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I guess solar. Pretty impressive. (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2021 OP
but, but, but... the birds! getagrip_already Sep 2021 #1
Are there birds in the desert? applegrove Sep 2021 #2
depends on the dessert..... getagrip_already Sep 2021 #4
I know you were being sardonic. I was trying to add. applegrove Sep 2021 #5
Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie. panader0 Sep 2021 #6
LOL! applegrove Sep 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author applegrove Sep 2021 #3
The largest cause of songbird deaths in the US ... VMA131Marine Sep 2021 #8
+1000 HAB911 Sep 2021 #11
But but there won't be enough sun left over for crops !?! dweller Sep 2021 #9
"Solar is not, has not and will never" Eko Sep 2021 #10
This power plant in California generates more power 24 hours a day, seven days a week... hunter Sep 2021 #12
Thank you. jeffreyi Sep 2021 #13

getagrip_already

(14,741 posts)
1. but, but, but... the birds!
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:36 PM
Sep 2021

Yeah, it's not a solar collector, and it's not turbines, but hey, when have facts stopped them before??

getagrip_already

(14,741 posts)
4. depends on the dessert.....
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:03 PM
Sep 2021

Death valley in the us has birds. The sahara, probably not so much.

But I was being sarcastic. Solar panels have zero impacts on birds. Solar collectors, which are arrays of mirrors pointing at a tower, cqan kill birds flying through the light beans; the same as putting a bug under a magnifying glass can.

The pic shows panels, not mirrors.

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VMA131Marine

(4,138 posts)
8. The largest cause of songbird deaths in the US ...
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:17 PM
Sep 2021

Domestic cats: they kill between 1 and 2 billion birds every year. Wind turbines, by contrast, kill less than 1 million. Want to protect the bird population: keep your cats indoors.

dweller

(23,629 posts)
9. But but there won't be enough sun left over for crops !?!
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:38 PM
Sep 2021

Yes this was a complaint against solar at one time …


✌🏻

Eko

(7,281 posts)
10. "Solar is not, has not and will never"
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:02 AM
Sep 2021

Its just a point on the celestial sphere directly below an observer. Some if you will get this, some not.
All joking aside, that is awesome!

hunter

(38,311 posts)
12. This power plant in California generates more power 24 hours a day, seven days a week...
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 10:43 AM
Sep 2021

... and has a much smaller environmental footprint than the equivalent amount of natural gas primary power combined with supplemental solar power.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_Canyon_Power_Plant

Solar plants built on previously undeveloped land are loathsome. How are we saving the natural environment if we destroy it?

Natural gas is today's most dangerous power source because people think it's "clean" and it supports their fantasy "renewable energy" schemes. Gas is going to destroy the world's natural environment as we know it.

Experiments with hybrid solar / wind / gas power systems in California, Denmark, and Germany have failed. These solar and wind projects will only increase our long term dependence on natural gas. The outcome won't be any different in Morocco.

I used to be a very serious anti-nuclear activist. I changed my mind.

We've worked ourselves into a corner. The earth cannot support the current human population without high density energy sources.

Low density energy sources like solar and wind power will not displace fossil fuels.

jeffreyi

(1,939 posts)
13. Thank you.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 11:16 AM
Sep 2021

The solar farms are loathsome. Especially on our public lands. Just crass destruction. And please tell me how they change the "carbon footprint" one whit. Put them on rooftops and abandoned shopping malls where there is infrastructure and they don't obliterate Joshua trees and desert tortoises and the myriad of other flora and fauna in those habitats. For structures that probably have no effect on climate change. And that might last 20 years at most. And the BLM (Bureau of land mgt) is fast tracking this crap. At the behest of the Biden administration.

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