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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJ6 Committee Chairman willing to lock up Bannon & Meadows if they ignore subpoenas:
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AllaN01Bear
(18,101 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,393 posts)Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)Or give them the Susan McDougall treatment.
Solitary confinement, sensory deprivation, chained to the cell toilet, shackled periodically and sent on the punitive prison bus relay around federal facilities.
Susan McDougall served 18 months for refusing to testify against Bill Clinton in a civil matter. How long can these bozos hold out? Let's see!
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)from wikipedia
On August 5, 1994, Kenneth Starr became Independent Counsel to prosecute McDougal and other Whitewater participants.[4] Her federal trial began in 1996, in which the government's star witness, Arkansas banker and former municipal judge David Hale, claimed that Governor Bill Clinton had discussed an illegal $300,000 loan with him and McDougal. Hale was himself under investigation for having defrauded the SBA out of $3.2 million. He also unsuccessfully sought to have his brother Milas Hale corroborate his testimony against Clinton.[5]
McDougal was convicted of her role in Whitewater on May 28, 1996, and was sentenced to spend time in prison for four counts of fraud and conspiracy relating to the Whitewater scandal, but her prison term did not begin until March 7, 1998, as there were other court proceedings. Following her ex-husband's James (Jim) B. McDougal's conviction but prior to his sentencing, he began to co-operate with the Office of Independent Counsel and tried to persuade her to do likewise to avoid a prison sentence.
Susan's defense lawyer, Mark Geragos, stated that her ex-husband told her that Deputy Independent Counsel W. Hickman Ewing Jr. would be able to "get Clinton with a sex charge" before the 1996 election if she agreed to lie and say she had had an affair with Clinton. She has always denied ever having had an affair with Clinton.[6]
Ewing denied to reporters, during a break in the proceedings, that he had ever heard of such a plan: "I never talked to Jim McDougal about that, and I wouldn't. I never heard any discussion along those lines in my office ever at the time frame she's talking about."
Rejecting her ex-husband's advice, McDougal's sentencing hearing began August 19, 1996. After the judge levied a sentence of two years in federal prison but before she left the courtroom, Starr had her served with a subpoena for another Whitewater grand jury, to begin two weeks later.[7]
Grand jury
During the grand jury, McDougal stated her full name "for the record" and then refused to answer any questions. In her book, she explained, "I feared being accused of perjury if I told the grand jury the truth. The OIC had accepted David Hale's lies as the truth. They were also now relying on Jim McDougal's lies, which they'd carefully helped him construct. If I came in and directly contradicted those two -- whose testimony had been used to convict me of four felonies -- I feared the OIC would next accuse me of perjury." She also writes that she feared the same fate as Julie Hiatt Steele,[8] who had contradicted the testimony of White House aide Kathleen Willey: "Simply telling the truth cost Steele everything she had, almost landed her in jail [for perjury], and jeopardized her custody of her adopted son."[9]
McDougal's grand jury testimony included her response: "Get another independent counsel and I'll answer every question."[10] She was publicly rebuked for refusing to answer "three questions"[11] about whether President Clinton had lied in his testimony during her Whitewater trial, particularly when he denied any knowledge of an illegal $300,000 loan. U.S. District Court Judge Susan Webber Wright sentenced her for civil contempt of court.
Prison
From September 9, 1996 to March 6, 1998, McDougal spent the maximum possible 18 months' imprisonment for civil contempt, including eight months in solitary confinement, and she was subjected to "diesel therapy," described by McDougal as "the practice of hauling defendants around the country and placing them in different jails along the way."[12][13]
McDougal was shuffled from Arkansas to "Los Angeles to the Oklahoma City transfer center, and then on to the Pulaski County Jail in Little Rock, Arkansas".[14]
Following her release on March 7, 1998 for civil contempt of court, McDougal began serving the two-year sentence for her 1996 conviction.[15]
Soon afterward, the Independent Counsel indicted McDougal on criminal charges of contempt of court and obstruction of justice. After serving four months on the Whitewater fraud conviction, she was released for medical reasons.[16]
After McDougal's release, her embezzlement trial in California began. In 1998, McDougal was acquitted on all 12 counts.[17]
A suit in 1999 against Nancy Mehta for malicious prosecution was settled out of court.[18]
McDougal's trial for criminal charges of contempt of court and obstruction of justice began in March 1999. The jury deadlocked 75 in her favor on the charge of contempt of court and found her not guilty on the charge of obstruction of justice.[19] In 2001, in the final hours of his presidency, President Clinton granted McDougal a full presidential pardon.[20]
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)She refused to testify before the grand jury which was considering criminal charges in a criminal matter.
McDougal was charged with contempt of court, which can be either criminal or civil. In her case she was charged with civil contempt of court. But her contempt of court was for refusal to testify against Bill Clinton in a criminal proceeding, not a civil one, just as I said.
Facts.
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Thank you for the correction.
And now that you've cleared that up, back to my original point.
The proceeding at issue in Susan McDougal's contempt charge and jail time was a criminal case, not a civil one.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Injustice they have wrought on human beings. Thank you !!! Have a personal interest in Siegelman's...horrible story too.
Lock them ALL up
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)It was then that I started following politics closely, when I saw the task force that had been deployed by billionaire RWNJ Richard Mellon Scaife to take down Bill Clinton. Coulter, Kellyanne, Barbara Comstock, Ingraham, so many others. All groomed by Scaife-funded International Womens Forum for television propaganda jobs.
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)[link:https://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/news/9609/04/s.mcdougal/index.shtml|
Susan McDougal Charged With Contempt
Susan McDougal
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AllPolitics, Sept. 4) -- The judge in the Whitewater grand jury proceedings today held Susan McDougal in contempt of court for refusing to answer three questions from prosecutors, including one concerning whether President Clinton lied in his testimony during her trial earlier this year.
dmr
(28,345 posts)I'm going to have to Google search him to see the outcome.
What they did to him was criminal.
Any idea if a book was written about his ordeal? If not, there ought to be.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,046 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Celerity
(43,238 posts)Salviati
(6,008 posts)Chipper Chat
(9,675 posts)Rhetorically . The milquetoast syndrome.
Let's show em Bennie.
Hotler
(11,409 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)blogslug
(37,990 posts)Link to tweet
Manu Raju @mkraju
(Chief Congressional Correspondent, @CNN. Roaming the Capitol halls, covering the Hill and politics. Die-hard Chicago sports fan. Wisconsin Badger for life.)
Asked Bennie Thompson, chairman of Jan. 6 panel, how they'd handle the four Trump allies who have been subpoenaed -- if they don't comply
"Criminal contempt is on the table," Thompson said. "And if it comes to that, there will be no reluctance at all on the committee to do that"
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)LeftInTX
(25,200 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Javaman
(62,507 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)They sure talk a good game.
BidenRocks
(826 posts)Cojones!
Takket
(21,549 posts)Especially in light of this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/court-dismisses-house-lawsuit-seeking-to-enforce-a-subpoena-of-former-white-house-counsel-donald-mcgahn/2020/08/31/c693ad3e-ebaf-11ea-ab4e-581edb849379_story.html%3foutputType=amp
A federal appeals court dismissed a House lawsuit Monday seeking to force President Trumps former White House counsel Donald McGahn to comply with a congressional subpoena, saying that Congress has not passed a law expressly authorizing it to sue to enforce its subpoenas.
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The divided 2-to-1 ruling dealt a blow to congressional oversight powers and came three weeks after the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit affirmed that Congress had standing to sue that is, it had shown that the Trump administrations refusal to allow McGahn to testify harmed the Houses long-standing right to compel testimony from government officials.
The full panels ruling returned the case to a three-judge panel of the court to consider other challenges in a historic clash between the branches of government.
In Mondays opinion, two judges said that despite the injury to Congress, there was no statute by which it could seek a remedy, ending the case.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)they have no power to do.
Instead, they would hold the recalcitrant witnesses in contempt of Congress - which they do have the power to do - and refer the matter to the US Attorney for prosecution.
The court ruling in the McGahn case would have no effect on this process.
I hope that answers your question.
Takket
(21,549 posts)Why didnt they haul in McGann for contempt of Congress?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)ffr
(22,665 posts)Don't hold back. You won't lose our votes for upholding the law.
Hotler
(11,409 posts)I'm not getting my hopes up. I'll wait to see if it happens.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Chairman Thompson was probably responding to a question about those particular individuals, but I'm sure they are going to play hardball with anyone who defies the subpoenas.