Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:48 AM

kentuck (108,791 posts)

Will the four subpoenaed witnesses "take the 5th"?

Or will they claim "executive privilege"?

Or will they answer the Committee's questions?

Or will they challenge the Committee's authority and not even show up?

It's a good bet that the Committee has plenty of questions to ask each of these conspirators. Taking the "5th" will not stop them from asking their questions. It only stops the witness from having to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate him. The same portrait can be painted with or without the witness answering the questions. The viewer will infer what they wish from the questions.

I think we may be getting close to Merrick Garland time?

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Will the four subpoenaed witnesses "take the 5th"? (Original post)	kentuck	Sep 2021	OP
Who are they	gojoe12	Sep 2021	#1
This message was self-deleted by its author	kentuck	Sep 2021	#2
They would be these guys...	Ohioboy	Sep 2021	#6
These are the four people who have been subpoenaed by the Jan 6 commission	Escurumbele	Sep 2021	#7
Or will they even show up?	ananda	Sep 2021	#3
That is the first question to be answered	Sherman A1	Sep 2021	#8
Nope, not going to show up	blueinredohio	Sep 2021	#58
Also my thinking. They need to put teeth in these subpoenas.	ananda	Sep 2021	#62
Joe Biden is president,	gab13by13	Sep 2021	#4
Trump can also claim executive privilege	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#17
So long as it isn't related to the investigation...?	kentuck	Sep 2021	#26
I agree	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#28
They will all say "make me"!	ashredux	Sep 2021	#5
Mark Meadows will show up and answer questions	KS Toronado	Sep 2021	#9
Echoes of Alexander Butterfield!	RVN VET71	Sep 2021	#12
That would be interesting since he has the strongest claim of the four for executive privilege	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#60
Hasn't Steve Bannon already testified several times?	FakeNoose	Sep 2021	#66
👍	Joinfortmill	Sep 2021	#68
The cowards will not show	BlueJac	Sep 2021	#10
Democrats are like the Colonial soldiers against the Americans in the Revolutionary war.	johnthewoodworker	Sep 2021	#11
Even one year ago I would have berated your use of "Republican/Nazi"	RVN VET71	Sep 2021	#13
Exactly which "antiquated laws" are Dems fighting with, which ones do you think should they ignore	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#27
If Ds are serious and they don't show up or claim executive privileges	Tadpole Raisin	Sep 2021	#14
If they don't show up, there's no need for the Sergeant-at-Arms to get involved	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#19
Thanks. Though rarely done I thought the Sergeant At Arms could arrest and detain people who	Tadpole Raisin	Sep 2021	#29
Trying to use the Sergeant-at-Arms to arrest people is very complicated and probably won't ever work	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#48
We still hear some Congressmen talking about "inherent contempt"...	kentuck	Sep 2021	#49
Yes. It's a lot of blustering that doesn't mean anything.	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#51
When does Merrick Garland enter the game?	kentuck	Sep 2021	#15
If they defy the subpoena and don't have valid grounds (executive privilege or 5th Amendment)	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#20
Thanks for that info.	kentuck	Sep 2021	#22
Bannon will be taking a fifth of vodka	Aviation Pro	Sep 2021	#16
"If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"	keithbvadu2	Sep 2021	#18
They can't invoke executive privilege	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#21
So, it appears their options are either to testify or to take the Fifth.	kentuck	Sep 2021	#23
This isn't a criminal matter so Trump being charged isn't an issue	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#24
I would hope that would be the case.	kentuck	Sep 2021	#30
The courts have proven to be pretty fair in these cases	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#33
That's my fear; that this will end up in court and take a year or two to process.	Midnight Writer	Sep 2021	#32
I don't think it will take anywhere near that long	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#34
A lot of us are skeptical of the justice system's ability to move quickly.	kentuck	Sep 2021	#37
I understand. But in reality, the courts have moved very quickly and fairly in most of these cases	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#39
The Don McGahn case left a bad taste in our mouths...	kentuck	Sep 2021	#41
That was one case and yes, things are very different now	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#43
'C'	lark	Sep 2021	#25
Is that when it is referred to the DOJ...	kentuck	Sep 2021	#31
I hope so and I hope it's done behind some vertical bars.	lark	Sep 2021	#35
Merrick Garland probably won't be publicly involved in this at all	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#36
But wouldn't Garland have to give his approval.. ?	kentuck	Sep 2021	#38
Not necessarily	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#40
This seems like it would be a very high profile and "politically prickly" case...?	kentuck	Sep 2021	#42
That's why I said that it's possible that the US attorney would seek Garland's approval	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#44
Is there an instance where you could see him getting publicly involved?	kentuck	Sep 2021	#45
I don't see him ever getting publicly involved in a contempt of Congress prosecution	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#50
What if they subpoenaed Donald Trump?	kentuck	Sep 2021	#55
If he refused without exerting a privilege, yes, that would be a big deal	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#59
I say a little rendition trip to a black site in the mideast and a little waterboarding	Hotler	Sep 2021	#46
They won't show up	Bettie	Sep 2021	#47
They may do that to test the resolve of the Committee.	kentuck	Sep 2021	#52
Is the committee issues a contempt of Congress citation, the U.S. Attorney will no doubt enforce	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#53
I'll believe it when I see it	Bettie	Sep 2021	#54
I think you are an example of how much many people have lost faith in our Justice System.	kentuck	Sep 2021	#56
In my opinion, our justice system and our government only works	Bettie	Sep 2021	#57
Recommended.	H2O Man	Sep 2021	#61
If they show up...	kentuck	Sep 2021	#64
The 1/6 Committee has the Trumpers over a barrel	meow2u3	Sep 2021	#63
You broke it down like a lawyer	StarfishSaver	Sep 2021	#65
👍	Joinfortmill	Sep 2021	#67

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:56 AM

gojoe12 (92 posts)

1. Who are they

and what are you talking about?

Will the four subpoenaed witnesses "take the 5th"?

1. Who are they

6. They would be these guys...

7. These are the four people who have been subpoenaed by the Jan 6 commission

3. Or will they even show up?

8. That is the first question to be answered

58. Nope, not going to show up

62. Also my thinking. They need to put teeth in these subpoenas.

4. Joe Biden is president,

17. Trump can also claim executive privilege

26. So long as it isn't related to the investigation...?

28. I agree

5. They will all say "make me"!

9. Mark Meadows will show up and answer questions

12. Echoes of Alexander Butterfield!

60. That would be interesting since he has the strongest claim of the four for executive privilege

66. Hasn't Steve Bannon already testified several times?

68. 👍

10. The cowards will not show

11. Democrats are like the Colonial soldiers against the Americans in the Revolutionary war.

13. Even one year ago I would have berated your use of "Republican/Nazi"

27. Exactly which "antiquated laws" are Dems fighting with, which ones do you think should they ignore

14. If Ds are serious and they don't show up or claim executive privileges

19. If they don't show up, there's no need for the Sergeant-at-Arms to get involved

29. Thanks. Though rarely done I thought the Sergeant At Arms could arrest and detain people who

48. Trying to use the Sergeant-at-Arms to arrest people is very complicated and probably won't ever work

49. We still hear some Congressmen talking about "inherent contempt"...

51. Yes. It's a lot of blustering that doesn't mean anything.

15. When does Merrick Garland enter the game?

20. If they defy the subpoena and don't have valid grounds (executive privilege or 5th Amendment)

22. Thanks for that info.

16. Bannon will be taking a fifth of vodka

18. "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

21. They can't invoke executive privilege

23. So, it appears their options are either to testify or to take the Fifth.

24. This isn't a criminal matter so Trump being charged isn't an issue

30. I would hope that would be the case.

33. The courts have proven to be pretty fair in these cases

32. That's my fear; that this will end up in court and take a year or two to process.

34. I don't think it will take anywhere near that long

37. A lot of us are skeptical of the justice system's ability to move quickly.

39. I understand. But in reality, the courts have moved very quickly and fairly in most of these cases

41. The Don McGahn case left a bad taste in our mouths...

43. That was one case and yes, things are very different now

25. 'C'

31. Is that when it is referred to the DOJ...

35. I hope so and I hope it's done behind some vertical bars.

36. Merrick Garland probably won't be publicly involved in this at all

38. But wouldn't Garland have to give his approval.. ?

40. Not necessarily

42. This seems like it would be a very high profile and "politically prickly" case...?

44. That's why I said that it's possible that the US attorney would seek Garland's approval

45. Is there an instance where you could see him getting publicly involved?

50. I don't see him ever getting publicly involved in a contempt of Congress prosecution

55. What if they subpoenaed Donald Trump?

59. If he refused without exerting a privilege, yes, that would be a big deal

46. I say a little rendition trip to a black site in the mideast and a little waterboarding

47. They won't show up

52. They may do that to test the resolve of the Committee.

53. Is the committee issues a contempt of Congress citation, the U.S. Attorney will no doubt enforce

54. I'll believe it when I see it

56. I think you are an example of how much many people have lost faith in our Justice System.

57. In my opinion, our justice system and our government only works

61. Recommended.

64. If they show up...

63. The 1/6 Committee has the Trumpers over a barrel

65. You broke it down like a lawyer

67. 👍