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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsArizona Democratic Party has passed a resolution pledging a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in @KyrstenSinema
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OnDoutside
(20,246 posts)Cha
(300,942 posts)dchill
(39,242 posts)Good for them!
Martin68
(23,746 posts)What are the consequences for the senator?
AllaN01Bear
(21,072 posts)ShazzieB
(17,277 posts)qazplm135
(7,450 posts)as a badge of honor.
W_HAMILTON
(8,167 posts)Unless her exit ramp to grifterville is, as some have suggested, to not even run for reelection.
SmittyWerben
(823 posts)if she helps thwart Biden's agenda. If she does not step up, she is as good as a rethug.
mcar
(43,057 posts)They will vote for the Republican.
getagrip_already
(15,897 posts)They have been known to ratf@#$ us by throwing our primary to a bad candidate. Is this an open primary state?
Celerity
(45,480 posts)allow voters who are registered with one party to vote in another partys primary.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/primary-types.aspx
wackadoo wabbit
(1,194 posts)That means that if you registered with a party, you can vote in only that party's primary. If you registered as unaffiliated, however, you can vote in any party's primary that you want (but in only one party's primary, not all of them!).
wryter2000
(46,823 posts)When people are given a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, they'll take the real thing all the time.
Or something to that effect.
mcar
(43,057 posts)ShazzieB
(17,277 posts)Sure, they'd be happy to see Bidens agenda tank. But they're not going to vote for a rogue Democrat when she's running against one of their own.
temporary311
(957 posts)Tommymac
(7,272 posts)But you are right about one thing - if she doesn't step up and support progressive (liberal and moderate) Democratic values and Party planks she is worse then a rethug.
W_HAMILTON
(8,167 posts)Republicans always vote for Republicans.
If she is counting on winning reelection on the backs of Republican defectors, she is even more oblivious than many thought.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,194 posts)The chances of Arizona Republicans voting for someone with a D behind their name are truly less than zero.
qazplm135
(7,450 posts)that she can get enough Dems plus enough independents to win.
I'm not cosigning on that strategy.
FBaggins
(27,346 posts)She's in office for another three years and change and they want her to vote for them.
Ticking her off could be counterproductive.
quakerboy
(14,002 posts)her voting for anything important in order to possibly gain her votes on a few symbolic things along the wayside?
Seems that its on the politicians to represent their voters, not on the voters to fall in line with their politicians.
W_HAMILTON
(8,167 posts)So her one-woman party (or one-woman, one-man party with Manchin) power trip won't last very long -- and then she (or they) will just be left with lingering resentment from most Democrats and not enough Republican support -- LOL at the idea that Republicans would vote for a Democrat! -- to make up for it.
FBaggins
(27,346 posts)With only 100 Senate seats and at least 60 of them never really being in play (plus only a third of the remaining running in any given cycle) - even a single Senate seat is incredibly important.
W_HAMILTON
(8,167 posts)...that run and win on significantly reforming or even abolishing the filibuster, then the Sinema and Manchin show comes to an abrupt end.
FBaggins
(27,346 posts)Its pretty well accepted that two more seats might be enough for a voting rights carve out, but not for ending the filibuster entirely or packing the Supreme Court or adding states.
A single senate vote wont be as precious as it is at 50/50
but it will still be far more important than is worth going out of our way to tick her off.
And we have far more seats to defend in 2024. You could get those two seats in 2022
thumb your nose at her
and regret it two years later.
W_HAMILTON
(8,167 posts)...no, in a 52-48 Democratic-controlled Senate, Democrats would not need Sinema nearly as much as Sinema would need Democrats and their voters.
And I'd happily thumb my nose at her, just like she seems to be doing to us. She is an anchor on Democrats at the moment and her only benefit is that she is voting with Democrats; if she no longer does that, she serves no useful purpose to Democrats or the Democratic agenda.
And if Democrats were to take back the Senate next year only to lose it in 2024, odds are that the very unpopular Sinema would be one of the reasons why and her seat would be one of the ones most likely to change hands. So, once again, not a problem worth worrying about.
We might need to kiss her ass now -- which is pretty shameful to begin with, given that even the no-morals Republicans that have parted ways with Trump still support most (if not all) of his agenda, yet we have to kiss Sinema's ass to get her to support Democratic policies and appointments? -- but odds are we won't have to for very long and, when that time comes, there should be hell to pay for her part in obstructing our party's agenda.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)that's her schtick.
This is a badge of honor for her.
NewHendoLib
(60,149 posts)msongs
(68,468 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)ShazzieB
(17,277 posts)If she prevents Bidens agenda from passing, she'll burn all her bridges with Democrats and left-leaning independents. Republicans will vote for whoever's running on the GOP ticket, and so will the right-leaning independents. What does that leave? A handful of disgruntled indies who are like Mikey in the old Life cereal commercials and hate everything? I don't see that as a viable political strategy for her at all.
If she wants a future in politics, she'll have to either vote with the Democrats now or run as a Republican in 2024. If she doesn't plan to run again, she can vote whichever she wants for the rest of her term. That's what worries me.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)at some big pharma funded think tank, but others seem to think she has higher political aspirations.
PatSeg
(49,305 posts)Though I suppose she really doesn't care.
jalan48
(14,069 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Demsrule86
(69,919 posts)We didn't get a public option because of it...I have always thought Lieberman was out for revenge on Democrats.
LiberalFighter
(52,729 posts)That might also indicate she will be primaried.
GoCubsGo
(32,525 posts)If she doesn't stop acting like a spoiled, attention-hungry brat, she will, no doubt, get primaried. I suspect a lot of AZ Dems are already ready to move on, thanks to her antics.
LiberalFighter
(52,729 posts)Wants to be the focus of everything.
calimary
(82,753 posts)Looked like she was at a cocktail party while "addressing the Senate" the other day. Long-sleeved black top with a few sparkles in the fabric, and large peek-a-boo openings all down the outside edges of both her long sleeves. Slutty, if you ask me, and wholly inappropriate for commanding the microphone in the United States Senate. Girlfriend, you don't dress like that unless you're looking for something in the "after-hours" department.
LittleGirl
(8,299 posts)IronLionZion
(46,128 posts)SergeStorms
(19,222 posts)I've never seen "selfish brat" spelled m-a-v-e-r-i-c-k before.
You learn something new everyday.
brush
(55,426 posts)She's going to have to make a dicision pretty quick as the House will soon pass the reconciliation infrastructure bill and send it to the Senate and she'll have to vote yes or no on it.
If she votes no she's dead as a Democrat and will be primaryed in 2024.
Brilliant move by the AZ Dems. The pressure is on her now as she'll have to quit her republican-like posturing.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,194 posts)Arizona Democrats are so over her everyone I know voted for her; and, to a person, no one is planning on voting for her a second time which is why the state party took this step.
jzola
(158 posts)Vote for her again! I made TVads for her when she ran for congress. I am done!
brush
(55,426 posts)And the timing just before the infrastructure votes is just perfect. That was planned. Sinema didn't see that coming. She thought she was calling the shots.
Locutusofborg
(527 posts)Sinema goes independent and the Democrats lose control of the Senate. Nothing at all gets passed.
femmedem
(8,270 posts)I wouldn't guarantee that's what she'd do, though.
quakerboy
(14,002 posts)I mean.. if the result is exactly the same either way...
wryter2000
(46,823 posts)West Virginia should do the same for Manchin.
Of course, she's obviously ridiculous which he isn't.
Salviati
(6,018 posts)In AZ it's actually slightly underwater among republicans (-7) while still being up overall among likely voters (+37)
But in WV it's up even more among likely voters (+43) and polls positively even in republican voters (+22)
So when push comes to shove, while I think both of their stances are ridiculous, I think that Manchin is ignoring the will and best interests of his constituents much more.
https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/voters-in-key-states-support-the-build-back-better-agenda
https://www.filesforprogress.org/memos/bbb-az.pdf
https://www.filesforprogress.org/memos/bbb-wv.pdf
dweller
(24,363 posts)Curtsy her exit
✌🏻
pamdb
(1,341 posts)But I think Sinema is a nutcase. Unfortunately, i am afraid that too much pressure will drive eher
to switch parties. She's already switched from the green party to the democratic party. I think
Manchin has enough sense to realize that if he switched parties, no matter what committee assignments the repubs would offer him, in a year he'd be just another republican. But Sinema,,,I don't trust her as far as I could throw her.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,022 posts)Not a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Sinema will face a primary.
Locutusofborg
(527 posts)n/t
AZLD4Candidate
(6,022 posts)I doubt we will use it, but it is an options, especially if she decides to Richard Shelby it and switch parties.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,194 posts)I'm just pulling this off the top of my head I looked into this a few months ago but, as I recall, since it's a federal position, a U.S. Senator cannot be recalled, as federal rules dictate their election and removal, not state rules. Certainly, no Senator has been recalled in the history of this country. There was a Court of Appeals (?) ruling about this a few years back, I believe.
GB_RN
(2,662 posts)There are no provisions in the US Constitution for recalling anyone elected to federal office. We'd need a constitutional amendment for that, and we know what the likelihood of that happening is (snowball, meet hellfire). The only ways to get rid of any federal level office holder are to 1) primary that person out, 2) beat them at the main election, 3) they die in office, or 4) they are kicked out by their colleagues for corruption.
#1 and 2 happen, but not often due to the power of incumbency. The incumbent wins 90% of the time, according to the guys at Electoral-Vote.com. The overall attitude people take seems to be that they hate Congress in general, detest the "other party" specifically, but "their guy" is "doing OK". (This assumes that you're in the same party as the incumbent, of course.)
#3, I don't know what the stats are on.
#4 is extremely rare. Not many congress critters have ever been kicked out.
relayerbob
(6,718 posts)All I can say is wow, since we are not supposed to bash other Democrats. I'm not really sure she *is* a Democrat, TBH. Seems unlikely she'll care about this vote
joetheman
(1,450 posts)We should learn to do the same. They even bragged about in 2016,
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)preferable to "establishment" figures with demonstrated records keep foisting problems on us. Anyone can run as a Democrat, and when local Democratic parties are forced to try to oppose one of them it does NOT usually mean the party's corrupt, as some assume. Notably, voters cannot remove members of congress once elected. Sinema of course knows that.
LeftInTX
(27,754 posts)She's been in office as a Democrat in the AZ State House (2005-10), AZ Senate (2011-2012), US Congress (2013-2018)
She faced a primary in the 2018 US Senate race. Her opponent did not have political experience. Sinema won her primary with almost 80% of the vote.
Her primary opponent was Deedra Abboud, an immigration-civil rights attorney turned activist who has never held office. She also is a Muslim in AZ. I think Abboud has an important message, but it did not resonate statewide in AZ with Democrats..
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/abekwok/2018/07/13/deedra-abboud-muslim-senate-candidate-drew-hate-democrats/781837002/
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)changeable. Her bait and switch for AZ voters could have been predicted, though not reliably expected.
LeftInTX
(27,754 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is not a reliable indication of whether one is establishment, or which establishment or what kind.
Actually, there's probably no reason one couldn't be "establishment," when the word's intended to imply corruption, for a few months or years for one party and and then assisting another, and anti-establishment whenever that suits instead, such as to appeal to a particular voting constituency. It's probably pretty common in some circles.
Pepsidog
(6,287 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(6,022 posts)Pepsidog
(6,287 posts)Evolve Dammit
(17,508 posts)question everything
(48,159 posts)members who voted to impeach Whinny Donny..
We, Democrats used to be proud of not being in lockstep.
Locutusofborg
(527 posts)BootinUp
(48,124 posts)I have no clue if this helps or hurts.
Fiendish Thingy
(16,678 posts)temporary311
(957 posts)Celerity
(45,480 posts)marble falls
(59,609 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Iggo
(47,882 posts)Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Fullduplexxx
(8,006 posts)cstanleytech
(26,594 posts)and you would think she would be willing to support Biden on this spending bill because it actually is something our country does need.
Granted, its expensive but it will more than pay for itself in the long run as a good infrastructure is vital to having a strong economy.
Zauber
(7 posts)Yes, that should take care of it.
PatrickforB
(14,755 posts)the more pressure the better.
Hopefully, Sinema won't be tone deaf to this pressure.
UTUSN
(71,412 posts)SunSeeker
(52,688 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,619 posts)The Biden agenda needs her to get her act together and help the American middle class.
Trueblue Texan
(2,582 posts)It often seems the Republican Party has hijacked our Democracy and is determined to crash our entire structure of functioning government. Even with our Democratic majority Mitch McConnell has managed to steer the vessel to what appears to be certain destruction and sadly, with Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin, he has inside help. I just read this morning, no surprise, that McConnell plans to block all Biden's Supreme Court nominees. I guess stealing 2 nominations wasn't enough for the EVIL ONE.
So it feels like the Democrats are fairly doomed unless they take drastic measures. The no confidence vote in Arizona is a step in the right direction, but it's not enough. We might be at the point the Flight 93 passengers found themselves, knowing we're going to crash and burn, but taking control and trying to force a less catastrophic outcome. Organizations like the No Excuses PAC are ready to primary both Sinema and Manchin in 2024 if they try to shrink the Democrats plans on economic, climate, or pandemic legislation or they don't vote with the Democrats to modify the filibuster. But those threats can't be fully acted upon until the 2024 election cycle. In the meantime, Democrats need to squeeze those members of Congress who are reluctant to act like Democrats when it counts and educate constituents about how and why they need to pressure their Congress persons.
I admit I am very discouraged, but if we lose our bare majority in the Senate, McConnell has not only taught our party how to lock up a legislative agenda, but why we absolutely should lock it up.
Irish_Dem
(53,281 posts)The times call for it.
We are facing the loss of our democracy.
And the American people need direct help.
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flying_wahini
(7,204 posts)Can we have a public whipping before she leaves, too?
Nay
(12,051 posts)cilla4progress
(25,332 posts)And I hope that implies withholding campaign funds and support.
They have their new wonderful Sen. Mark Kelly!
Schmice3
(294 posts)She, along with Joe Manchin, will switch parties and totally sink any hope for change. Come 2022, however, the Democrats will pick up enough seats to make them irrelevant.
Trueblue Texan
(2,582 posts)kimbutgar
(21,963 posts)Someone on camera should ask her if they donate more to her campaign will she support the law protecting consumers instead ?
Hey Krysten, I heard you got $700,000 from the drug companies if we gave you 1 million would you vote with the Democrats and for your constituents instead?
LisaM
(28,049 posts)I get the gesture, but it also plays into her seeming agenda.