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Arizona Democratic Party has passed a resolution pledging a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in @KyrstenSinema (Original Post) AZProgressive Sep 2021 OP
Good, the more pressure on her the better, and now is the time to do it. OnDoutside Sep 2021 #1
Yes, Good on the AZ Dem Party! Cha Sep 2021 #49
This is a very powerful thing for a state party to do. dchill Sep 2021 #2
II'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't understand why it is a "very powerful thing to do." Martin68 Sep 2021 #95
when is she due for re ellection? AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #3
2024 ShazzieB Sep 2021 #13
I think she views it qazplm135 Sep 2021 #4
Except at some point, you have to have people vote for you. W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #8
Republicans will vote for her SmittyWerben Sep 2021 #11
No, they won't mcar Sep 2021 #14
in a primary with no real impacts onn their side..... getagrip_already Sep 2021 #18
AZ allows only unaffiliated voters to participate in any party primary they choose, and does not Celerity Sep 2021 #52
No, it's a semi-closed primary state wackadoo wabbit Sep 2021 #55
Was it Harry Truman who said... wryter2000 Sep 2021 #27
That's basically it mcar Sep 2021 #34
Yeah, no. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #16
Especially not one who voted to impeach their god emperor. temporary311 Sep 2021 #47
Hell No. Rethugs will NEVER vote for a Dem. Those days are long gone. Tommymac Sep 2021 #19
LOL, no they won't. W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #23
You've never been to Arizona, have you wackadoo wabbit Sep 2021 #51
she clearly thinks qazplm135 Sep 2021 #29
The reverse is also true FBaggins Sep 2021 #61
So then the party should give up on quakerboy Sep 2021 #75
Except odds are that, come next year, her lone vote won't matter. W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #97
That's unlikely to occur FBaggins Sep 2021 #98
You get two more Democratic Senators in there... W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #99
Unlikely FBaggins Sep 2021 #100
Unless she plans to leave public office and grift in her private life... W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #101
I'm sure she'll love it, cause she's all maverick-y ... thinks she's McCain 2.0 Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #5
I have confidence that she only thinks of herself. DINO. NewHendoLib Sep 2021 #6
she might just go independent to avoid committing to democratic party values nt msongs Sep 2021 #7
Mavricky Independent Sinema here we come. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #9
Good luck to her with that. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #26
I lean to the she's not going to run again and is going to take a multi-million $$$ job PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #35
Whoa PatSeg Sep 2021 #10
Will she pull a Lieberman? jalan48 Sep 2021 #12
My question. nt Hortensis Sep 2021 #73
She is not popular enough to do that...in retrospect primaring Lieberman was a mistake. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #78
Well Well Well. LiberalFighter Sep 2021 #15
Her approval ratings are tanking big-time. GoCubsGo Sep 2021 #17
I'm thinking she might have a giant ego problem. LiberalFighter Sep 2021 #50
That's why she dresses like she does. calimary Sep 2021 #96
This AZ voting Dem is done with her. Nt LittleGirl Sep 2021 #80
Such a maverick IronLionZion Sep 2021 #20
Funny.... SergeStorms Sep 2021 #46
At least she now knows what she must do to maintain Democratic support. brush Sep 2021 #21
Tbh, she's going to be primaried anyway wackadoo wabbit Sep 2021 #60
I won't jzola Sep 2021 #62
It's a brilliant move. It puts tremenodous pressure on her and helps the Biden agenda. brush Sep 2021 #67
Win the battle and lose the war Locutusofborg Sep 2021 #22
She could still caucus with the Democrats even as an indedependent, like Sen. Sanders does. femmedem Sep 2021 #33
VS nothing gets passed anyway quakerboy Sep 2021 #76
Well done wryter2000 Sep 2021 #24
Honestly - The 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill polls better in WV than in AZ Salviati Sep 2021 #57
She can dweller Sep 2021 #25
Not found of Manchin pamdb Sep 2021 #28
Yep relayerbob Sep 2021 #32
Good. As an Arizonan running for office, I support Democrats that vote Democratic AZLD4Candidate Sep 2021 #30
Three years from now. Locutusofborg Sep 2021 #39
We have recall here. I don't know if it applies to people elected to Federal office. AZLD4Candidate Sep 2021 #40
I actually looked into that, and it appears that no, we probably can't recall her wackadoo wabbit Sep 2021 #58
Unfortunately, It Does Not GB_RN Sep 2021 #70
Finally read her bio last night relayerbob Sep 2021 #31
They (GOP) is good a wooing people who will run as a Dem but vote as a GOPer. joetheman Sep 2021 #54
This. People who imagine newcomers and outsiders must be Hortensis Sep 2021 #74
Sinema is establishment. Check her record. (Political career) She's in Jeff Flake's old seat LeftInTX Sep 2021 #85
I have checked her record, LeftInTx. It's been ideologically erratic, Hortensis Sep 2021 #86
By "record", I meant her political career. Bad choice of word on my part. LeftInTX Sep 2021 #87
:) I guess her career is an indication that time in government Hortensis Sep 2021 #90
Good. Do we have a Dem who can primary her and beat a Republican in Az? Pepsidog Sep 2021 #36
Our bench here is deep. AZLD4Candidate Sep 2021 #41
Good to hear. She's gotta go. Pepsidog Sep 2021 #45
Good news. She is no Dem. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #37
Following the steps of many Republican state parties who censored their question everything Sep 2021 #38
Well said. Locutusofborg Sep 2021 #42
I'm no expert in AZ politics BootinUp Sep 2021 #43
Excellent first step; step two will be to outline additional consequences if she obstructs further. Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #44
Does Arizona have sore loser laws? temporary311 Sep 2021 #48
yes, she cannot run again in the general if she loses the primary Celerity Sep 2021 #56
Maybe she'll come to jebus. This not the sort of thing that happens very often. marble falls Sep 2021 #53
Does that mean we're allowed to criticize her on this site? (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2021 #59
She's criticized here all day every day. Iggo Sep 2021 #63
You can unless someone views it as a right wing talking point, in which case you can't. Steelrolled Sep 2021 #64
Senator curtsey Fullduplexxx Sep 2021 #65
I have to say that she does need to rethink her resistance as she was elected as a Democrat cstanleytech Sep 2021 #66
Arizona Democratic Party has passed a resolution pledging a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in @KyrstenSine Zauber Sep 2021 #68
This is very good news. As others on this thread are saying, PatrickforB Sep 2021 #69
K&R UTUSN Sep 2021 #71
Folks on Twitter say she's already given up on reelection and is prepping to do lobbying. SunSeeker Sep 2021 #72
Sad! She is destroying the Democratic party and its effort to do the right things. UCmeNdc Sep 2021 #77
Democrats need to realize their resemblance to passengers on Flight 93 Trueblue Texan Sep 2021 #79
Good analogy. It is high time for Dems to be heroes right now. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #92
She is only there for the money, anyway. flying_wahini Sep 2021 #81
FINALLY. Nay Sep 2021 #82
Awesome - cilla4progress Sep 2021 #83
SHE WILL SWITCH PARTIES Schmice3 Sep 2021 #84
Well old evil Mitch has shown us how to lock up their agenda like they did ours. nt Trueblue Texan Sep 2021 #94
I heard she took in a massive amount of money from the pharmaceutical comapbiex kimbutgar Sep 2021 #89
She clearly loves attention. LisaM Sep 2021 #91
They need to figure out a way to keep her away from lobbyists and their cash Mr. Sparkle Sep 2021 #93

Martin68

(23,473 posts)
95. II'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't understand why it is a "very powerful thing to do."
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 05:14 PM
Sep 2021

What are the consequences for the senator?

W_HAMILTON

(7,928 posts)
8. Except at some point, you have to have people vote for you.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:26 PM
Sep 2021

Unless her exit ramp to grifterville is, as some have suggested, to not even run for reelection.

SmittyWerben

(823 posts)
11. Republicans will vote for her
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:30 PM
Sep 2021

if she helps thwart Biden's agenda. If she does not step up, she is as good as a rethug.

getagrip_already

(15,375 posts)
18. in a primary with no real impacts onn their side.....
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:41 PM
Sep 2021

They have been known to ratf@#$ us by throwing our primary to a bad candidate. Is this an open primary state?

Celerity

(44,577 posts)
52. AZ allows only unaffiliated voters to participate in any party primary they choose, and does not
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:14 PM
Sep 2021

allow voters who are registered with one party to vote in another party’s primary.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/primary-types.aspx

wackadoo wabbit

(1,167 posts)
55. No, it's a semi-closed primary state
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:17 PM
Sep 2021

That means that if you registered with a party, you can vote in only that party's primary. If you registered as unaffiliated, however, you can vote in any party's primary that you want (but in only one party's primary, not all of them!).

wryter2000

(46,364 posts)
27. Was it Harry Truman who said...
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:49 PM
Sep 2021

When people are given a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, they'll take the real thing all the time.

Or something to that effect.

ShazzieB

(17,012 posts)
16. Yeah, no.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:37 PM
Sep 2021

Sure, they'd be happy to see Biden’s agenda tank. But they're not going to vote for a rogue Democrat when she's running against one of their own.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
19. Hell No. Rethugs will NEVER vote for a Dem. Those days are long gone.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:42 PM
Sep 2021

But you are right about one thing - if she doesn't step up and support progressive (liberal and moderate) Democratic values and Party planks she is worse then a rethug.

W_HAMILTON

(7,928 posts)
23. LOL, no they won't.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:47 PM
Sep 2021

Republicans always vote for Republicans.

If she is counting on winning reelection on the backs of Republican defectors, she is even more oblivious than many thought.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,167 posts)
51. You've never been to Arizona, have you
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:08 PM
Sep 2021

The chances of Arizona Republicans voting for someone with a D behind their name are truly less than zero.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
29. she clearly thinks
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:53 PM
Sep 2021

that she can get enough Dems plus enough independents to win.

I'm not cosigning on that strategy.

FBaggins

(27,008 posts)
61. The reverse is also true
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:01 PM
Sep 2021

She's in office for another three years and change and they want her to vote for them.

Ticking her off could be counterproductive.

quakerboy

(13,949 posts)
75. So then the party should give up on
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 04:58 AM
Sep 2021

her voting for anything important in order to possibly gain her votes on a few symbolic things along the wayside?

Seems that its on the politicians to represent their voters, not on the voters to fall in line with their politicians.

W_HAMILTON

(7,928 posts)
97. Except odds are that, come next year, her lone vote won't matter.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:30 PM
Sep 2021

So her one-woman party (or one-woman, one-man party with Manchin) power trip won't last very long -- and then she (or they) will just be left with lingering resentment from most Democrats and not enough Republican support -- LOL at the idea that Republicans would vote for a Democrat! -- to make up for it.

FBaggins

(27,008 posts)
98. That's unlikely to occur
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:53 PM
Sep 2021

With only 100 Senate seats and at least 60 of them never really being in play (plus only a third of the remaining running in any given cycle) - even a single Senate seat is incredibly important.

W_HAMILTON

(7,928 posts)
99. You get two more Democratic Senators in there...
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:52 PM
Sep 2021

...that run and win on significantly reforming or even abolishing the filibuster, then the Sinema and Manchin show comes to an abrupt end.

FBaggins

(27,008 posts)
100. Unlikely
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:56 PM
Sep 2021

It’s pretty well accepted that two more seats might be enough for a voting rights carve out, but not for ending the filibuster entirely or “packing” the Supreme Court or adding states.

A single senate vote won’t be as precious as it is at 50/50… but it will still be far more important than is worth going out of our way to tick her off.

And we have far more seats to defend in 2024. You could get those two seats in 2022… thumb your nose at her… and regret it two years later.

W_HAMILTON

(7,928 posts)
101. Unless she plans to leave public office and grift in her private life...
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:14 PM
Sep 2021

...no, in a 52-48 Democratic-controlled Senate, Democrats would not need Sinema nearly as much as Sinema would need Democrats and their voters.

And I'd happily thumb my nose at her, just like she seems to be doing to us. She is an anchor on Democrats at the moment and her only benefit is that she is voting with Democrats; if she no longer does that, she serves no useful purpose to Democrats or the Democratic agenda.

And if Democrats were to take back the Senate next year only to lose it in 2024, odds are that the very unpopular Sinema would be one of the reasons why and her seat would be one of the ones most likely to change hands. So, once again, not a problem worth worrying about.

We might need to kiss her ass now -- which is pretty shameful to begin with, given that even the no-morals Republicans that have parted ways with Trump still support most (if not all) of his agenda, yet we have to kiss Sinema's ass to get her to support Democratic policies and appointments? -- but odds are we won't have to for very long and, when that time comes, there should be hell to pay for her part in obstructing our party's agenda.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
5. I'm sure she'll love it, cause she's all maverick-y ... thinks she's McCain 2.0
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:23 PM
Sep 2021

that's her schtick.

This is a badge of honor for her.

ShazzieB

(17,012 posts)
26. Good luck to her with that.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:49 PM
Sep 2021

If she prevents Biden’s agenda from passing, she'll burn all her bridges with Democrats and left-leaning independents. Republicans will vote for whoever's running on the GOP ticket, and so will the right-leaning independents. What does that leave? A handful of disgruntled indies who are like Mikey in the old Life cereal commercials and hate everything? I don't see that as a viable political strategy for her at all.

If she wants a future in politics, she'll have to either vote with the Democrats now or run as a Republican in 2024. If she doesn't plan to run again, she can vote whichever she wants for the rest of her term. That's what worries me.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
35. I lean to the she's not going to run again and is going to take a multi-million $$$ job
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:58 PM
Sep 2021

at some big pharma funded think tank, but others seem to think she has higher political aspirations.

Demsrule86

(69,100 posts)
78. She is not popular enough to do that...in retrospect primaring Lieberman was a mistake.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 06:32 AM
Sep 2021

We didn't get a public option because of it...I have always thought Lieberman was out for revenge on Democrats.

GoCubsGo

(32,155 posts)
17. Her approval ratings are tanking big-time.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:40 PM
Sep 2021

If she doesn't stop acting like a spoiled, attention-hungry brat, she will, no doubt, get primaried. I suspect a lot of AZ Dems are already ready to move on, thanks to her antics.

calimary

(82,027 posts)
96. That's why she dresses like she does.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 06:07 PM
Sep 2021

Looked like she was at a cocktail party while "addressing the Senate" the other day. Long-sleeved black top with a few sparkles in the fabric, and large peek-a-boo openings all down the outside edges of both her long sleeves. Slutty, if you ask me, and wholly inappropriate for commanding the microphone in the United States Senate. Girlfriend, you don't dress like that unless you're looking for something in the "after-hours" department.

SergeStorms

(19,217 posts)
46. Funny....
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:47 PM
Sep 2021

I've never seen "selfish brat" spelled m-a-v-e-r-i-c-k before.

You learn something new everyday.

brush

(54,581 posts)
21. At least she now knows what she must do to maintain Democratic support.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:46 PM
Sep 2021

She's going to have to make a dicision pretty quick as the House will soon pass the reconciliation infrastructure bill and send it to the Senate and she'll have to vote yes or no on it.

If she votes no she's dead as a Democrat and will be primaryed in 2024.

Brilliant move by the AZ Dems. The pressure is on her now as she'll have to quit her republican-like posturing.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,167 posts)
60. Tbh, she's going to be primaried anyway
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:51 PM
Sep 2021

Arizona Democrats are so over her — everyone I know voted for her; and, to a person, no one is planning on voting for her a second time — which is why the state party took this step.

brush

(54,581 posts)
67. It's a brilliant move. It puts tremenodous pressure on her and helps the Biden agenda.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:17 AM
Sep 2021

And the timing just before the infrastructure votes is just perfect. That was planned. Sinema didn't see that coming. She thought she was calling the shots.

Locutusofborg

(527 posts)
22. Win the battle and lose the war
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:47 PM
Sep 2021

Sinema goes independent and the Democrats lose control of the Senate. Nothing at all gets passed.

femmedem

(8,234 posts)
33. She could still caucus with the Democrats even as an indedependent, like Sen. Sanders does.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:57 PM
Sep 2021

I wouldn't guarantee that's what she'd do, though.

wryter2000

(46,364 posts)
24. Well done
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:47 PM
Sep 2021

West Virginia should do the same for Manchin.

Of course, she's obviously ridiculous which he isn't.

Salviati

(6,012 posts)
57. Honestly - The 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill polls better in WV than in AZ
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:22 PM
Sep 2021

In AZ it's actually slightly underwater among republicans (-7) while still being up overall among likely voters (+37)

But in WV it's up even more among likely voters (+43) and polls positively even in republican voters (+22)

So when push comes to shove, while I think both of their stances are ridiculous, I think that Manchin is ignoring the will and best interests of his constituents much more.

https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/voters-in-key-states-support-the-build-back-better-agenda
https://www.filesforprogress.org/memos/bbb-az.pdf
https://www.filesforprogress.org/memos/bbb-wv.pdf

pamdb

(1,337 posts)
28. Not found of Manchin
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:52 PM
Sep 2021

But I think Sinema is a nutcase. Unfortunately, i am afraid that too much pressure will drive eher
to switch parties. She's already switched from the green party to the democratic party. I think
Manchin has enough sense to realize that if he switched parties, no matter what committee assignments the repubs would offer him, in a year he'd be just another republican. But Sinema,,,I don't trust her as far as I could throw her.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,920 posts)
30. Good. As an Arizonan running for office, I support Democrats that vote Democratic
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:56 PM
Sep 2021

Not a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Sinema will face a primary.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,920 posts)
40. We have recall here. I don't know if it applies to people elected to Federal office.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:17 PM
Sep 2021

I doubt we will use it, but it is an options, especially if she decides to Richard Shelby it and switch parties.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,167 posts)
58. I actually looked into that, and it appears that no, we probably can't recall her
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:44 PM
Sep 2021

I'm just pulling this off the top of my head — I looked into this a few months ago — but, as I recall, since it's a federal position, a U.S. Senator cannot be recalled, as federal rules dictate their election and removal, not state rules. Certainly, no Senator has been recalled in the history of this country. There was a Court of Appeals (?) ruling about this a few years back, I believe.

GB_RN

(2,552 posts)
70. Unfortunately, It Does Not
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 01:56 AM
Sep 2021

There are no provisions in the US Constitution for recalling anyone elected to federal office. We'd need a constitutional amendment for that, and we know what the likelihood of that happening is (snowball, meet hellfire). The only ways to get rid of any federal level office holder are to 1) primary that person out, 2) beat them at the main election, 3) they die in office, or 4) they are kicked out by their colleagues for corruption.

#1 and 2 happen, but not often due to the power of incumbency. The incumbent wins 90% of the time, according to the guys at Electoral-Vote.com. The overall attitude people take seems to be that they hate Congress in general, detest the "other party" specifically, but "their guy" is "doing OK". (This assumes that you're in the same party as the incumbent, of course.)
#3, I don't know what the stats are on.
#4 is extremely rare. Not many congress critters have ever been kicked out.

relayerbob

(6,590 posts)
31. Finally read her bio last night
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:56 PM
Sep 2021

All I can say is wow, since we are not supposed to bash other Democrats. I'm not really sure she *is* a Democrat, TBH. Seems unlikely she'll care about this vote

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
54. They (GOP) is good a wooing people who will run as a Dem but vote as a GOPer.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:16 PM
Sep 2021

We should learn to do the same. They even bragged about in 2016,

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
74. This. People who imagine newcomers and outsiders must be
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 04:44 AM
Sep 2021

preferable to "establishment" figures with demonstrated records keep foisting problems on us. Anyone can run as a Democrat, and when local Democratic parties are forced to try to oppose one of them it does NOT usually mean the party's corrupt, as some assume. Notably, voters cannot remove members of congress once elected. Sinema of course knows that.

LeftInTX

(26,308 posts)
85. Sinema is establishment. Check her record. (Political career) She's in Jeff Flake's old seat
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 11:44 AM
Sep 2021

She's been in office as a Democrat in the AZ State House (2005-10), AZ Senate (2011-2012), US Congress (2013-2018)
She faced a primary in the 2018 US Senate race. Her opponent did not have political experience. Sinema won her primary with almost 80% of the vote.

Her primary opponent was Deedra Abboud, an immigration-civil rights attorney turned activist who has never held office. She also is a Muslim in AZ. I think Abboud has an important message, but it did not resonate statewide in AZ with Democrats..


https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/abekwok/2018/07/13/deedra-abboud-muslim-senate-candidate-drew-hate-democrats/781837002/

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
86. I have checked her record, LeftInTx. It's been ideologically erratic,
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:03 PM
Sep 2021

changeable. Her bait and switch for AZ voters could have been predicted, though not reliably expected.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
90. :) I guess her career is an indication that time in government
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:32 PM
Sep 2021

is not a reliable indication of whether one is establishment, or which establishment or what kind.

Actually, there's probably no reason one couldn't be "establishment," when the word's intended to imply corruption, for a few months or years for one party and and then assisting another, and anti-establishment whenever that suits instead, such as to appeal to a particular voting constituency. It's probably pretty common in some circles.

question everything

(47,850 posts)
38. Following the steps of many Republican state parties who censored their
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:04 PM
Sep 2021

members who voted to impeach Whinny Donny..

We, Democrats used to be proud of not being in lockstep.


cstanleytech

(26,484 posts)
66. I have to say that she does need to rethink her resistance as she was elected as a Democrat
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 11:10 PM
Sep 2021

and you would think she would be willing to support Biden on this spending bill because it actually is something our country does need.
Granted, its expensive but it will more than pay for itself in the long run as a good infrastructure is vital to having a strong economy.

Zauber

(7 posts)
68. Arizona Democratic Party has passed a resolution pledging a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in @KyrstenSine
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:22 AM
Sep 2021

Yes, that should take care of it.

PatrickforB

(14,645 posts)
69. This is very good news. As others on this thread are saying,
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:55 AM
Sep 2021

the more pressure the better.

Hopefully, Sinema won't be tone deaf to this pressure.

UCmeNdc

(9,603 posts)
77. Sad! She is destroying the Democratic party and its effort to do the right things.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 06:11 AM
Sep 2021

The Biden agenda needs her to get her act together and help the American middle class.

Trueblue Texan

(2,484 posts)
79. Democrats need to realize their resemblance to passengers on Flight 93
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 08:50 AM
Sep 2021

It often seems the Republican Party has hijacked our Democracy and is determined to crash our entire structure of functioning government. Even with our Democratic majority Mitch McConnell has managed to steer the vessel to what appears to be certain destruction and sadly, with Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin, he has inside help. I just read this morning, no surprise, that McConnell plans to block all Biden's Supreme Court nominees. I guess stealing 2 nominations wasn't enough for the EVIL ONE.

So it feels like the Democrats are fairly doomed unless they take drastic measures. The no confidence vote in Arizona is a step in the right direction, but it's not enough. We might be at the point the Flight 93 passengers found themselves, knowing we're going to crash and burn, but taking control and trying to force a less catastrophic outcome. Organizations like the No Excuses PAC are ready to primary both Sinema and Manchin in 2024 if they try to shrink the Democrats plans on economic, climate, or pandemic legislation or they don't vote with the Democrats to modify the filibuster. But those threats can't be fully acted upon until the 2024 election cycle. In the meantime, Democrats need to squeeze those members of Congress who are reluctant to act like Democrats when it counts and educate constituents about how and why they need to pressure their Congress persons.

I admit I am very discouraged, but if we lose our bare majority in the Senate, McConnell has not only taught our party how to lock up a legislative agenda, but why we absolutely should lock it up.

Irish_Dem

(50,497 posts)
88. Good analogy. It is high time for Dems to be heroes right now.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:22 PM
Sep 2021

The times call for it.


We are facing the loss of our democracy.

And the American people need direct help.

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #88)

cilla4progress

(24,958 posts)
83. Awesome -
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 10:35 AM
Sep 2021

And I hope that implies withholding campaign funds and support.

They have their new wonderful Sen. Mark Kelly!

Schmice3

(294 posts)
84. SHE WILL SWITCH PARTIES
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 11:00 AM
Sep 2021

She, along with Joe Manchin, will switch parties and totally sink any hope for change. Come 2022, however, the Democrats will pick up enough seats to make them irrelevant.

kimbutgar

(21,522 posts)
89. I heard she took in a massive amount of money from the pharmaceutical comapbiex
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:29 PM
Sep 2021

Someone on camera should ask her if they donate more to her campaign will she support the law protecting consumers instead ?

Hey Krysten, I heard you got $700,000 from the drug companies if we gave you 1 million would you vote with the Democrats and for your constituents instead?

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