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Midnight Writer

(21,753 posts)
2. Smart people learn from their mistakes. Wise people learn from other people's mistakes.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 10:23 AM
Sep 2021

Stupid people never learn at all.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
5. Republicans have attained a high degree of effectiveness
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 10:42 AM
Sep 2021

In killing off Republicans. Stupid and sad.

mopinko

(70,096 posts)
6. please tell me we are approaching an extinction level event here.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 11:05 AM
Sep 2021

i know the numbers arent like the astroid that takes out the dinosaurs, but please god tell me it sets off SOME.FUCKING.CHANGE.IN.THIS.SORRY.ASS.SPECIES.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
7. This virus is not an extinction level event.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 11:50 AM
Sep 2021

Nowhere near. And as bad as it is, it's simply not making any kind of a dent in the population. Over 10,000 babies are born every day in this country. Right now it is somewhat selectively killing off Republicans, because they are more likely not to be vaccinated, but they are slowly beginning to understand that it just might possibly be a good idea to get the vaccine.

mopinko

(70,096 posts)
8. yes, i am aware of the math. but
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 11:56 AM
Sep 2021

math isnt always as linear in nature as it is in, say, physics.
beyond those who have died, there are those who are long term disabled. it's not just reproduction rates that affect evolution. it's changes in the environment and the social structure that come about more slowly. people will have plenty of time to reflect on what stupid got them.

it'll take 50 years to see how it plays out, but i honestly think we will someday look back on this plague as a major shaper of humanity.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
9. Yes, absolutely.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:30 PM
Sep 2021

I agree that this is going to change things a lot more than any of us can realize right now.

I've been saying this for some time: Pretend it's the spring of 1939, you and I are good friends and we're planning a trip to Europe next year. We are so looking forward to it! We've been saving for a couple of years now, working extra jobs, and the like. We've begun making specific plans of where we'll go. Then September rolls around and war breaks out there. Oh, crap! We certainly won't be going next year, but we're optimistic that this silly war won't last long, ad we'll be able to go in 1941. Heck, we'll just save more money during this delay.

But the war isn't silly, and it goes on, and on, and doesn't finally end there until May, 1945. The soonest we'll take that long-postponed trip is 1946, possibly even a year or two later. And the Europe we finally see is vastly different from what we might have seen had we taken that trip in 1939.

Something similar is going to happen with Covid. There won't be the vast number of deaths (especially in proportion to the population) as happened in WWII, unless a much worse variant pops up that laughs at the current vaccines. But there are going to be lots of changes, some of which we couldn't begin to guess at. I do think that in this country, things like the infrastructure bill and raising of taxes on the wealthy will happen. Possibly later rather than sooner, but they will happen. Changes in work, schools, socializing will continue. Right now it's only the equivalent of 1941, and so we probably have not seen the worst, whatever that will be.

But this still won't be an extinction level event. It's the runaway climate change that will do that.

mopinko

(70,096 posts)
10. yeah, i was exaggerating w that word. i sorta couldnt think of a less drastic word.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:42 PM
Sep 2021

but again, i think there is a huge shift going on in the way we shape our societies.
i think the labor shortage is about a lot more than money. the predatory nature of capitalism has been outlined clearly in ways that only happen in a deep crisis like this.
people all across the spectrum are saying- fuck this shit. there's more to life than money.
yes, a luxury for many. but i've talked to a lot of people who just arent all in like they used to be.
i think this will really impact the way we raise our kids. the human infrastructure bill on top of this, and the next generation could be very different.

it'll be interesting.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
12. I believe you are right that there is a huge shift going on in the way we shape our societies.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 01:53 AM
Sep 2021

I hope you are right.

After the Black Death in Europe, 1348-1350, the population was so reduced that suddenly peasants actually had the power to say "NO!" to the previous exploitation. Serfdom disappeared. The serfs were no longer bound to the place where they'd been born, could move about freely, and could command decent wages.

Something similar is in the process of happening now. Many jobs are going to alter profoundly. Mostly for the better.

I'll offer a personal note. Back in the 1970s I was an airline ticket agent at National Airport in Washington, DC. I was my job. I essentially liked it. Well, what I really liked was the travel benefits, because the job itself could be incredibly difficult. Then, in 1975, I became a Docent at the Smithsonian, trained to give a highlights tour of the Natural History Museum. The training was fantastic, and a few months later I started taking classes at my local junior college. Here's the thing. By doing something that far outside my job, I quickly understood that I really was NOT my job. I was a person who did that work, and I had many interests, abilities, and talents outside the job.

That insight profoundly altered me. It actually made dealing with the hassles and difficulties of that job a lot easier, because now I had a certain perspective.

I think that something very similar is occurring to millions of people now. Yeah, work can be important but work to live, don't live to work.


Delphinus

(11,830 posts)
13. I have
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 08:30 AM
Sep 2021

certainly enjoyed this exchange between you and mopinko - learned a lot on different levels. Thanks to you both!

cadoman

(792 posts)
11. a bit of a stretch to call those celebrities but wow is this thing especially deadly to radio hosts?
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 12:46 PM
Sep 2021

6/12 in the list are far-right, racist radio hosts and I've never heard of the rest!

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