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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:52 PM

Texas refuses driver's license to female attorney because she didn't provide marriage license





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Reply Texas refuses driver's license to female attorney because she didn't provide marriage license (Original post)
FelineOverlord Sep 2021 OP
marybourg Sep 2021 #1
Beaverhausen Sep 2021 #71
marybourg Sep 2021 #72
FelineOverlord Sep 2021 #2
SharonAnn Sep 2021 #70
pwb Sep 2021 #3
NutmegYankee Sep 2021 #5
pwb Sep 2021 #12
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #15
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #20
DiamondShark Sep 2021 #74
obamanut2012 Sep 2021 #64
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #17
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dflprincess Sep 2021 #10
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #18
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #23
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #28
FelineOverlord Sep 2021 #24
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #34
HAB911 Sep 2021 #4
fescuerescue Sep 2021 #7
Hekate Sep 2021 #9
fescuerescue Sep 2021 #41
Hekate Sep 2021 #44
LeftInTX Sep 2021 #59
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #16
cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #8
StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #11
LanternWaste Sep 2021 #31
cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #37
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #13
shrike3 Sep 2021 #14
TreasonousBastard Sep 2021 #19
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #22
TreasonousBastard Sep 2021 #26
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #29
LeftInTX Sep 2021 #60
csziggy Sep 2021 #65
dixiechiken1 Sep 2021 #25
FelineOverlord Sep 2021 #32
dixiechiken1 Sep 2021 #33
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #36
LAS14 Sep 2021 #27
Sympthsical Sep 2021 #35
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fescuerescue Sep 2021 #40
mbusby Sep 2021 #30
FelineOverlord Sep 2021 #38
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MineralMan Sep 2021 #43
marie999 Sep 2021 #46
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NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #51
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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:57 PM

1. She knows where the courthouse is.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:48 PM

71. Why the hell should she have to show her marriage license?

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #71)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:05 PM

72. Possibly RealID. Possibly poor training of a clerical person.

Donít know, but she, if anyone, has the tools to clear it up, for her and others. Thatís what lawyers do.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:57 PM

2. Texas refuses driver's license to female attorney because she didn't provide marriage license

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Response to FelineOverlord (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:26 PM

70. It may have been because she had nothing to prove her current address. Only her husband's address.

So they wanted marriage certificate which would imply that she was living at his address. His proof of address doesn't work to prove her address.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:01 PM

3. What would she need to take a road test there?

This attorney would never take care of my affairs.

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Response to pwb (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:10 PM

5. She didn't change her name.

Why is a marriage license needed? How does that have an effect on her ability to drive? Her name is the same as her birth certificate. This is just misogyny.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:19 PM

12. Her proof of residency was in her husbands name.

The names didn't match. She needs something mailed to her residence in her name. A lawyer should know that I would think. This is a tweet so it may not even be real.

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Response to pwb (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:35 PM

20. The names did match. He took her name.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 03:47 AM

74. Do they have the same first name though?

If I tried to use my brothers address, we have the same last name, they would not accept it as proof of residence for a RealID.

Sounds like she should have had one of the bills in her name to provide proof of residency.

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Response to pwb (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:11 PM

64. The names did match

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #17)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:35 PM

21. They do have the same last name.

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Response to pwb (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:10 PM

6. pls explain your question and your comment

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Response to pwb (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:15 PM

10. A marriage license shouldn't be required unless it's used

Last edited Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:01 PM - Edit history (1)

to show why the name on the birth certificate doesn't match the current name. In this case, it's the husband who should need to show it as he changed his name.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:37 PM

23. It says right in the OP that the husband did change his name to hers. They have the same last name.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #23)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:39 PM

28. Wow, I so misread that. I need to delete a lot.

Yikes, Sympth. My brain kept reading "Did not change" and I read the tweets multiple times.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:37 PM

24. Yes he did.

He took HER name. She kept hers.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Reply #24)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:48 PM

34. Got it. But the proof is still not in her name

I was very wrong on that detail, so sorry about that one.

But they're still not in her name.

So my first question, now that I'm working with the corrected info, is if they require proof of marriage commonly in these things?

I've never used anything but documents with my own name on them, so I'm genuinely asking. Is it common for people to use a spouse's bills as proof of address at a DMV?

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:09 PM

4. ACLU of Texas, Phone

(713) 942-8146

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:12 PM

7. Curious why the DMV would even know her marital status

And what would it matter.

An attorney should know better than offering up extra information to a state agent.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:15 PM

9. Because Talibaptist. Just wait until she wants a contraception refill from her doctor.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:32 PM

41. Turns out this is a real id issue

Because she is using her husbands information to prove her address.

It's a pretty big detail to leave out frankly.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #41)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:46 PM

44. Ahhhh. Thank you.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #41)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 04:46 PM

59. ugh...another reminder of how everything is such a pain

I got my real id last year....

Fortunately, it wasn't a big deal, but yeah...ugh...

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:14 PM

8. Are we sure this isn't a real I'd kerfuffle rather

 

Than a DMV issue?

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:19 PM

11. I think this is a Real ID ssue

 

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:43 PM

31. This is how you're playing it, eh?

 

'natch.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #31)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:52 PM

37. Well I had to bring in Baptismal papers from a Derry hospital to my DWV

 

When I went though the Real ID thingie so I am not surprised they required a marriage certificate. (In fact, I am pretty sure I had to bring in that as well.



I am just saying this seems like a normal Real ID DMV issue and not a Texas only thing.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:22 PM

14. I live in a red state and kept my name after marrying.


Never had these kind of troubles. State's not as backward as I thought, apparently.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:34 PM

19. I would not be in tbe least surprised if the klutz behind the window...

screwed it all up. With perhaps a little help from the applicant.

Since marriage licenses are needed to prove identity when there is a name change, clerk may have thought they are required for all marriages. Or it was just usual DMV miscommunication.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:38 PM

26. Oh, is that all... Missed it if it was mentioned in all the verbiage.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #26)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:40 PM

29. I'm wrong.

My brain did not read things correctly.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 04:49 PM

60. It's for that federal law where we need all this stuff, so we can fly on planes -Real ID

A bush era thing......

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:19 PM

65. When I got my Real ID the klutz behind the window didn't like my SS ID card

It was the only one I ever had, issued in the 1950s when I was a kid. I still have the larger card it was torn off, with a second copy still attached to that card. The 20 something clerk "had never seen a SS card like it" and would not believe it was real. Her supervisor had to come over and point out to her that my card was on the page they have posted next to the window that showed every variation of SS cards ever issued.

In my mind I was called her much worse names than "klutz."

On the other hand, they may have wanted the marriage license to prove that she had a relationship to the person whose bills she had brought in as proof of residency.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:38 PM

25. Huh. I never changed my name when I got married...

And I didn't need to produce a marriage certificate this year (or any other year) when I went to get Real ID driver's license. Don't know for sure but I'm assuming they're asking for marriage cert because the two bills she produced were in her husband's name.

I make sure our mortgage, homeowner's insurance & bank accounts have both names on them - mine and my husband's. I also make sure to put at least one utility bill in each of our names. I do this because the DMV has required this kind of proof of ID as far back as I can remember. I'm surprised an attorney isn't aware of this.

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Response to dixiechiken1 (Reply #25)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:45 PM

32. He took HER name

The husband took HER name, so I am not sure they are two different names on her proof of residence.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Reply #32)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:47 PM

33. Unless he took her first name also, the names are different.

Proof of residence is required to be In your name.

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Response to dixiechiken1 (Reply #25)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:51 PM

36. Same

Bought a house with my partner. Major stuff like the mortgage and insurance has both our names. But utilities are divided up between us. So I get internet and water. He gets PG&E. There are some other bits and bats like that.

And it's precisely for stuff like this.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:39 PM

27. I wish you would edit your OP to include info from the thread that she had no proof of her own ....

.... residence. Too many are just jumping in and endorsing our own left leaning distortions. We're better than that.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #27)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:49 PM

35. Genuine question

Do DMVs commonly accept bills in the spouse's name as proof of residence? People seem to think they do. I've always had my own name on things, so I have no idea.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #35)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:59 PM

48. Dunno. Probably varies from state to state. nt

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #27)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:30 PM

40. That's a pretty important detail

That completely changes the story and undermines someones narrative.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:40 PM

30. We moved...

...from Texas to Colorado. We went round and round a few times to finally get the Colorado DMV to give us a drivers license. Quite similar to the above.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:06 PM

38. 🤔 now a discussion has begun on Real ID

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Response to FelineOverlord (Reply #38)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:28 PM

39. ok That's whats going on. real Id bullshit

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:44 PM

42. whoever turned her away screwed up.....

for real ID you are supposed to establish your name change history. my wife had to have a marriage certificate because her name changed. I did not because my name stayed the same.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:44 PM

43. Marriage license. Have one.

If they ask for a bill in your name, have one. My wife and I (she never changed her name) split up the utility bills, so there's always one lying around with either name on it. Most bills don't come in the mail, but we leave a few as mailed bills for that reason.

Marriage licenses are rarely needed, but when they are, they are, so everyone should have theirs. We ordered a replacement of ours when we were shopping for a new house, just in case. It's in the lock box with other important papers. We did need it, too, for the house, since it had to do with the way ownership is listed in the records. We are shown as a married couple, instead of two single people. So, you just pull out the marriage license and you're done.

This is probably a Real ID issue. My wife has her MN DL as Real ID. I do not, since I could renew it online during the COVID-19 pandemic, so I did. Long wait for the upgrade to Real ID. We just changed addresses on our licenses. My wife had to show bills. I did not. Real ID. She also used her Voter Registration card as proof of residence.

I didn't have to show squat, because my license is still the old standard DL, so that's how I know it's a Real ID issue.

Changing one's name because of marriage makes no sense anyhow. You have to change SS info, passport info, Driver's License info. All of them are a hassle. Just keep your birth name and you don't have to do any of that nonsense. I don't get it, anyhow. My wife's name is my wife's name. She's had the same one since she was born. Why on Earth would she change it?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #43)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:59 PM

46. My husband and I didn't get Real ID also because of the pandemic.

So much easier getting a license on the internet.

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Response to marie999 (Reply #46)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 05:52 PM

62. My wife's got the Real ID.

I don't.

Blame the pandemic.

I'll be sure to get to the airport early enough to be a nuisance next time I fly.

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Response to hunter (Reply #62)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:04 PM

63. Luckily for us we have DoD IDs.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #43)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:07 PM

51. Changing your name is probably an artifact of the days

when women left their homes and their own families, and became a part of their new husband's family. Taking the husband's family name makes sense in that context.

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Response to NH Ethylene (Reply #51)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:10 PM

53. It's an artifact of something, for sure.

I think it's an artifact of a patriarchal society that treats women as property of some kind. To me it says, "OK, I'm getting married, so I have to give up my identity and tie my identity to my husband's."

It's an artifact of a society that used barred women from voting, owning property, having bank accounts, getting loans and more just 100 years ago.

It's archaic and smacks of extreme inequality based on sex and gender.

I never liked it.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #43)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 04:55 PM

61. Ugh...Now I wish, I had not gone through the hassle of Real ID

Did not think of, "What if I move?" etc etc etc etc...

What a pain

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #43)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:09 PM

68. Years ago I took my late mother to get a state ID card

She had to have her marriage license with her to show why her current name didn't match her birth certificate.

The very young clerk was confused by her birth certificate it was a typed(!) copy that she had had in her possession for at least 50 years. Fortunately, another clerk was not phased by that & told him that's what older ones look like & the county seal was on it, so it was good.

Then the marriage license threw him. Why? Because, as he told the other clerk, "It doesn't say what name she will be using." The other clerk looked at it and said "It was issued in 1946, there was no question about what name she'd use."

She did get her ID, but they couldn't take her check because she didn't have an ID (there's a real catch 22). Luckily they took my check with my ID.


I'm with you, I don't understand why anyone changes their name.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #68)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 07:08 AM

76. Bureaucracies...Feh!

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:56 PM

45. sounds like it's about proof of residency. bringing bills in husband's name proves one thing:

her husband lives in texas.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:59 PM

47. "Forget it, Jake . . . .

. . . it's Texas."


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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:00 PM

49. She proved that someone else with the same last name as hers lived at that address.

A marriage certificate would prove that person is her husband, thus establish that she also lives there.

So not a big deal, imo.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:02 PM

50. But she can buy a gun anywhere--no questions asked (n/t)

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #50)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:38 PM

67. Have you ever purchased a gun? There are always a lot of questions asked.

 

An entire form to fill out, in fact. Lying on that form is a felony.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:07 PM

52. Women of Texas

 

What will it take for the women of Texas to get these sexist, racist dirtbag republicans out of office for good.....you see what they are doing....they are taking you back to the 1910's-20, when you had no say in anything. 6 week abortion ban, marriage licence for drivers licence, when ANYONE ELSE can get one with a valid passport and 1 proof of residency......

STOP THIS TAKEOVER....and you know, you can do it.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:12 PM

54. Welcome to Texas where we live in the 18th century. So you're a woman and

Shouldnít be driving a car anyway - you must be subservient to our manly rules.

Why do people live down there with such backward thinking? Is it taxes? Cuz it sure isnít consumer or human rights. They have strange laws but no masks? Thatís ok.

http://www.ahajokes.com/laws043.html

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:16 PM

55. Next

They won't allow women to drive.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:36 PM

56. not that unusual

 

when me moved into our new house i made sure to have at least one utility bill put in my wifes name just in case.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:36 PM

57. They don't want women to vote. Without women, Biden

would have lost. And if they canít get a drivers license to use as ID, they canít vote.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:53 PM

58. They know this would impact liberal women

and they're trying to keep Texas red as liberals move there from blue states.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:33 PM

66. This is a non issue.

 

Sheís using her husbands mail to prove SHE is a resident. A marriage license showing that her husband is her husband seems like a perfectly reasonable requirement.

If she was using her own mail to prove her residency, she would not be required to show a marriage license.

PeopleÖ think!

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Response to PTWB (Reply #66)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:25 PM

69. Yes

Non issue indeed.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #66)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 04:15 AM

75. EXACTLY!

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Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 11:12 PM

73. Did her husband have to provide a copy of their marriage certificate to document the name change?

Not enough information to tell if this is Texas gender discrimination, but if he got a license without the marriage cert, it would tend to confirm

My experience in TX, they glanced at my DL from another state and waved me through. My wife, it took three trips back with more documents requested. She said it felt like they were establishing that I had clear chain of custody on her

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