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A petty loser cant stand the truth!
Champp
(2,114 posts)Sucker and loser Republicans, as he would put it.
The Republican role model also called our US troops "suckers" and "losers" and his Republican followers seem to think that's just fine. Well I don't. I think a Republican draft dodger insulting the soldiers who keep him and America safe is fugging DEPLORABLE. And I don't excuse the Republican base for lapping that crap up and swallowing.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)The more out of touch he gets, the smaller his cult gets. They will never go away, but wil be more manageable.
gab13by13
(20,849 posts)I live among Trumpers and they are a cult, they are fanatical. How do you manage a zombie? How do you manage a fanatic. How do you manage them when the MSM backs them up? The insurrection has grown since 1/6, states are prepared to enact a semi-quasi legal coup that will be backed by our fascist Supreme Court.
It is worse today than it has ever been. States are gerrymandering as I type this and it won't take much rigging to pick up 3 seats in the House. Everyone needs to stop whistling past the graveyard.
OldBaldy1701E
(4,963 posts)Unfortunately, this also will never happen. Too many people with stars in their eyes.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Too many people targeting "less-than-pure" Democrats (to be primaried, bloodied, weakened, kneecapped) instead of putting their efforts and money toward defeating vulnerable Republicans.
I don't understand that tactic that people like "Our Revolution" and "Justice Democrats" are obsessed with.
OldBaldy1701E
(4,963 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)can be made about some religions growing out of the myths and memories of said leader, but often enough even in some of the better organized cults, it was all about the charisma of the leader. And that dies with him.
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)said something like youve seen the numbers and the fraudit proved he won and they clapped with delight.
One thing must be done and it will take more effort than the voting rights bill and the infrastructure bills combined.
That is requiring companies and news organizations to stop disinformation or face massive lawsuits and financial penalties. I know republicans would twist this to their advantage so there would have to be safe guards.
That and return to teaching civics in school as Sandra Day OConnor said we needed to do or we would rue the day!
I think we are ruing now, lol!!
Silent3
(15,018 posts)That's how cults work. It's better if you increase the crazy over time. Too crazy from the start, and you don't get enough recruits. But you just keep turning the crazy up a notch time and time again, and they eat if up.
patricia92243
(12,590 posts)that he did lose and that he is crazy.
gab13by13
(20,849 posts)I live among them.
KS Toronado
(16,900 posts)If 78% is correct, that leaves 22% who think otherwise. Let's hope some of them will start
voting Democrat because they're tired of being lied to.
viva la
(3,224 posts)About what they truly think. The many gopers, the standard ones, who voted for another GOPER in 2026 primary, do some mumbling and nodding when polled. But some are just trying to hide until he kicks off.
I hope at least a few are just craven cowards.
twodogsbarking
(9,289 posts)Anyone?
kwijybo
(220 posts)they didn't count the missing ballots that were never recorded and were removed before they were ever counted, so of course he lost. There were millions of them. (I'm not kidding, BTW)
I've come to the conclusion they think Star Trek is real. With Obama, it was "they went back (in time) and put in his fake birth notice in the paper" and now it's "they (transported) removed the Trump ballots without anyone seeing them on the security tapes, before they could be counted". This isn't the first time I've run across this. I've also had to argue "the DaVinci Code" is a fictional book, not a documentary.
Celerity
(42,632 posts)Objective truth and the rule of law are being obliterated for 100 million or so people, many of them heavily armed, with the majority now profoundly and scientifically programmed (most for decades, and now to a hyper-concentrated level via social media) to treat vast swathes of the American populace as utter enemies. These death cultists are steeped, habitualised, and inculcated in a centuries-long American history of violence, a turgid legacy of brutality. The ties that bind, the norms that prevent systemic, widespread atrocities from occurring are being rent asunder more and more, faster and faster, as each week, month, and year roll by.
NewHendoLib
(59,940 posts)Ohioboy
(3,222 posts)Add in a good dose of bad theology and religious self righteousness and things get even worse.
We better wake up.
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)have no imagination. Given more time to get his people in place he would have succeeded. If there are no consequences for what he and others did the next smarter guy will succeed. This is as dangerous as anything I could have imagined.
Celerity
(42,632 posts)IF they had House member majority control in large enough renumbers to over come a few dissenting Rethugs, they could have kicked the vote into the House, where they had, have and will have (for the foreseeable future) delegation control of at least 26 if not more States. 26 is all you need to elect the POTUS, and they may have 29, even 30 after 2022, ad there us no state we can flip to take then under 26. WI is the closest at 5 R to 3 D, and it is already (will be even more soon) that to draw even at 4 4 is impossible. The Rethug Sate legislature will try and gerrymander up a perm 6 2. Florida, post 2018 was one seat from flipping, BUT now, post 2020, it is a clear Rethug majority, and the Rethug state legislature is going to gerrymander out another Dem, perhaps conservadem Problem Solver Stephanie Murphy. MN, PA, and MU are all dead tued, and perhaps all 3 go Rethug control on 2022. Even us winning all three doesn't take away a single delegation from the Rethugs, as they are, as I said already, tied.
All above has been verified by multiple constitutional experts and lawyers on MSNBC and CNN for months, yet I see very little discussion here. As it stands (as we very likely will lose the House in 2022, we are already, simply due to redistricting, 7 to 10 seats down before a single vote is cast) the 'kick it to the House' gambit is ON like Donkey Kong for 2024.
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)Celerity
(42,632 posts)split up to consider challenges to slates of electors, the House (as we had majority member control) in its January 6th session of debate (NOT the 'kicked to House' 50 delegation election) would have approved the legit ones that said Biden won. IF the Rethugs had majority member control of the House on January 6th, then they never would have needed Pence. They only would have had to despite enough states' slates (specific ones) that would have left neither candidate at 270, and thus it would go to the House and each state gets ONE vote, with 26 needed (and the Rethugs had 26 on the nose).
Another thing that is often overlooked is that if you flip just 23,000 votes from D to R, spread out in just 3 states (GA, AZ, WI) then Trump would be POTUS, as then it would be a269-269 tie and the House would have elected Trump with 26 state delegations. Even though that IS technically legimately, there would have been insane violence, as the reason the Rethugs even have 26 state delegations is due to crazy partisan rigged gerrymandering (at BOTH federal US House and state House/Senate level) in so many states, and also voter suppression.
Also imagine if all three (or even 2 or 1) states (WI, AZ, and GA) were decided in Trump's favour by 100, 500, 1000 or so votes, and you found CLEAR illegal Rethug voter suppression in all 3, plus Rethug ballot fraud at election official level. He needs all three to get to 269-269. Now posit that all 3 are micro-close AND show all sorts of Rethug chicanery, and THAT combo, plus the crazy Electoral College and the crazy House delegation rule, was how he was re-e-elected! All by a one in a million 269-269 EC tie, plus the literally narrowest possible 26 House delegation vote, and ALL despite losing by 7+ MILLION votes in the popular vote.
Ultra violence, guaranteed, AND Trump would be commander in chief, and would likely open Pandora's box and declare a State of National Emergency, which (this is another thing I try to bring up but so few discuss) gives him (and any POTUS) extraordinary new powers of command and control. Almost dictatorial in scope.
The Alarming Scope of the President's Emergency Powers
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/
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But will they? Unknown to most Americans, a parallel legal regime allows the president to sidestep many of the constraints that normally apply. The moment the president declares a national emergencya decision that is entirely within his discretionmore than 100 special provisions become available to him. While many of these tee up reasonable responses to genuine emergencies, some appear dangerously suited to a leader bent on amassing or retaining power. For instance, the president can, with the flick of his pen, activate laws allowing him to shut down many kinds of electronic communications inside the United States or freeze Americans bank accounts. Other powers are available even without a declaration of emergency, including laws that allow the president to deploy troops inside the country to subdue domestic unrest.
This edifice of extraordinary powers has historically rested on the assumption that the president will act in the countrys best interest when using them. With a handful of noteworthy exceptions, this assumption has held up. But what if a president, backed into a corner and facing electoral defeat or impeachment, were to declare an emergency for the sake of holding on to power? In that scenario, our laws and institutions might not save us from a presidential power grab. They might be what takes us down.
1. A LOADED WEAPON
The premise underlying emergency powers is simple: The governments ordinary powers might be insufficient in a crisis, and amending the law to provide greater ones might be too slow and cumbersome. Emergency powers are meant to give the government a temporary boost until the emergency passes or there is time to change the law through normal legislative processes. Unlike the modern constitutions of many other countries, which specify when and how a state of emergency may be declared and which rights may be suspended, the U.S. Constitution itself includes no comprehensive separate regime for emergencies. Those few powers it does contain for dealing with certain urgent threats, it assigns to Congress, not the president. For instance, it lets Congress suspend the writ of habeas corpusthat is, allow government officials to imprison people without judicial reviewwhen in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it and provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.
Nonetheless, some legal scholars believe that the Constitution gives the president inherent emergency powers by making him commander in chief of the armed forces, or by vesting in him a broad, undefined executive Power. At key points in American history, presidents have cited inherent constitutional powers when taking drastic actions that were not authorizedor, in some cases, were explicitly prohibitedby Congress. Notorious examples include Franklin D. Roosevelts internment of U.S. citizens and residents of Japanese descent during World War II and George W. Bushs programs of warrantless wiretapping and torture after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Abraham Lincoln conceded that his unilateral suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War was constitutionally questionable, but defended it as necessary to preserve the Union. The Supreme Court has often upheld such actions or found ways to avoid reviewing them, at least while the crisis was in progress. Rulings such as Youngstown Sheet & Tube Company v. Sawyer, in which the Court invalidated President Harry Trumans bid to take over steel mills during the Korean War, have been the exception. And while those exceptions have outlined important limiting principles, the outer boundary of the presidents constitutional authority during emergencies remains poorly defined.
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TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Macedonians and Greeks, Rome and Egyptians, Napoleon, Khmer Rouge, Stalin, England and France, Vikings, Mongols...
Yes, every strong society in history has at some been defeated due to forces both in-and outside. It's not whether it will happen to us, but when. the "why" is always the same-- some people just have to have their way, or steal what isn't theirs. Only things different are the details.
Often, it's simply some random happening that rules the outcome. In a rational world, Rall would not have had the Trenton command and Donup and Grant would have fortified Trenton, defeating Washington and ending the Revolution. If Gavrilo Princip had missed, or was stopped from shooting, there might have been a bit more time for Europe to get over itself and avoid war.
Hitler not following up on the Dunkirk evacuation...
The list gets incredibly long, often with dire consequences, but somehow the species survived and often got just a teeny bit better with each disaster.
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)duforsure
(11,882 posts)He has to continue to promote they've been victimized with his lies the election was stolen from them, while knowing it wasn't. He's now starting to plant the seeds in their head their only option left is to take back control by force, again by inciting others to do his dirty work for him. He uses the powers of suggestion and projection using lie after lie for the con job he's expert at doing to people. Just like his slogan to make America great again, coming from a extremist fascist promoting domestic terrorism against America, and it's people. These fascists have to be stopped, and have severe consequences, or it'll get much worse next time.
IronLionZion
(45,250 posts)claiming the audit showed tons of fraudulent votes and data deleted but the liberal media won't tell the truth. Since Arizona has been red before, there's no way things could change.
Some folks forget that even leftist California was a red Republican state through the 1980s.
oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)I know a few of them
NOTHING will change their minds
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)You cannot convince Trump's followers he is lying to them.
kentuck
(110,947 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)No one will ever trust and election again.
kentuck
(110,947 posts)imanamerican63
(13,668 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)TFG remains fact free.