Let's not forget the fact that the polls are almost all lies.

[dawg]

No, I'm not being paranoid and ranting about the evil conservative pollsters who are trying to mislead us. I actually think that most of the pollsters are trying their hardest to accurately predict the outcome of the election. But in order to do that, they have switched to "likely" voter models that *assume* that Democrats don't show up at the polls as often as Republicans do; young people don't show up like old people do; black people don't show up like white people do; poor people don't show up like rich people do.

Are all those things going to be true this year? Well, that's up to us. But imagine for a moment that we were just as likely to vote as the conservatives were. This race would not be all that close right now.

The reality is that a solid majority of voting-age Americans want the President to be re-elected, but it might not happen due to apathy, intimidation, despair, and a thousand other reasons that keep our people from voting.

The polls have been adjusted to reflect this.

Let's show them.

[cthulu2016]

1. This 100% nonsense

"switched to "likely" voter models that *assume* that Democrats don't show up at the polls as often as Republicans do"

What evidence do you have that Dems vote more than pugs, that young vote more than old, that poor vote more than rich, that minorities vote more than whites?

None.

The fact that we do not vote our numbers isn't just somebody's prejudice. It is one the the most established facts in American politics.

[OldDem2012]

3. Wow. You REALLY sound confused...

....this was discussed at great length when the pollsters made the switch from the Registered Voter model to the Likely Voter model right after the first debate. The pollsters and the media immediately claimed at that point that Dems were less enthusiastic than GOPers, and were therefore less likely to vote than the far more enthusiastic GOPers.

Did you not notice the supposed drop in support for the President and the increase for Romney as soon as the polls made the switch? Did you not notice the supposed drop in women and Latino voters for Obama?

Just curious, but we voted our numbers in 2008....what makes you think we won't do the same in a few days?

[ellenfl]

4. imo, good polls foster complacency. i'm glad the polls don't show a big lead for obama. eom

[bemildred]

2. Right, most of them are mountains of supposition built on molehills of fact.

The good ones admit they are guessing.

[zbdent]

5. Rush Limbaugh agrees with you ... at least, when the Repug is behind ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021529003

linked to a good example ...

[dawg]

6. You missed my point entirely.

I'm not accusing the pollsters of manipulation.

If the people on our side would just go vote, the registered voter polls would be the correct ones and the likely voter polls would be meaningless.

If our people would just go vote, that is.

Which is what I'm trying to encourage with this post.