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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,865 posts)
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:44 PM Sep 2021

Capitol Rioter Insists 'I Am Not a Person' in 'Self-Destructive' Court Appearance

Capitol rioter Pauline Bauer was ordered to remain in jail on Friday following a strange and "self-destructive" court appearance.

Bauer, who owns and operates a pizzeria in Pennsylvania, was in court to potentially receive a pre-trial release from jail, should she agree to follow the conditions set forward by the court. She had previously been denied a release a week prior by Donald Trump-appointed U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden, who expressed concern that she would not comply with the release conditions.

On Friday, Bauer began by giving a statement that, according to Law & Crime, suggested phrasing reminiscent of the "sovereign citizen" movement. Adherents to that movement believe that they should not be subject to laws and decisions made by judges, juries, police or governments, and often claim that they do not have to pay taxes. The Southern Poverty Law Center claims that the movement's roots are "racist and antisemitic."

Afterward, Bauer began exchanging Bible verses with McFadden, culminating in her claim that she is "not a person."

"I Pauline... a living soul... He gave man dominion over the land..." Bauer said.

"Romans 13 — Let every person be subject to the governing authorities," Judge McFadden reportedly said in response.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/capitol-rioter-insists-i-am-not-a-person-in-self-destructive-court-appearance/ar-AAOOJnV

Trying for an insanity defense it sounds like.

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Capitol Rioter Insists 'I Am Not a Person' in 'Self-Destructive' Court Appearance (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 OP
But she most certainly *is* a tool. n/t Beartracks Sep 2021 #1
Lots of people getting medical advice on the internet, no surprise when captain queeg Sep 2021 #2
Sovereign Citizen BS. haele Sep 2021 #3
RIP Sussmann's idiot legal arguments website. carpetbagger Sep 2021 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #5
I bet he's been keeping that one in his pocket. Midnight Writer Sep 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #7
+1 SheltieLover Sep 2021 #8
Sovereign citizens are nut cases who can be dangerous LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #9
This is the problem with "humoring" these fools rpannier Sep 2021 #11
You are Rebl2 Sep 2021 #13
Reminds me of the scene from the Client rpannier Sep 2021 #10
an ss to me equates to a non citizen and should be deported . AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #12
Going for insanity defense? I'd settle for her being in a locked room, next to 3Hotdogs Sep 2021 #14

captain queeg

(10,148 posts)
2. Lots of people getting medical advice on the internet, no surprise when
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:51 PM
Sep 2021

they get their legal advice there too. We are inundated by people who deny expert opinions thinking they themselves are able to figure things out and make their own decisions. I guess I should be surprised but I’m really not.

haele

(12,645 posts)
3. Sovereign Citizen BS.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:52 PM
Sep 2021

Under the Constitution, you're either a person with rights (citizen or foreign visa holder) or non-person with few rights.

Haele

carpetbagger

(4,391 posts)
4. RIP Sussmann's idiot legal arguments website.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:02 PM
Sep 2021

One of my favorites from the 1990s. It lives on as an easily retrievable casebook.

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #6)

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
11. This is the problem with "humoring" these fools
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:09 PM
Sep 2021

Big mistake in the 90s to treat them with kid gloves and pretend they had valid arguments

Rebl2

(13,484 posts)
13. You are
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:21 PM
Sep 2021

correct. They are fools, not nut cases and been allowed to get away with this foolishness for to long.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
10. Reminds me of the scene from the Client
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:08 PM
Sep 2021

Tommy Lee Jones quotes from scripture and the Judge returns volley by pointing out he cited the wrong chapter

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