Can someone confirm this?

[Quixote1818]

"In case anyone is curious... Right now in the USA, every ten days, more than 8,000 (unvaccinated) Republican voters are dying of COVID-19. That's FIVE TIMES the rate for we Democrats. - NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON

https://ifunny.co/picture/in-case-anyone-is-curious-right-now-in-the-usa-Sqt4Nkvw8



Totally confirmed he said it at least! https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/neil-degrasse-tyson-vax-tweet/

[Sneederbunk]

1. Shush.

[MomInTheCrowd]

22. Haha

[Sanity Claws]

2. Snopes confirmed that Tyson tweeted that

It did not confirm what Tyson tweeted. Tyson didn't prove a cite.

[spooky3]

3. Dr. Tyson, that's "us Democrats." It's an object of the

preposition “for.” It’s easy to avoid this mistake if you leave out “Democrats” and realize that sounds odd and wrong.

Drives me nuts when well-educated people do this.

On edit: I went to the linked sources and neither included the “we” in the quote attributed to Dr. Tyson. He deleted the original tweet so it can’t be checked. So the “we” was added by someone else. My apologies to Dr. Tyson.

[sanatanadharma]

8. All my buddies and me agree

We said so just the other day as we were splitting infinitives and dangling participles, down their where there fixing they're barn.

[spooky3]

14. :-)

[Walleye]

18. I see what you did there

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

28. 😂🤣😂

Damn, that's funny!

[gldstwmn]

4. I would love to know at what rate the Republicans are killing off their voters.

[tiredtoo]

26. They are not being killed

They are making the ultimate sacrifice like any well behaved cult member would.

[Pluvious]

41. And it's working...

I feel So owned.

[bringthePaine]

5. how many Quatloos for the survivors?🧐

[AllaN01Bear]

6. luv ur star trek origina series reference . The Gamesters of Triskelion

[AllaN01Bear]

7. eep.

[KentuckyWoman]

9. We deviously got the Republicans to skip the vaccine by asking them to take it.

Everyone knows the GOP is the party of "you ain't the boss of me". Just asking a Republican to do anything means they'll do the opposite. It is part of the DNA.

It was a brilliant move. (snark)


In all seriousness ... if the stats start scaring some Trumpers to vax up, I could not be more thrilled. Society as a whole will benefit when these idiot toddlers decide to cooperate.

[Stuart G]

10. I guess ....."STUPID IS STILL STUPID"

.....I guess those stupid fools like breathing tubes....and pneumonia....

....Not me Charlie...been there and done that... .... . ... ..... ..... ....


..................................................VERY, VERY, AND VERY STUPID................................................................


NO, I don't remember this crap when they introduced the polio vaccine....DO YOU?...yes, I am that old......

[NullTuples]

11. That's going to have an effect in those sparsely populated red counties

[NH Ethylene]

12. The number is valid!

The seven-day average in US deaths from Covid has been between 8,000 and 10,000 over the past few weeks, according to WorldOMeters.

That's a range of 1143 to 1429 a day, which would be 11,430 - 14,290 deaths over a 10-day period. I will round down to 13,000, give a few deaths would be children and also, only 99% of the deaths are unvaccinated people.

Here is the percent of those who have been vaccinated, by Party (from Gallup Poll):

Democrats: 88 percent
Independents: 60 percent
Republicans: 55 percent

Here is the party breakdown:
49% Democrats
40% Republicans
11% remaining undeclared

So if we multiply to see what portion of adults in each Party are UNvaccinated:
40% of the country x 45% = 18% UNvaccinated Republicans
12% x 49% = 5.9% unvaccinated Democrats
40% x 11% = 4.4% unvaccinated Independents

So 18% of the nation is made up of unvaccinated Republicans and 10.3% for all others who are unvaccinated. This is 28.3% total unvaccinated adults. (This is less than the national figures because the published figures include many children).

18/28.3 x 100 = 63.6% of the deaths are unvaccinated Republicans (except for the small number that are children)

If 99% of the deaths are unvaccinated people, 99% X 13,000 = 12870 unvaccinated deaths in the US over 10 days

Child deaths amount to 0.057%, (from CDC) so 0.057% X 12,870 = 7.3 children died

That leaves 12,863 unvaccinated adults over a 10-day period, of which 63.6% are Republicans.

63.6% X 12,863 = 8181

So saying that 8,000 unvaccinated Republicans are dying every 10 days looks to be very accurate!

Please let me know if I screwed up the calculations.

[spooky3]

15. Thank you!!! Nt

[Quixote1818]

19. Thanks. nt

[paleotn]

24. Yep, you've got it. I got 8,187 based on the same parameters. Delta is rounding.

The 8,000 every 10 days seems correct, but the 5 times Dems seems a bit off. I'm getting 3 times Dems (2,674). Regardless, disparity of impact across different populations is significant.

[NH Ethylene]

31. Nice!

I'll take your word for the 3 times instead of 5. That was a fun little math activity to do last night. And it really is astounding!

[triron]

50. Yep 3 times not 5

[former9thward]

37. It is ignoring the massive deaths in blue states at the beginning.

When doing these type of statistics we don't get to pick and choose what time periods if we are being honest about the results.

But we must remember that Tyson says it is likely we are living in a computer simulation. So what is to stop the being running the simulation to suddenly change who is dying?

Neil deGrasse Tyson says it’s ‘very likely’ the universe is a simulation

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/227126-neil-degrasse-tyson-says-its-very-likely-the-universe-is-a-simulation

[Irish_Dem]

40. I am not fond of the dystopian stimulation we are in right now.

How do I switch it?

To something more utopian.

[NH Ethylene]

42. I was merely trying to fact check Tyson's comment.

"Right now in the USA, every ten days, more than 8,000 (unvaccinated) Republican voters are dying of COVID-19."

If you want an overall comparison, feel free to calculate it.

[kcr]

45. Who's picking and choosing?

There were no vaccines at the beginning.

[Demobrat]

13. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Last edited Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)

If they do get the vaccine they’re giving in to the liberals,

and if they don’t get the vaccine they’re worm food.

[Stuart G]

17. The ..."Dead Meat" society...(of which I am a member) begs to differ...

... We in the society are for taking the vaccine,,we like dead meat..fried chickens, hamburgers..etc..:Any
reference to our society in a negative way....is not polite nor proper....more like ...."dead grass"

[Demobrat]

27. Sorry to offend.

I fixed my post.

[OrangeJoe]

16. Where they live matters

I'm certain the Republicans are losing more voters to COVID than the Democrats. The issue is where these voters lived. If their home state was South Dakota, Alaska or Idaho not much is going to change next election. If they were residing in a closer swing state, Georgia, Arizona or Wisconsin or even better in a close Congressional Rep race (Iowa's 2nd district which was a whooping 6 vote difference) we may have some actual movement.

[LeftInTX]

20. Republican zip codes have a higher vaccination rate than inner city zip codes where I live.

The most affluent zip code is 65% fully vaccinated but inner city is only 38%. Inner city very Democratic.

[Treefrog]

34. People tend to ignore this.

But it’s true.

[LeftInTX]

36. Sadly, these unvaccinated are not making headlines

[kcr]

46. Hmm

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/09/1004430257/theres-a-stark-red-blue-divide-when-it-comes-to-states-vaccination-rates

I wouldn't brag.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. It will be interesting to see the source material and calculations

It sounds too lopsided to me. It may be a red state blue state estimate that undercounts blue-in-red and red-in-blue states.

[Steelrolled]

25. I think it is based on some "fancy" calculations

and once he realized this he deleted it.

[Celerity]

30. It is based on a tonne of guesses and assumptions. Very weak scientifically.

Last edited Sun Sep 26, 2021, 11:48 AM - Edit history (1)

Same as that calculator woman, and the apparently unstoppable bollocks about COVID having a full 2% (I have even seen 3 to 4% ludicrously stated by some) case lethality rate.

People love to hear confirmation bias driven positings, and some reactive violently and/or viciously when it is even questioned, let along basically debunk with clear logic and evidence. There is also an overlap at times between these types and ones who are all about 'trusting the science' right up until the point that the science points to something that interferes with their own belief system.

[Treefrog]

33. "Viciously"

[Celerity]

35. fixed, did not notice it when I posted it via my phone whist I was on the tunnelbana

[NH Ethylene]

32. See post #12 and #24

I did the calculations last night and included where the numbers came from and what assumptions I made.

[BigmanPigman]

23. Good!

Darwin and Dems are on the right track. I hope they continue to kill their own. Fucking morons have no place in politics or in a science based reality. The sooner they are gone the better for the democracy as a whole.

[Champp]

29. Republicans are systematically killing off their True Believers

Amazing how much damage the Republican COVID lies have done.

[Sogo]

38. Won't matter a hoot if they're

in heavily red states like Idaho, Alabama, Mississippi, etc.

[cadoman]

39. science like this makes me wonder if we should walk back the mandates...

If Repukes are given the chance to vaccinate and don't, at no cost, is it really our responsibility to save them?

Running the mandate camps will be enormously costly and violent, and only embitter the survivors. If we don't mandate, enough will begin to die that they'll see the error of their ways, and we'll never have to "go there" with the rounding people up involuntarily thing.

[Sogo]

44. OK, man, you need to explain what the heck you're talking about

re “mandate camps” and “rounding people up involuntarily.” If it’s sarcasm, you ought to mark it as such, cause it doesn’t make sense otherwise….

[cadoman]

47. what's to explain? mandates require enforcement

If people are not following the mandate, they need to be rounded up and placed in a facility. That facility would likely be a quarantine camp, effective until the pandemic has subsided.

The alternative to a quarantine camp is mandatory vaccination. I frankly think that has too high a potential of getting violent, but a very large number of scientists are on board with it so we have to be ready to support it. That plan would have to proceed if quarantine of the unvaccinated were not enough to keep us safe from new variants.

If you're confused just read up what leadership in Australia and Canada are doing as they have the most evolved and effective mandate plans so far. They're doing now what we hope to achieve in the next 3-6 months.

[Sogo]

48. Oh just stop it.

We’re not putting people in camps.

[cadoman]

49. people have already been put in mandatory quarantine, where have you been?

Do you just object to the word "camp"? Fine, call it a facility or hotel or whatever makes you comfortable. The facilities are just as likely to be repurposed malls or hotels as built from scratch camps. What has happened in quarantine hotels so far though is people go nuts after a day or two alone, so a camp structure where they can have carefully measured portions of socially distanced and masked human contact makes a lot more sense.

If this makes you uncomfortable you need to toughen up fast. We have vaccination rates in BIPOC communities well below 50% in many areas and they're likely going to have to be rounded up en masse by the National Guard during the next variant. It's not going to be a pretty look but it's necessary in order to have a functional mandate.

This won't make sense to you at this time, but the next variant will make Delta look like a cakewalk. 97% vaccination rate or higher is required. The big guy said it himself.

Again, toughen up. We need everyone to support the science, even when it's not pretty.

[CousinIT]

43. States with Republican governors had highest Covid incidence and death rates, study finds

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/states-republican-governors-had-highest-covid-incidence-death-rates-study-n1260700

. . .

The study, which which was published in the peer-reviewed American Journal of Preventive Medicine, examined Covid-19 "incidence, death, testing, and test positivity rates from March 15 through December 15, 2020," when there were 16 million confirmed cases in the U.S. and 300,000 deaths. It focused on per-capita infection and death rates in the 26 GOP-led states and 24 Democratic-led states and Washington, D.C., and made statistical adjustments for issues such as population density.

But "policy differences" between the Republican and Democratic leaders emerged as a big factor for the reversal of the states' fortunes, the study suggests.

"The response to the coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) pandemic became increasingly politicized in the U.S. and political affiliation of state leaders may contribute to policies affecting the spread of the disease," the study said.

It pointed to a finding in another study that "Republican governors were slower to adopt both stay-at-home orders and mandates to wear face masks. Other studies have shown that Democratic governors were more likely to issue stay-at-home orders with longer durations. Moreover, decisions by Republican governors in spring 2020 to retract policies, such as the lifting of stay-at-home orders on April 28 in Georgia, may have contributed to increased cases and deaths."

. . .