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XanaDUer2

(10,662 posts)
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:44 PM Sep 2021

She Bought Her Dream Home. Then a 'Sovereign Citizen' Changed the Locks.

The official-looking letters started arriving soon after Shanetta Little bought the cute Tudor house on Ivy Street in Newark. Bearing a golden seal, in aureate legalistic language, the documents claimed that an obscure 18th-century treaty gave the sender rights to claim her new house as his own.

She dismissed the letters as a hoax.

And so it was with surprise that Ms. Little found herself in her yard on Ivy Street on a June afternoon as a police SWAT team negotiated with a man who had broken in, changed her locks and hung a red and green flag in its window. He claimed he was a sovereign citizen of a country that does not exist and for whom United States laws do not apply.

Ms. Little was a victim of a ploy known as paper terrorism, a favorite tactic of an extremist group that is one of the fastest
growing, according to government experts

But the strange letters declaring that Ms. Little’s home is not her own still come. They arrive on faux-consular letterhead using the name Lenapehoking of the Al Moroccan Empire at New Jersey State Republic. Lenapehoking was the land between New York City and Philadelphia that includes New Jersey and was home to the Indigenous Lenape tribe before it was colonized by European settlers. Mr. John and his group refer to themselves as Moors.

“The Moors claim to be about Black liberation and opportunity, and uplifting Black people,” Ms. Little said in an interview seated on a staircase inside her house. “But he is literally oppressing me and taking what’s mine as a Black woman.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/26/nyregion/moors-newark.html

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She Bought Her Dream Home. Then a 'Sovereign Citizen' Changed the Locks. (Original Post) XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 OP
These so-called "sovereign citizens" need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2021 #1
It's Moops.... cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #2
I see canetoad Sep 2021 #4
Bubble boy.... SergeStorms Sep 2021 #29
If he's not an american, he has no constitutional rights. Workcamp, anyone? lindysalsagal Sep 2021 #3
Is that you, Mr Scrooge? SCantiGOP Sep 2021 #5
Wtf? Noncitizens absolutely have constitutional rights within the U.S. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #6
I assumed the post was made for sarcastic value NickB79 Sep 2021 #16
His "non-citizenship" is of his own completely bullshit declaration. BradAllison Sep 2021 #26
I guess I don't see correcting misinformation as derailing. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #30
Sovereign Citizens have full Constitutional rights, including the right to a speedy trial... brooklynite Sep 2021 #37
Haha, I did a double-take on that post too Bucky Sep 2021 #33
it's called the law of the land for a reason. drray23 Sep 2021 #8
No work camp. But perhaps could deport him? n/t Whiskeytide Sep 2021 #13
Heh. Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #34
constitutional rights barbtries Sep 2021 #20
To quote Foghorn Leghorn: "It's a joke, son." Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #35
i'm so dense. barbtries Sep 2021 #38
No, it took me a minute, too. That was part of what made me laugh. Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #39
If he's not an American then his behind needs to be shipped out to "East Sovereignistan." Vinca Sep 2021 #7
Sovereignistan is sectioned by "Ober-" and "Unter-", not east and west JHB Sep 2021 #17
Very scary. Moorish sovereign citizens are not the same as the Moors that she is thinking of tulipsandroses Sep 2021 #9
They are a criminal gang Mosby Sep 2021 #15
There really isn't one gang.There are all kinds of folks calling themselves Moors tulipsandroses Sep 2021 #19
SPLC entry about the history Mosby Sep 2021 #21
These are the assholes who shut down I-95 in Massachusetts a few weeks ago. n/m BradAllison Sep 2021 #25
That religion has disowned the MSCs jmowreader Sep 2021 #42
I wonder how many sovereign citizens wind up as mulch in a backyard for trying this on the wrong ZonkerHarris Sep 2021 #10
Does the castle doctrine apply to these jokers? RainCaster Sep 2021 #11
Did She Get Her House Back? Me. Sep 2021 #12
he's still bugging her XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #14
Click Click Boom The Mouth Sep 2021 #22
I've lived places he'd be shot. For reals nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #23
He probably squatted there n/m BradAllison Sep 2021 #24
2 Reasons Me. Sep 2021 #31
Make him a home in prison. Ilsa Sep 2021 #18
there have been several stories about this , if 'Sovereign Citizen, AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #27
Was it Carter Hayes? greenjar_01 Sep 2021 #28
youtube is full of videos of sov cits getting arrested rdking647 Sep 2021 #32
Kick nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #36
Kick nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #40
I kinda hope that happened to the house next door MissB Sep 2021 #41

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,611 posts)
1. These so-called "sovereign citizens" need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:53 PM
Sep 2021

What they're doing is so illegal that it takes my breath away.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
2. It's Moops....
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:59 PM
Sep 2021



On a more serious note, the issue with people taking over houses or so called renters refusing to leave and the cops claiming it is civil matter is a very serious one that the law is way behind on in most places.

BradAllison

(1,879 posts)
26. His "non-citizenship" is of his own completely bullshit declaration.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:01 PM
Sep 2021

But please, let's be sure to derail some more.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
37. Sovereign Citizens have full Constitutional rights, including the right to a speedy trial...
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:12 PM
Sep 2021

…whether they acknowledge it or not.

Bucky

(54,003 posts)
33. Haha, I did a double-take on that post too
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 08:02 PM
Sep 2021

Pretty sure sarcasm is at work here.

I like it when they can still surprise me

drray23

(7,627 posts)
8. it's called the law of the land for a reason.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:18 PM
Sep 2021

Any person on american soil, citizen or not enjoy all the rights afforded by the constitution.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
7. If he's not an American then his behind needs to be shipped out to "East Sovereignistan."
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:12 PM
Sep 2021

Just what we need in this country - another crackpot group of imbeciles.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
17. Sovereignistan is sectioned by "Ober-" and "Unter-", not east and west
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:05 PM
Sep 2021

Actually it's all "Unter-", but none of them want to admit it.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
9. Very scary. Moorish sovereign citizens are not the same as the Moors that she is thinking of
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:20 PM
Sep 2021

They are an offshoot if you can even call them that of the religion founded by Noble Drew Ali. I wish the media did a better job of clarifying that. I may not agree with Moors religious ideologies but they are not what these kooky sovereign citizens are. Moorish sovereign citizens are basically your black version of QANOn nuts. They believe in a lot of crazy conspiracies.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
19. There really isn't one gang.There are all kinds of folks calling themselves Moors
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:27 PM
Sep 2021

And yes, many are criminals and fraudsters that dupe unwitting folks. Many people that claim to be sovereign moors really believe this stuff. I’ve had my fair share of conversations with some of these nuts. Many have a hodgepodge of loony ideas like qanon folks.From anti vaccine to flat earth earthers, a lot of other pseudo science and pseudo history mumbo jumbo. On a side note but related. Does anyone remember the story of Cult leader Dwight York who was convicted of sexual assault? Even they were calling themselves a moorish community.
Whom some folks that buy into some of this nonsense have tried to rehabilitate his reputation. York had a lot of nutty beliefs.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
42. That religion has disowned the MSCs
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 04:44 PM
Sep 2021

Their primary gurus are Taj Tariq Bey and Verdiacee Turner. Taj is the big one; his rhetoric got Korryn Gaines killed. If you watch the video of her traffic stop that led to the shootout, what she spouts is boilerplate Taj.

ZonkerHarris

(24,223 posts)
10. I wonder how many sovereign citizens wind up as mulch in a backyard for trying this on the wrong
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:21 PM
Sep 2021

homeowner?

RainCaster

(10,870 posts)
11. Does the castle doctrine apply to these jokers?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:22 PM
Sep 2021

I think these clowns would leave pretty quick if they met up with a 12 gauge treaty doctrine.

AllaN01Bear

(18,191 posts)
27. there have been several stories about this , if 'Sovereign Citizen,
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:13 PM
Sep 2021

does not recognize us laws , then they need to be exported like all illeagel aliens are .

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
32. youtube is full of videos of sov cits getting arrested
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:48 PM
Sep 2021

they get pulled over and dont have a license or plates. they claim they dont need a license since they arent driving just "travelling"
it ends up a lot of times with a taser and the idiot having his window smashed out as the cops drag him out

MissB

(15,806 posts)
41. I kinda hope that happened to the house next door
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 04:37 PM
Sep 2021


kinda.

the new owner is tearing down the house, and someone seems to have moved in recently in the past few weeks. No idea what they are doing - I don't hear any deconstruction and I don't see anything leaving the house. Who knows.

But yeah this is my worst nightmare! A coworker had a rental house that sat vacant for a couple of weeks. He was fixing the place up to sell and one day found his locks had been changed. Squatters had moved in. The police ran them off and nothing was ever mentioned about sovereign citizens. But that would freak me out to have someone move into a piece of property that I own and try to take it over.
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