Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:14 PM

Arizona Democratic Party has passed a resolution pledging a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in @KyrstenSinema

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Arizona Democratic Party has passed a resolution pledging a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in @KyrstenSinema (Original post)	AZProgressive	Sep 2021	OP
Good, the more pressure on her the better, and now is the time to do it.	OnDoutside	Sep 2021	#1
Yes, Good on the AZ Dem Party!	Cha	Sep 2021	#49
This is a very powerful thing for a state party to do.	dchill	Sep 2021	#2
II'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't understand why it is a "very powerful thing to do."	Martin68	Sep 2021	#95
when is she due for re ellection?	AllaN01Bear	Sep 2021	#3
2024	ShazzieB	Sep 2021	#13
I think she views it	qazplm135	Sep 2021	#4
Except at some point, you have to have people vote for you.	W_HAMILTON	Sep 2021	#8
Republicans will vote for her	SmittyWerben	Sep 2021	#11
No, they won't	mcar	Sep 2021	#14
in a primary with no real impacts onn their side.....	getagrip_already	Sep 2021	#18
AZ allows only unaffiliated voters to participate in any party primary they choose, and does not	Celerity	Sep 2021	#52
No, it's a semi-closed primary state	wackadoo wabbit	Sep 2021	#55
Was it Harry Truman who said...	wryter2000	Sep 2021	#27
That's basically it	mcar	Sep 2021	#34
Yeah, no.	ShazzieB	Sep 2021	#16
Especially not one who voted to impeach their god emperor.	temporary311	Sep 2021	#47
Hell No. Rethugs will NEVER vote for a Dem. Those days are long gone.	Tommymac	Sep 2021	#19
LOL, no they won't.	W_HAMILTON	Sep 2021	#23
You've never been to Arizona, have you	wackadoo wabbit	Sep 2021	#51
she clearly thinks	qazplm135	Sep 2021	#29
The reverse is also true	FBaggins	Sep 2021	#61
So then the party should give up on	quakerboy	Sep 2021	#75
Except odds are that, come next year, her lone vote won't matter.	W_HAMILTON	Sep 2021	#97
That's unlikely to occur	FBaggins	Sep 2021	#98
You get two more Democratic Senators in there...	W_HAMILTON	Sep 2021	#99
Unlikely	FBaggins	Sep 2021	#100
Unless she plans to leave public office and grift in her private life...	W_HAMILTON	Sep 2021	#101
I'm sure she'll love it, cause she's all maverick-y ... thinks she's McCain 2.0	Hugh_Lebowski	Sep 2021	#5
I have confidence that she only thinks of herself. DINO.	NewHendoLib	Sep 2021	#6
she might just go independent to avoid committing to democratic party values nt	msongs	Sep 2021	#7
Mavricky Independent Sinema here we come. n/t	PoliticAverse	Sep 2021	#9
Good luck to her with that.	ShazzieB	Sep 2021	#26
I lean to the she's not going to run again and is going to take a multi-million $$$ job	PoliticAverse	Sep 2021	#35
Whoa	PatSeg	Sep 2021	#10
Will she pull a Lieberman?	jalan48	Sep 2021	#12
My question. nt	Hortensis	Sep 2021	#73
She is not popular enough to do that...in retrospect primaring Lieberman was a mistake.	Demsrule86	Sep 2021	#78
Well Well Well.	LiberalFighter	Sep 2021	#15
Her approval ratings are tanking big-time.	GoCubsGo	Sep 2021	#17
I'm thinking she might have a giant ego problem.	LiberalFighter	Sep 2021	#50
That's why she dresses like she does.	calimary	Sep 2021	#96
This AZ voting Dem is done with her. Nt	LittleGirl	Sep 2021	#80
Such a maverick	IronLionZion	Sep 2021	#20
Funny....	SergeStorms	Sep 2021	#46
At least she now knows what she must do to maintain Democratic support.	brush	Sep 2021	#21
Tbh, she's going to be primaried anyway	wackadoo wabbit	Sep 2021	#60
I won't	jzola	Sep 2021	#62
It's a brilliant move. It puts tremenodous pressure on her and helps the Biden agenda.	brush	Sep 2021	#67
Win the battle and lose the war	Locutusofborg	Sep 2021	#22
She could still caucus with the Democrats even as an indedependent, like Sen. Sanders does.	femmedem	Sep 2021	#33
VS nothing gets passed anyway	quakerboy	Sep 2021	#76
Well done	wryter2000	Sep 2021	#24
Honestly - The 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill polls better in WV than in AZ	Salviati	Sep 2021	#57
She can	dweller	Sep 2021	#25
Not found of Manchin	pamdb	Sep 2021	#28
Yep	relayerbob	Sep 2021	#32
Good. As an Arizonan running for office, I support Democrats that vote Democratic	AZLD4Candidate	Sep 2021	#30
Three years from now.	Locutusofborg	Sep 2021	#39
We have recall here. I don't know if it applies to people elected to Federal office.	AZLD4Candidate	Sep 2021	#40
I actually looked into that, and it appears that no, we probably can't recall her	wackadoo wabbit	Sep 2021	#58
Unfortunately, It Does Not	GB_RN	Sep 2021	#70
Finally read her bio last night	relayerbob	Sep 2021	#31
They (GOP) is good a wooing people who will run as a Dem but vote as a GOPer.	joetheman	Sep 2021	#54
This. People who imagine newcomers and outsiders must be	Hortensis	Sep 2021	#74
Sinema is establishment. Check her record. (Political career) She's in Jeff Flake's old seat	LeftInTX	Sep 2021	#85
I have checked her record, LeftInTx. It's been ideologically erratic,	Hortensis	Sep 2021	#86
By "record", I meant her political career. Bad choice of word on my part.	LeftInTX	Sep 2021	#87
:) I guess her career is an indication that time in government	Hortensis	Sep 2021	#90
Good. Do we have a Dem who can primary her and beat a Republican in Az?	Pepsidog	Sep 2021	#36
Our bench here is deep.	AZLD4Candidate	Sep 2021	#41
Good to hear. She's gotta go.	Pepsidog	Sep 2021	#45
Good news. She is no Dem.	Evolve Dammit	Sep 2021	#37
Following the steps of many Republican state parties who censored their	question everything	Sep 2021	#38
Well said.	Locutusofborg	Sep 2021	#42
I'm no expert in AZ politics	BootinUp	Sep 2021	#43
Excellent first step; step two will be to outline additional consequences if she obstructs further.	Fiendish Thingy	Sep 2021	#44
Does Arizona have sore loser laws?	temporary311	Sep 2021	#48
yes, she cannot run again in the general if she loses the primary	Celerity	Sep 2021	#56
Maybe she'll come to jebus. This not the sort of thing that happens very often.	marble falls	Sep 2021	#53
Does that mean we're allowed to criticize her on this site? (n/t)	SMC22307	Sep 2021	#59
She's criticized here all day every day.	Iggo	Sep 2021	#63
You can unless someone views it as a right wing talking point, in which case you can't.	Steelrolled	Sep 2021	#64
Senator curtsey	Fullduplexxx	Sep 2021	#65
I have to say that she does need to rethink her resistance as she was elected as a Democrat	cstanleytech	Sep 2021	#66
Arizona Democratic Party has passed a resolution pledging a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in @KyrstenSine	Zauber	Sep 2021	#68
This is very good news. As others on this thread are saying,	PatrickforB	Sep 2021	#69
K&R	UTUSN	Sep 2021	#71
Folks on Twitter say she's already given up on reelection and is prepping to do lobbying.	SunSeeker	Sep 2021	#72
Sad! She is destroying the Democratic party and its effort to do the right things.	UCmeNdc	Sep 2021	#77
Democrats need to realize their resemblance to passengers on Flight 93	Trueblue Texan	Sep 2021	#79
Good analogy. It is high time for Dems to be heroes right now.	Irish_Dem	Sep 2021	#88
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Sep 2021	#92
She is only there for the money, anyway.	flying_wahini	Sep 2021	#81
FINALLY.	Nay	Sep 2021	#82
Awesome -	cilla4progress	Sep 2021	#83
SHE WILL SWITCH PARTIES	Schmice3	Sep 2021	#84
Well old evil Mitch has shown us how to lock up their agenda like they did ours. nt	Trueblue Texan	Sep 2021	#94
I heard she took in a massive amount of money from the pharmaceutical comapbiex	kimbutgar	Sep 2021	#89
She clearly loves attention.	LisaM	Sep 2021	#91
They need to figure out a way to keep her away from lobbyists and their cash	Mr. Sparkle	Sep 2021	#93

Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:15 PM

OnDoutside (19,705 posts)

1. Good, the more pressure on her the better, and now is the time to do it.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:50 PM

Cha (283,860 posts)

49. Yes, Good on the AZ Dem Party!

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:17 PM

dchill (34,913 posts)

2. This is a very powerful thing for a state party to do.

Good for them!

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Response to dchill (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 05:14 PM

Martin68 (20,323 posts)

95. II'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't understand why it is a "very powerful thing to do."

What are the consequences for the senator?

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:18 PM

AllaN01Bear (11,360 posts)

3. when is she due for re ellection?

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:31 PM

ShazzieB (10,349 posts)

13. 2024

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:23 PM

qazplm135 (7,425 posts)

4. I think she views it

as a badge of honor.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:26 PM

W_HAMILTON (6,748 posts)

8. Except at some point, you have to have people vote for you.

Unless her exit ramp to grifterville is, as some have suggested, to not even run for reelection.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:30 PM

SmittyWerben (815 posts)

11. Republicans will vote for her

if she helps thwart Biden's agenda. If she does not step up, she is as good as a rethug.

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Response to SmittyWerben (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:32 PM

mcar (40,524 posts)

14. No, they won't

They will vote for the Republican.

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Response to mcar (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:41 PM

getagrip_already (10,392 posts)

18. in a primary with no real impacts onn their side.....

They have been known to ratf@#$ us by throwing our primary to a bad candidate. Is this an open primary state?

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:14 PM

Celerity (35,403 posts)

52. AZ allows only unaffiliated voters to participate in any party primary they choose, and does not

allow voters who are registered with one party to vote in another party’s primary.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/primary-types.aspx

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:17 PM

wackadoo wabbit (1,059 posts)

55. No, it's a semi-closed primary state

That means that if you registered with a party, you can vote in only that party's primary. If you registered as unaffiliated, however, you can vote in any party's primary that you want (but in only one party's primary, not all of them!).

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Response to mcar (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:49 PM

wryter2000 (44,907 posts)

27. Was it Harry Truman who said...

When people are given a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, they'll take the real thing all the time.

Or something to that effect.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #27)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:57 PM

mcar (40,524 posts)

34. That's basically it

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Response to SmittyWerben (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:37 PM

ShazzieB (10,349 posts)

16. Yeah, no.

Sure, they'd be happy to see Biden’s agenda tank. But they're not going to vote for a rogue Democrat when she's running against one of their own.

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #16)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:47 PM

temporary311 (873 posts)

47. Especially not one who voted to impeach their god emperor.

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Response to SmittyWerben (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:42 PM

Tommymac (7,258 posts)

19. Hell No. Rethugs will NEVER vote for a Dem. Those days are long gone.

But you are right about one thing - if she doesn't step up and support progressive (liberal and moderate) Democratic values and Party planks she is worse then a rethug.

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Response to SmittyWerben (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:47 PM

W_HAMILTON (6,748 posts)

23. LOL, no they won't.

Republicans always vote for Republicans.

If she is counting on winning reelection on the backs of Republican defectors, she is even more oblivious than many thought.

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Response to SmittyWerben (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:08 PM

wackadoo wabbit (1,059 posts)

51. You've never been to Arizona, have you

The chances of Arizona Republicans voting for someone with a D behind their name are truly less than zero.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:53 PM

qazplm135 (7,425 posts)

29. she clearly thinks

that she can get enough Dems plus enough independents to win.

I'm not cosigning on that strategy.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:01 PM

FBaggins (25,621 posts)

61. The reverse is also true

She's in office for another three years and change and they want her to vote for them.

Ticking her off could be counterproductive.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #61)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 04:58 AM

quakerboy (13,613 posts)

75. So then the party should give up on

her voting for anything important in order to possibly gain her votes on a few symbolic things along the wayside?

Seems that its on the politicians to represent their voters, not on the voters to fall in line with their politicians.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #61)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:30 PM

W_HAMILTON (6,748 posts)

97. Except odds are that, come next year, her lone vote won't matter.

So her one-woman party (or one-woman, one-man party with Manchin) power trip won't last very long -- and then she (or they) will just be left with lingering resentment from most Democrats and not enough Republican support -- LOL at the idea that Republicans would vote for a Democrat! -- to make up for it.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #97)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:53 PM

FBaggins (25,621 posts)

98. That's unlikely to occur

With only 100 Senate seats and at least 60 of them never really being in play (plus only a third of the remaining running in any given cycle) - even a single Senate seat is incredibly important.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #98)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:52 PM

W_HAMILTON (6,748 posts)

99. You get two more Democratic Senators in there...

...that run and win on significantly reforming or even abolishing the filibuster, then the Sinema and Manchin show comes to an abrupt end.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #99)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:56 PM

FBaggins (25,621 posts)

100. Unlikely

It’s pretty well accepted that two more seats might be enough for a voting rights carve out, but not for ending the filibuster entirely or “packing” the Supreme Court or adding states.

A single senate vote won’t be as precious as it is at 50/50… but it will still be far more important than is worth going out of our way to tick her off.

And we have far more seats to defend in 2024. You could get those two seats in 2022… thumb your nose at her… and regret it two years later.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #100)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:14 PM

W_HAMILTON (6,748 posts)

101. Unless she plans to leave public office and grift in her private life...

...no, in a 52-48 Democratic-controlled Senate, Democrats would not need Sinema nearly as much as Sinema would need Democrats and their voters.

And I'd happily thumb my nose at her, just like she seems to be doing to us. She is an anchor on Democrats at the moment and her only benefit is that she is voting with Democrats; if she no longer does that, she serves no useful purpose to Democrats or the Democratic agenda.

And if Democrats were to take back the Senate next year only to lose it in 2024, odds are that the very unpopular Sinema would be one of the reasons why and her seat would be one of the ones most likely to change hands. So, once again, not a problem worth worrying about.

We might need to kiss her ass now -- which is pretty shameful to begin with, given that even the no-morals Republicans that have parted ways with Trump still support most (if not all) of his agenda, yet we have to kiss Sinema's ass to get her to support Democratic policies and appointments? -- but odds are we won't have to for very long and, when that time comes, there should be hell to pay for her part in obstructing our party's agenda.

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:23 PM

Hugh_Lebowski (31,002 posts)

5. I'm sure she'll love it, cause she's all maverick-y ... thinks she's McCain 2.0

that's her schtick.

This is a badge of honor for her.

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:25 PM

NewHendoLib (58,171 posts)

6. I have confidence that she only thinks of herself. DINO.

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:25 PM

msongs (65,338 posts)

7. she might just go independent to avoid committing to democratic party values nt

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:28 PM

PoliticAverse (26,366 posts)

9. Mavricky Independent Sinema here we come. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:49 PM

ShazzieB (10,349 posts)

26. Good luck to her with that.

If she prevents Biden’s agenda from passing, she'll burn all her bridges with Democrats and left-leaning independents. Republicans will vote for whoever's running on the GOP ticket, and so will the right-leaning independents. What does that leave? A handful of disgruntled indies who are like Mikey in the old Life cereal commercials and hate everything? I don't see that as a viable political strategy for her at all.

If she wants a future in politics, she'll have to either vote with the Democrats now or run as a Republican in 2024. If she doesn't plan to run again, she can vote whichever she wants for the rest of her term. That's what worries me.

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #26)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:58 PM

PoliticAverse (26,366 posts)

35. I lean to the she's not going to run again and is going to take a multi-million $$$ job

at some big pharma funded think tank, but others seem to think she has higher political aspirations.

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:29 PM

PatSeg (44,889 posts)

10. Whoa

Though I suppose she really doesn't care.

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:30 PM

jalan48 (13,692 posts)

12. Will she pull a Lieberman?

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 04:36 AM

Hortensis (55,611 posts)

73. My question. nt

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 06:32 AM

Demsrule86 (65,494 posts)

78. She is not popular enough to do that...in retrospect primaring Lieberman was a mistake.

We didn't get a public option because of it...I have always thought Lieberman was out for revenge on Democrats.

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:33 PM

LiberalFighter (45,549 posts)

15. Well Well Well.

That might also indicate she will be primaried.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #15)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:40 PM

GoCubsGo (31,088 posts)

17. Her approval ratings are tanking big-time.

If she doesn't stop acting like a spoiled, attention-hungry brat, she will, no doubt, get primaried. I suspect a lot of AZ Dems are already ready to move on, thanks to her antics.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #17)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:57 PM

LiberalFighter (45,549 posts)

50. I'm thinking she might have a giant ego problem.

Wants to be the focus of everything.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #50)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 06:07 PM

calimary (74,806 posts)

96. That's why she dresses like she does.

Looked like she was at a cocktail party while "addressing the Senate" the other day. Long-sleeved black top with a few sparkles in the fabric, and large peek-a-boo openings all down the outside edges of both her long sleeves. Slutty, if you ask me, and wholly inappropriate for commanding the microphone in the United States Senate. Girlfriend, you don't dress like that unless you're looking for something in the "after-hours" department.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 09:55 AM

LittleGirl (7,731 posts)

80. This AZ voting Dem is done with her. Nt

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:44 PM

IronLionZion (41,964 posts)

20. Such a maverick

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #20)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:47 PM

SergeStorms (18,185 posts)

46. Funny....

I've never seen "selfish brat" spelled m-a-v-e-r-i-c-k before.

You learn something new everyday.

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:46 PM

brush (46,885 posts)

21. At least she now knows what she must do to maintain Democratic support.

She's going to have to make a dicision pretty quick as the House will soon pass the reconciliation infrastructure bill and send it to the Senate and she'll have to vote yes or no on it.

If she votes no she's dead as a Democrat and will be primaryed in 2024.

Brilliant move by the AZ Dems. The pressure is on her now as she'll have to quit her republican-like posturing.

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Response to brush (Reply #21)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:51 PM

wackadoo wabbit (1,059 posts)

60. Tbh, she's going to be primaried anyway

Arizona Democrats are so over her — everyone I know voted for her; and, to a person, no one is planning on voting for her a second time — which is why the state party took this step.

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Response to wackadoo wabbit (Reply #60)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:26 PM

jzola (158 posts)

62. I won't

Vote for her again! I made TVads for her when she ran for congress. I am done!

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Response to wackadoo wabbit (Reply #60)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:17 AM

brush (46,885 posts)

67. It's a brilliant move. It puts tremenodous pressure on her and helps the Biden agenda.

And the timing just before the infrastructure votes is just perfect. That was planned. Sinema didn't see that coming. She thought she was calling the shots.

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:47 PM

Locutusofborg (475 posts)

22. Win the battle and lose the war

Sinema goes independent and the Democrats lose control of the Senate. Nothing at all gets passed.

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Response to Locutusofborg (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:57 PM

femmedem (7,826 posts)

33. She could still caucus with the Democrats even as an indedependent, like Sen. Sanders does.

I wouldn't guarantee that's what she'd do, though.

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Response to Locutusofborg (Reply #22)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 05:01 AM

quakerboy (13,613 posts)

76. VS nothing gets passed anyway

I mean.. if the result is exactly the same either way...

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:47 PM

wryter2000 (44,907 posts)

24. Well done

West Virginia should do the same for Manchin.

Of course, she's obviously ridiculous which he isn't.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #24)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:22 PM

Salviati (5,877 posts)

57. Honestly - The 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill polls better in WV than in AZ

In AZ it's actually slightly underwater among republicans (-7) while still being up overall among likely voters (+37)

But in WV it's up even more among likely voters (+43) and polls positively even in republican voters (+22)

So when push comes to shove, while I think both of their stances are ridiculous, I think that Manchin is ignoring the will and best interests of his constituents much more.

https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/voters-in-key-states-support-the-build-back-better-agenda
https://www.filesforprogress.org/memos/bbb-az.pdf
https://www.filesforprogress.org/memos/bbb-wv.pdf

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:48 PM

dweller (22,183 posts)

25. She can

Curtsy her exit

✌🏻

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:52 PM

pamdb (1,306 posts)

28. Not found of Manchin

But I think Sinema is a nutcase. Unfortunately, i am afraid that too much pressure will drive eher
to switch parties. She's already switched from the green party to the democratic party. I think
Manchin has enough sense to realize that if he switched parties, no matter what committee assignments the repubs would offer him, in a year he'd be just another republican. But Sinema,,,I don't trust her as far as I could throw her.

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Response to pamdb (Reply #28)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:57 PM

relayerbob (5,867 posts)

32. Yep

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:56 PM

AZLD4Candidate (4,491 posts)

30. Good. As an Arizonan running for office, I support Democrats that vote Democratic

Not a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Sinema will face a primary.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #30)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:16 PM

Locutusofborg (475 posts)

39. Three years from now.

n/t

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Response to Locutusofborg (Reply #39)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:17 PM

AZLD4Candidate (4,491 posts)

40. We have recall here. I don't know if it applies to people elected to Federal office.

I doubt we will use it, but it is an options, especially if she decides to Richard Shelby it and switch parties.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #40)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:44 PM

wackadoo wabbit (1,059 posts)

58. I actually looked into that, and it appears that no, we probably can't recall her

I'm just pulling this off the top of my head — I looked into this a few months ago — but, as I recall, since it's a federal position, a U.S. Senator cannot be recalled, as federal rules dictate their election and removal, not state rules. Certainly, no Senator has been recalled in the history of this country. There was a Court of Appeals (?) ruling about this a few years back, I believe.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 01:56 AM

GB_RN (1,896 posts)

70. Unfortunately, It Does Not

There are no provisions in the US Constitution for recalling anyone elected to federal office. We'd need a constitutional amendment for that, and we know what the likelihood of that happening is (snowball, meet hellfire). The only ways to get rid of any federal level office holder are to 1) primary that person out, 2) beat them at the main election, 3) they die in office, or 4) they are kicked out by their colleagues for corruption.

#1 and 2 happen, but not often due to the power of incumbency. The incumbent wins 90% of the time, according to the guys at Electoral-Vote.com. The overall attitude people take seems to be that they hate Congress in general, detest the "other party" specifically, but "their guy" is "doing OK". (This assumes that you're in the same party as the incumbent, of course.)
#3, I don't know what the stats are on.
#4 is extremely rare. Not many congress critters have ever been kicked out.

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:56 PM

relayerbob (5,867 posts)

31. Finally read her bio last night

All I can say is wow, since we are not supposed to bash other Democrats. I'm not really sure she *is* a Democrat, TBH. Seems unlikely she'll care about this vote

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:16 PM

joetheman (1,450 posts)

54. They (GOP) is good a wooing people who will run as a Dem but vote as a GOPer.

We should learn to do the same. They even bragged about in 2016,

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 04:44 AM

Hortensis (55,611 posts)

74. This. People who imagine newcomers and outsiders must be

preferable to "establishment" figures with demonstrated records keep foisting problems on us. Anyone can run as a Democrat, and when local Democratic parties are forced to try to oppose one of them it does NOT usually mean the party's corrupt, as some assume. Notably, voters cannot remove members of congress once elected. Sinema of course knows that.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #74)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 11:44 AM

LeftInTX (21,749 posts)

85. Sinema is establishment. Check her record. (Political career) She's in Jeff Flake's old seat

She's been in office as a Democrat in the AZ State House (2005-10), AZ Senate (2011-2012), US Congress (2013-2018)
She faced a primary in the 2018 US Senate race. Her opponent did not have political experience. Sinema won her primary with almost 80% of the vote.

Her primary opponent was Deedra Abboud, an immigration-civil rights attorney turned activist who has never held office. She also is a Muslim in AZ. I think Abboud has an important message, but it did not resonate statewide in AZ with Democrats..

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/abekwok/2018/07/13/deedra-abboud-muslim-senate-candidate-drew-hate-democrats/781837002/

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #85)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:03 PM

Hortensis (55,611 posts)

86. I have checked her record, LeftInTx. It's been ideologically erratic,

changeable. Her bait and switch for AZ voters could have been predicted, though not reliably expected.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:10 PM

LeftInTX (21,749 posts)

87. By "record", I meant her political career. Bad choice of word on my part.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:32 PM

Hortensis (55,611 posts)

90. :) I guess her career is an indication that time in government

is not a reliable indication of whether one is establishment, or which establishment or what kind.

Actually, there's probably no reason one couldn't be "establishment," when the word's intended to imply corruption, for a few months or years for one party and and then assisting another, and anti-establishment whenever that suits instead, such as to appeal to a particular voting constituency. It's probably pretty common in some circles.

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Response to AZProgressive (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 06:59 PM

Pepsidog (6,014 posts)

36. Good. Do we have a Dem who can primary her and beat a Republican in Az?

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:18 PM

AZLD4Candidate (4,491 posts)

41. Our bench here is deep.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #41)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:46 PM

Pepsidog (6,014 posts)

45. Good to hear. She's gotta go.

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:01 PM

Evolve Dammit (14,160 posts)

37. Good news. She is no Dem.

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:04 PM

question everything (45,028 posts)

38. Following the steps of many Republican state parties who censored their

members who voted to impeach Whinny Donny..

We, Democrats used to be proud of not being in lockstep.

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Response to question everything (Reply #38)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:18 PM

Locutusofborg (475 posts)

42. Well said.

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:21 PM

BootinUp (43,973 posts)

43. I'm no expert in AZ politics

I have no clue if this helps or hurts.

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:21 PM

Fiendish Thingy (12,161 posts)

44. Excellent first step; step two will be to outline additional consequences if she obstructs further.

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:49 PM

temporary311 (873 posts)

48. Does Arizona have sore loser laws?

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Response to temporary311 (Reply #48)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:22 PM

Celerity (35,403 posts)

56. yes, she cannot run again in the general if she loses the primary

https://ballotpedia.org/Sore_loser_laws_in_the_50_states

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:15 PM

marble falls (47,684 posts)

53. Maybe she'll come to jebus. This not the sort of thing that happens very often.

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:48 PM

SMC22307 (8,039 posts)

59. Does that mean we're allowed to criticize her on this site? (n/t)

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:00 PM

Iggo (46,442 posts)

63. She's criticized here all day every day.

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:02 PM

Steelrolled (2,022 posts)

64. You can unless someone views it as a right wing talking point, in which case you can't.

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:50 PM

Fullduplexxx (6,798 posts)

65. Senator curtsey

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Sat Sep 25, 2021, 11:10 PM

cstanleytech (24,757 posts)

66. I have to say that she does need to rethink her resistance as she was elected as a Democrat

and you would think she would be willing to support Biden on this spending bill because it actually is something our country does need.
Granted, its expensive but it will more than pay for itself in the long run as a good infrastructure is vital to having a strong economy.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:22 AM

Zauber (6 posts)

68. Arizona Democratic Party has passed a resolution pledging a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in @KyrstenSine

Yes, that should take care of it.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:55 AM

PatrickforB (13,953 posts)

69. This is very good news. As others on this thread are saying,

the more pressure the better.

Hopefully, Sinema won't be tone deaf to this pressure.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 02:30 AM

UTUSN (67,208 posts)

71. K&R

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 03:25 AM

SunSeeker (49,099 posts)

72. Folks on Twitter say she's already given up on reelection and is prepping to do lobbying.

Link to tweet

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 06:11 AM

UCmeNdc (9,323 posts)

77. Sad! She is destroying the Democratic party and its effort to do the right things.

The Biden agenda needs her to get her act together and help the American middle class.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 08:50 AM

Trueblue Texan (1,884 posts)

79. Democrats need to realize their resemblance to passengers on Flight 93

It often seems the Republican Party has hijacked our Democracy and is determined to crash our entire structure of functioning government. Even with our Democratic majority Mitch McConnell has managed to steer the vessel to what appears to be certain destruction and sadly, with Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin, he has inside help. I just read this morning, no surprise, that McConnell plans to block all Biden's Supreme Court nominees. I guess stealing 2 nominations wasn't enough for the EVIL ONE.

So it feels like the Democrats are fairly doomed unless they take drastic measures. The no confidence vote in Arizona is a step in the right direction, but it's not enough. We might be at the point the Flight 93 passengers found themselves, knowing we're going to crash and burn, but taking control and trying to force a less catastrophic outcome. Organizations like the No Excuses PAC are ready to primary both Sinema and Manchin in 2024 if they try to shrink the Democrats plans on economic, climate, or pandemic legislation or they don't vote with the Democrats to modify the filibuster. But those threats can't be fully acted upon until the 2024 election cycle. In the meantime, Democrats need to squeeze those members of Congress who are reluctant to act like Democrats when it counts and educate constituents about how and why they need to pressure their Congress persons.

I admit I am very discouraged, but if we lose our bare majority in the Senate, McConnell has not only taught our party how to lock up a legislative agenda, but why we absolutely should lock it up.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #79)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:22 PM

Irish_Dem (35,483 posts)

88. Good analogy. It is high time for Dems to be heroes right now.

The times call for it.

We are facing the loss of our democracy.

And the American people need direct help.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 10:14 AM

flying_wahini (4,969 posts)

81. She is only there for the money, anyway.

Can we have a public whipping before she leaves, too?

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 10:20 AM

Nay (12,046 posts)

82. FINALLY.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 10:35 AM

cilla4progress (22,491 posts)

83. Awesome -

And I hope that implies withholding campaign funds and support.

They have their new wonderful Sen. Mark Kelly!

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 11:00 AM

Schmice3 (263 posts)

84. SHE WILL SWITCH PARTIES

She, along with Joe Manchin, will switch parties and totally sink any hope for change. Come 2022, however, the Democrats will pick up enough seats to make them irrelevant.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 01:51 PM

Trueblue Texan (1,884 posts)

94. Well old evil Mitch has shown us how to lock up their agenda like they did ours. nt

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:29 PM

kimbutgar (18,393 posts)

89. I heard she took in a massive amount of money from the pharmaceutical comapbiex

Someone on camera should ask her if they donate more to her campaign will she support the law protecting consumers instead ?

Hey Krysten, I heard you got $700,000 from the drug companies if we gave you 1 million would you vote with the Democrats and for your constituents instead?

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 01:02 PM

LisaM (27,100 posts)