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What does your faith exempt you from? (Original Post) Diamond_Dog Sep 2021 OP
Damn right canetoad Sep 2021 #1
As an Atheist, mine exempts me Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #2
😘 NurseJackie Sep 2021 #16
Right there with you, True Dough Sep 2021 #37
+1000 lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #51
As a Pastafarian, I would say protein. bottomofthehill Sep 2021 #3
May you be blessed by his/her noodly appendage child... lambchopp59 Sep 2021 #33
IIR, the FSM uses they, we, us NullTuples Sep 2021 #35
I stand corrected about that heathen belief system lambchopp59 Sep 2021 #47
Among that belief system, if you're gonna kiss up to one particular deity that's the one. NullTuples Sep 2021 #60
Infidels! All hail Bastet the all powerful. She who must be obeyed. Meow Meow Meow. Marcuse Sep 2021 #68
What then why does the FSM have meat balls? Layzeebeaver Sep 2021 #61
BLASPHEMY!! AZ8theist Sep 2021 #64
Fair enough. Layzeebeaver Sep 2021 #69
Flying spaghetti monster with carb balls IronLionZion Sep 2021 #71
Delusion. Iggo Sep 2021 #4
Boom! NurseJackie Sep 2021 #25
I'm an atheist so Sur Zobra Sep 2021 #5
Good man. I think he read the same book I did, if you know what I mean. Hekate Sep 2021 #6
That should be mandatory reading for anti-vax Bible thumpers. Vinca Sep 2021 #7
Love your neighbor as yourself? bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #8
So, this guy wouldn't be..... SergeStorms Sep 2021 #9
But that's the whole point. calimary Sep 2021 #10
I know... SergeStorms Sep 2021 #11
My faith exempts me from paying taxes. nattyice Sep 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Backseat Driver Sep 2021 #24
Do the Pastafarians offer tax exemptions... Historic NY Sep 2021 #27
Worship its noodly appendege and find out. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #39
Amen BunnyMcGee Sep 2021 #13
Texas anti-choice laws cadoman Sep 2021 #14
Obviously from believing in science. walkingman Sep 2021 #15
Thinking. n/t malthaussen Sep 2021 #17
The most obvious answer nt joetheman Sep 2021 #54
People of faith Jerry2144 Sep 2021 #18
Do you include sarisataka Sep 2021 #41
No Jerry2144 Sep 2021 #46
Jesus called those people hypocrites wryter2000 Sep 2021 #53
Atheists are often as blind in their thinking as radical leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #73
Only the radical element. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #57
That's how SOME of them act. Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #63
Very well said. 3catwoman3 Sep 2021 #19
I am not an atheist, and to my mind, the only worthy goal for someone PatrickforB Sep 2021 #20
Religious assholery ananda Sep 2021 #21
I Know What I Hate! ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #22
being exempted from listening to stupid people ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #23
Dogma Wicked Blue Sep 2021 #26
Too good not to past it around to the entitled class out there Historic NY Sep 2021 #28
I'm exempt from fearing: a vengeful lord, the rapture, hell, tithing, guilt, LakeArenal Sep 2021 #29
Maybe a rel exemption from quarantine for someone with a contagious disease attending their services keithbvadu2 Sep 2021 #30
But If You And All Your Friends Serve Satan DanieRains Sep 2021 #31
Republicans. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2021 #32
Church. Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #34
If Republicans can claim exemption to anything they personally disagree with, so can I. NullTuples Sep 2021 #36
as a pastafarian my religion requires the unvaxxed to be kept away from me rdking647 Sep 2021 #38
I'm no longer a believer. Not an atheist because I don't deny there is a god. GulfCoast66 Sep 2021 #40
Many interesting replies sarisataka Sep 2021 #42
OMG! Stumbled on this piece of work when I googled him LeftInTX Sep 2021 #43
Yes. The radicals hated this. nt leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #56
I found out this sect is a cult that was started in 1980 LeftInTX Sep 2021 #58
I remember when people did not refer to their "faith" but to their "relgion." soldierant Sep 2021 #44
Mine exempts me from having to fly a Trump flag from the back of my car jmowreader Sep 2021 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #48
I Consider Myself A Follower Of Christ's Teachings Not A Christian DanieRains Sep 2021 #49
I read some Religious responses to this and leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #55
My faith makes me exempt from church. twodogsbarking Sep 2021 #50
Stopping at Red Lights grantcart Sep 2021 #52
Same with driving on the right side of the road.. Permanut Sep 2021 #62
The major religious organizations have been silent. Shame on them. lindysalsagal Sep 2021 #59
It shouldn't exempt you from anything... SidDithers Sep 2021 #65
Thats Maine Abu El Banat Sep 2021 #66
Pork, shellfish, cheeseburgers Danmel Sep 2021 #67
Religion DFW Sep 2021 #70
Plenty of faiths claim to be against unnecessary wars and killing IronLionZion Sep 2021 #72

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
35. IIR, the FSM uses they, we, us
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 07:57 PM
Sep 2021

"The Flying Spaghetti Monster is Us; We are the Flying Spaghetti Monster"

The FSM contains multitudes, as anyone can plainly see.

IronLionZion

(45,422 posts)
71. Flying spaghetti monster with carb balls
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:07 PM
Sep 2021

probably need some garlic bread as a side. Fried risotto balls might work as carb balls.

bucolic_frolic

(43,124 posts)
8. Love your neighbor as yourself?
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 05:49 PM
Sep 2021

You mean the ones locked and loaded setting off fireworks as bombs and shooting at midnight?

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
9. So, this guy wouldn't be.....
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 05:57 PM
Sep 2021

considered a real christian by the right-wing, christofascist, prosperity gospel crowd, right?

This guy actually cares about other people's needs. There's no profit in that.

Response to nattyice (Reply #12)

sarisataka

(18,591 posts)
41. Do you include
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 08:24 PM
Sep 2021

Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi? Two notable people of faith I can think of off the top of my head

Jerry2144

(2,097 posts)
46. No
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 09:08 PM
Sep 2021

Because they don’t loudly proclaim the faith. They live it. I am talking about those who go to church and loudly proclaim they are christians without even trying to live a decent life. It’s like they go to a parking lot and loudly proclaiming they are a car. They may be full of gas, but they certainly aren’t cars.

wryter2000

(46,032 posts)
53. Jesus called those people hypocrites
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 10:39 AM
Sep 2021

Biden and Pelosi are people of faith. They aren't exceptions.

How about using Christofascists and stop lumping the rest of us in with them?

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
73. Atheists are often as blind in their thinking as radical
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:41 PM
Sep 2021

members of any religion.

Buddhism teaches that the moment you form an opinion your thinking just stops. If you lose your opinions your mind is free to really learn and understand. Then you can make better and more thoughtful decisions.

They are also big on compassion and kindness toward all sentient beings.

But they do not believe in a creator god.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
63. That's how SOME of them act.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:58 PM
Sep 2021

Not even a majority.

I know, any slams at people of faith is considered perfectly fine on DU. What is not acceptable is saying, "That's a bigoted statement". Yes, being bigoted is just hunky-dory, objecting to said bigotry is a sin. If I were to say, "being a woman means you don't have to think critically or act ethically", I would be slammed hard and rightly so. But say that about people of faith? That's quite acceptable.

3catwoman3

(23,971 posts)
19. Very well said.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 06:22 PM
Sep 2021

I would have liked to have copies of that last paragraph to hand out at the pediatric office from which I just retired.

PatrickforB

(14,570 posts)
20. I am not an atheist, and to my mind, the only worthy goal for someone
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 06:31 PM
Sep 2021

who is devout in their faith (not Christian, by the way...), is to serve the Divine and the earth in the best way possible. Not the best way I THINK possible, but the best way for the restoration of balance.

ProfessorGAC

(64,993 posts)
22. I Know What I Hate!
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 06:56 PM
Sep 2021

I don't hate this! (Yes, that quotes Montgomery Burns)
To Hades with the very idea of religious exemptions from the vax.

LakeArenal

(28,816 posts)
29. I'm exempt from fearing: a vengeful lord, the rapture, hell, tithing, guilt,
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 07:32 PM
Sep 2021

..... being shunned, from attendance, I’m sure I could go on.

keithbvadu2

(36,762 posts)
30. Maybe a rel exemption from quarantine for someone with a contagious disease attending their services
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 07:35 PM
Sep 2021

Maybe a rel exemption from quarantine for someone with a contagious disease attending their services?

You can't deny my right to worship!

???

Some kids still get mumps, measles, chicken pox.

Bring 'em to church.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
32. Republicans.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 07:50 PM
Sep 2021

My faith emanates from Mother Earth and Republicans are alien (life?) forms.

It is very refreshing to read of a preacher stating some rational application of his faith's teachings. Let's hope he and others like him can spread the word.


KY.......

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
36. If Republicans can claim exemption to anything they personally disagree with, so can I.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 07:58 PM
Sep 2021

For instance, my personal faith exempts me from any laws they create intended to impose their religion on me.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
40. I'm no longer a believer. Not an atheist because I don't deny there is a god.
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 08:09 PM
Sep 2021

I think free thinker or Diest might fit me, but I don’t worry about it.

My best friend of 43 years, raised with me in an evangelical church is still a Christian. But the church-goers we were raised with would doubt his claim. Because he is a liberal Christian in a liberal church that believes everything this guy wrote.

Today’s Evangelicals considered this heresy to their version of Christianity. Historically most Christians would consider my buddies concept of Christianity heretical.



LeftInTX

(25,229 posts)
43. OMG! Stumbled on this piece of work when I googled him
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 08:47 PM
Sep 2021

Last edited Sun Sep 26, 2021, 09:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Some Church of God jerk named Apostle Benjamin Tovstiga went all anti-vaxx on him

https://www.churchofgod.net/news/does-faith-exempt-you-an-answer-to-pastor-marshall/

Pastor Keith Marshall is Lutheran

Well, this "Church of God"...looks almost like FDLS and they apparently only have 7 congregations in the US
https://www.churchofgod.net/photos/

About all I can find out about this "sect" is that don't believe in medical treatment and beat their kids.
http://www.familyaid.org/html/0070.html
Apparently this sect is very anti-child protection services....

Boy, I sure ended up in a dark rabbit hole after reading a nice Op Ed by a good pastor!

LeftInTX

(25,229 posts)
58. I found out this sect is a cult that was started in 1980
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:53 AM
Sep 2021

They are really into corporal punishment...

And they sure look it....

soldierant

(6,846 posts)
44. I remember when people did not refer to their "faith" but to their "relgion."
Sun Sep 26, 2021, 08:50 PM
Sep 2021

And I remeber the movement to change that and speak of "prople of faith" instead of "religious people.

Apparently that was a mistake. I know, I know, faith is a prettier word. But you see that "lig" in the word religion? That is the exact same "lig" which appears in the word "obligation." (And also in "ligament," which may make it a bit clearer.)

If you have a "faith" which does not require you to put other people's needs ahead of your own, at least most of the time, I don't think much of your "faith."

Part of the dialogue among Christians od differeing viewpoints has been in regard to the relative importance o "faith" and "works" (actions) in becoming saved Well, in reality, it isn't just faith. It isn't just works. It isn't even faith and works combined. What it is, or what it should be, is faith that works. Pastor Keith is, in different words, saying just that.

And he is taking heavy flak for it. No surprise.

Response to Diamond_Dog (Original post)

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
49. I Consider Myself A Follower Of Christ's Teachings Not A Christian
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 01:14 AM
Sep 2021

Since most American Christians serve SATAN in my book.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
55. I read some Religious responses to this and
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 10:54 AM
Sep 2021

they were appalled . There version of their faith is really anti Christian. It's very self centered. And they are very adamant about their selfishness.

It's kind of sickening actually.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
52. Stopping at Red Lights
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 10:38 AM
Sep 2021

Are you going to let the government tell you when to stop at Red Lights? Why?

Don't want to get killed?

Bingo

Permanut

(5,601 posts)
62. Same with driving on the right side of the road..
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:52 PM
Sep 2021

We are forced, FORCED, to do that here in the US, but I don't see anything in the Constitution about it. Same with your red lights. I'm thinking about driving on the left side of the road just to demonstrate my Constitutional rights.

I'll show 'em.

lindysalsagal

(20,662 posts)
59. The major religious organizations have been silent. Shame on them.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:56 AM
Sep 2021

They should be buying commercial time promoting vaxes, tests, and masks.

Danmel

(4,912 posts)
67. Pork, shellfish, cheeseburgers
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:07 PM
Sep 2021

And bread for a variable week in March or April each year.
And being a self absorbed ahole.

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