. these two are not even remotely good material for a comparison

I'm not even on Twitter but I know something stinks in Texas.

[ananda]

11. Agree

I think Miller and Brazil organized that Haitian influx.

[Roy Rolling]

12. Weak Link

Conservatives believed…

Liberals believed…

Please provide evidence supporting this claim.

You ask me to discuss but how can we discuss unless we agree on what we may disagree about?

You’re welcome.

[Tadpole Raisin]

24. If we only had that journalistic mindset!

[kentuck]

13. One was from the ether and one was real.

There was no evidence that the lawsuit against Giuliani was thrown out.

There was evidence that 15,000 Haitians were camped out at the Texas border. (The belief that there was some sort of conspiracy was because most of them came from Brazil and some had left Haiti months and years ago. It seemed more than coincidental, rather suspicious to some, that they all ended up under some bridge in a small town in Texas? It further added to the suspicion that Jason Miller, Trump confidante, was held in custody by Brazilian authorities just before it happened?)

Sometimes even paranoids have enemies.

[GoCubsGo]

23. Like Malcolm Nance says, "Coincidence takes a lot of planning."

Imagine waking up to the morning news, and learning that 15,000 people from an island in the Atlantic Ocean suddenly showed up at the border between Mexico and Texas--almost literally overnight. That in itself is suspicious, even without all the rest of it--including the optics of the border patrol agents on horseback rounding up people, and whipping them with long reins. Most of us came to the conclusion that something hinkey has been going on here without ever visiting social media.

[alphafemale]

27. Most of them had been in South America for years. nt

I learned that shortly after reading about it.

[GoCubsGo]

28. Yeah, I didn't know that at first, either.

But, just the fact that this situation materialized in only a day or two was enough to make me scratch my head. The more I learned, this fishier it sounded.

[numbersABC]

14. ummmm...no

Any declaration followed by the arrogant direction to 'discuss' henceforth will be dismissed and ignored

[KS Toronado]

16. Well good morning numbers & letters...

See you got in your first post, Welcome to D. U. !

[Mister Ed]

22. Thank you.

I'm always rankled by a post that ends in a curt command to "discuss", but I've so far never responded.

I've seen OP's in that format much more often than I'd like to on DU. I'm not sure where the format originated. I've wondered if it's something that posters picked up from classroom assignments in their college years.

[marble falls]

25. You think too hard about this. It's joke and a bit of dare, it may be tired ...

... but it is Brooklynite.

You could always ignore it.

[Mister Ed]

29. Well now, don't be too sure you know what I think...

...or even whether I do.



And yes, ignoring it is what I've always done. For years now.

To me, it feels rude, high-handed, and condescending - but I've always ignored it.

[marble falls]

30. My abject apologies.

[KS Toronado]

15. One thing I haven't heard from our border agents.....

Is Haitians telling them "Jason Miller promised me a job & a free bus ride up here", if this was true
surely word of this would have gotten out.

[Dorian Gray]

17. Everyone is susceptible

to online propaganda and conspiracy theories that affirm their biases.

[alfredo]

18. The difference is between who will fact check and who will not

[Dorian Gray]

20. RIght

We should investigate and not jump to conclusions. In another post I said my bias is that something strange happened on the border. I have a feeling that something strange happened because it makes no sense. But having said that I don't have facts or proof that Jason Miller or the GOP had anything to do with it.

[Skittles]

26. I'll go with that

I know something is not right which is why it really needs to be investigated. I feel very bad for those people going through such an ordeal but to end up a the same place at the Texas border - um, WTF