Texas refuses driver's license to female attorney because she didn't provide marriage license

[FelineOverlord]

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[marybourg]

1. She knows where the courthouse is.

[Beaverhausen]

71. Why the hell should she have to show her marriage license?

[marybourg]

72. Possibly RealID. Possibly poor training of a clerical person.

Don’t know, but she, if anyone, has the tools to clear it up, for her and others. That’s what lawyers do.

[FelineOverlord]

2. Texas refuses driver's license to female attorney because she didn't provide marriage license

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[SharonAnn]

70. It may have been because she had nothing to prove her current address. Only her husband's address.

So they wanted marriage certificate which would imply that she was living at his address. His proof of address doesn't work to prove her address.

[pwb]

3. What would she need to take a road test there?

This attorney would never take care of my affairs.

[NutmegYankee]

5. She didn't change her name.

Why is a marriage license needed? How does that have an effect on her ability to drive? Her name is the same as her birth certificate. This is just misogyny.

[pwb]

12. Her proof of residency was in her husbands name.

The names didn't match. She needs something mailed to her residence in her name. A lawyer should know that I would think. This is a tweet so it may not even be real.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. The names did match. He took her name.

[DiamondShark]

74. Do they have the same first name though?

If I tried to use my brothers address, we have the same last name, they would not accept it as proof of residence for a RealID.

Sounds like she should have had one of the bills in her name to provide proof of residency.

[obamanut2012]

64. The names did match

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. They do have the same last name.

[CurtEastPoint]

6. pls explain your question and your comment

[dflprincess]

10. A marriage license shouldn't be required unless it's used

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to show why the name on the birth certificate doesn't match the current name. In this case, it's the husband who should need to show it as he changed his name.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

23. It says right in the OP that the husband did change his name to hers. They have the same last name.

[Sympthsical]

28. Wow, I so misread that. I need to delete a lot.

Yikes, Sympth. My brain kept reading "Did not change" and I read the tweets multiple times.

[FelineOverlord]

24. Yes he did.

He took HER name. She kept hers.

[Sympthsical]

34. Got it. But the proof is still not in her name

I was very wrong on that detail, so sorry about that one.

But they're still not in her name.

So my first question, now that I'm working with the corrected info, is if they require proof of marriage commonly in these things?

I've never used anything but documents with my own name on them, so I'm genuinely asking. Is it common for people to use a spouse's bills as proof of address at a DMV?

[HAB911]

4. ACLU of Texas, Phone

[phone]

[fescuerescue]

7. Curious why the DMV would even know her marital status

And what would it matter.

An attorney should know better than offering up extra information to a state agent.

[Hekate]

9. Because Talibaptist. Just wait until she wants a contraception refill from her doctor.

[fescuerescue]

41. Turns out this is a real id issue

Because she is using her husbands information to prove her address.

It's a pretty big detail to leave out frankly.

[Hekate]

44. Ahhhh. Thank you.

[LeftInTX]

59. ugh...another reminder of how everything is such a pain

I got my real id last year....

Fortunately, it wasn't a big deal, but yeah...ugh...

[cinematicdiversions]

8. Are we sure this isn't a real I'd kerfuffle rather

Than a DMV issue?

[StarfishSaver]

11. I think this is a Real ID ssue

[LanternWaste]

31. This is how you're playing it, eh?

'natch.

[cinematicdiversions]

37. Well I had to bring in Baptismal papers from a Derry hospital to my DWV

When I went though the Real ID thingie so I am not surprised they required a marriage certificate. (In fact, I am pretty sure I had to bring in that as well.



I am just saying this seems like a normal Real ID DMV issue and not a Texas only thing.

[shrike3]

14. I live in a red state and kept my name after marrying.

Never had these kind of troubles. State's not as backward as I thought, apparently.

[TreasonousBastard]

19. I would not be in tbe least surprised if the klutz behind the window...

screwed it all up. With perhaps a little help from the applicant.

Since marriage licenses are needed to prove identity when there is a name change, clerk may have thought they are required for all marriages. Or it was just usual DMV miscommunication.

[TreasonousBastard]

26. Oh, is that all... Missed it if it was mentioned in all the verbiage.

[Sympthsical]

29. I'm wrong.

My brain did not read things correctly.

[LeftInTX]

60. It's for that federal law where we need all this stuff, so we can fly on planes -Real ID

A bush era thing......

[csziggy]

65. When I got my Real ID the klutz behind the window didn't like my SS ID card

It was the only one I ever had, issued in the 1950s when I was a kid. I still have the larger card it was torn off, with a second copy still attached to that card. The 20 something clerk "had never seen a SS card like it" and would not believe it was real. Her supervisor had to come over and point out to her that my card was on the page they have posted next to the window that showed every variation of SS cards ever issued.

In my mind I was called her much worse names than "klutz."

On the other hand, they may have wanted the marriage license to prove that she had a relationship to the person whose bills she had brought in as proof of residency.

[dixiechiken1]

25. Huh. I never changed my name when I got married...

And I didn't need to produce a marriage certificate this year (or any other year) when I went to get Real ID driver's license. Don't know for sure but I'm assuming they're asking for marriage cert because the two bills she produced were in her husband's name.

I make sure our mortgage, homeowner's insurance & bank accounts have both names on them - mine and my husband's. I also make sure to put at least one utility bill in each of our names. I do this because the DMV has required this kind of proof of ID as far back as I can remember. I'm surprised an attorney isn't aware of this.

[FelineOverlord]

32. He took HER name

The husband took HER name, so I am not sure they are two different names on her proof of residence.

[dixiechiken1]

33. Unless he took her first name also, the names are different.

Proof of residence is required to be In your name.

[Sympthsical]

36. Same

Bought a house with my partner. Major stuff like the mortgage and insurance has both our names. But utilities are divided up between us. So I get internet and water. He gets PG&E. There are some other bits and bats like that.

And it's precisely for stuff like this.

[LAS14]

27. I wish you would edit your OP to include info from the thread that she had no proof of her own ....

.... residence. Too many are just jumping in and endorsing our own left leaning distortions. We're better than that.

[Sympthsical]

35. Genuine question

Do DMVs commonly accept bills in the spouse's name as proof of residence? People seem to think they do. I've always had my own name on things, so I have no idea.

[LAS14]

48. Dunno. Probably varies from state to state. nt

[fescuerescue]

40. That's a pretty important detail

That completely changes the story and undermines someones narrative.

[mbusby]

30. We moved...

...from Texas to Colorado. We went round and round a few times to finally get the Colorado DMV to give us a drivers license. Quite similar to the above.

[FelineOverlord]

38. 🤔 now a discussion has begun on Real ID

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[fescuerescue]

39. ok That's whats going on. real Id bullshit

[Takket]

42. whoever turned her away screwed up.....

for real ID you are supposed to establish your name change history. my wife had to have a marriage certificate because her name changed. I did not because my name stayed the same.

[MineralMan]

43. Marriage license. Have one.

If they ask for a bill in your name, have one. My wife and I (she never changed her name) split up the utility bills, so there's always one lying around with either name on it. Most bills don't come in the mail, but we leave a few as mailed bills for that reason.

Marriage licenses are rarely needed, but when they are, they are, so everyone should have theirs. We ordered a replacement of ours when we were shopping for a new house, just in case. It's in the lock box with other important papers. We did need it, too, for the house, since it had to do with the way ownership is listed in the records. We are shown as a married couple, instead of two single people. So, you just pull out the marriage license and you're done.

This is probably a Real ID issue. My wife has her MN DL as Real ID. I do not, since I could renew it online during the COVID-19 pandemic, so I did. Long wait for the upgrade to Real ID. We just changed addresses on our licenses. My wife had to show bills. I did not. Real ID. She also used her Voter Registration card as proof of residence.

I didn't have to show squat, because my license is still the old standard DL, so that's how I know it's a Real ID issue.

Changing one's name because of marriage makes no sense anyhow. You have to change SS info, passport info, Driver's License info. All of them are a hassle. Just keep your birth name and you don't have to do any of that nonsense. I don't get it, anyhow. My wife's name is my wife's name. She's had the same one since she was born. Why on Earth would she change it?

[marie999]

46. My husband and I didn't get Real ID also because of the pandemic.

So much easier getting a license on the internet.

[hunter]

62. My wife's got the Real ID.

I don't.

Blame the pandemic.

I'll be sure to get to the airport early enough to be a nuisance next time I fly.

[marie999]

63. Luckily for us we have DoD IDs.

[NH Ethylene]

51. Changing your name is probably an artifact of the days

when women left their homes and their own families, and became a part of their new husband's family. Taking the husband's family name makes sense in that context.

[MineralMan]

53. It's an artifact of something, for sure.

I think it's an artifact of a patriarchal society that treats women as property of some kind. To me it says, "OK, I'm getting married, so I have to give up my identity and tie my identity to my husband's."

It's an artifact of a society that used barred women from voting, owning property, having bank accounts, getting loans and more just 100 years ago.

It's archaic and smacks of extreme inequality based on sex and gender.

I never liked it.

[LeftInTX]

61. Ugh...Now I wish, I had not gone through the hassle of Real ID

Did not think of, "What if I move?" etc etc etc etc...

What a pain

[dflprincess]

68. Years ago I took my late mother to get a state ID card

She had to have her marriage license with her to show why her current name didn't match her birth certificate.

The very young clerk was confused by her birth certificate it was a typed(!) copy that she had had in her possession for at least 50 years. Fortunately, another clerk was not phased by that & told him that's what older ones look like & the county seal was on it, so it was good.

Then the marriage license threw him. Why? Because, as he told the other clerk, "It doesn't say what name she will be using." The other clerk looked at it and said "It was issued in 1946, there was no question about what name she'd use."

She did get her ID, but they couldn't take her check because she didn't have an ID (there's a real catch 22). Luckily they took my check with my ID.


I'm with you, I don't understand why anyone changes their name.

[MineralMan]

76. Bureaucracies...Feh!

[orleans]

45. sounds like it's about proof of residency. bringing bills in husband's name proves one thing:

her husband lives in texas.

[AverageOldGuy]

47. "Forget it, Jake . . . .

. . . it's Texas."

[NH Ethylene]

49. She proved that someone else with the same last name as hers lived at that address.

A marriage certificate would prove that person is her husband, thus establish that she also lives there.

So not a big deal, imo.

[MissMillie]

50. But she can buy a gun anywhere--no questions asked (n/t)

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[PTWB]

67. Have you ever purchased a gun? There are always a lot of questions asked.

An entire form to fill out, in fact. Lying on that form is a felony.

[H2Oart]

52. Women of Texas

What will it take for the women of Texas to get these sexist, racist dirtbag republicans out of office for good.....you see what they are doing....they are taking you back to the 1910's-20, when you had no say in anything. 6 week abortion ban, marriage licence for drivers licence, when ANYONE ELSE can get one with a valid passport and 1 proof of residency......

STOP THIS TAKEOVER....and you know, you can do it.

[Tadpole Raisin]

54. Welcome to Texas where we live in the 18th century. So you're a woman and

Shouldn’t be driving a car anyway - you must be subservient to our manly rules.

Why do people live down there with such backward thinking? Is it taxes? Cuz it sure isn’t consumer or human rights. They have strange laws but no masks? That’s ok.

http://www.ahajokes.com/laws043.html

[wryter2000]

55. Next

They won't allow women to drive.

[rdking647]

56. not that unusual

when me moved into our new house i made sure to have at least one utility bill put in my wifes name just in case.

[spooky3]

57. They don't want women to vote. Without women, Biden

would have lost. And if they can’t get a drivers license to use as ID, they can’t vote.

[IronLionZion]

58. They know this would impact liberal women

and they're trying to keep Texas red as liberals move there from blue states.

[PTWB]

66. This is a non issue.

She’s using her husbands mail to prove SHE is a resident. A marriage license showing that her husband is her husband seems like a perfectly reasonable requirement.

If she was using her own mail to prove her residency, she would not be required to show a marriage license.

People… think!

[obnoxiousdrunk]

69. Yes

Non issue indeed.

[Karma13612]

75. EXACTLY!

[NotASurfer]

73. Did her husband have to provide a copy of their marriage certificate to document the name change?

Not enough information to tell if this is Texas gender discrimination, but if he got a license without the marriage cert, it would tend to confirm

My experience in TX, they glanced at my DL from another state and waved me through. My wife, it took three trips back with more documents requested. She said it felt like they were establishing that I had clear chain of custody on her