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Nevilledog

(51,031 posts)
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:40 PM Sep 2021

Rogue Marine Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller was arrested today and is in the brig.



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Rogue Marine Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller was arrested today and is in the brig. He violated a direct, written order to stop posting on social media.
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6:09 PM · Sep 27, 2021


https://taskandpurpose.com/news/marine-corps-officer-stuart-scheller-brig/

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“Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller Jr. is currently in pre-trial confinement in the Regional Brig for Marine Corps Installations East aboard Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune pending an Article 32 preliminary hearing,” said Capt. Sam Stephenson, a spokesman for Training and Education Command. “The time, date, and location of the proceedings have not been determined. Lt. Col. Scheller will be afforded all due process.”

Scheller first gained notoriety on Aug. 26, when he posted a video on Facebook and Linkedin criticizing the handling of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. In the video, Scheller accused senior military leaders of shirking their responsibilities, and questioned some of the command decisions that were made leading up to, and during, the final moments of America’s longest war.

“People are upset because their senior leaders let them down, and none of them are raising their hands and accepting accountability or saying, ‘We messed this up,’” Scheller said in the video.

Stu Scheller Sr. described his son as a proud American who loves the Marine Corps and has served proudly for the past 17 years.

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Rogue Marine Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller was arrested today and is in the brig. (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2021 OP
Sounds like he should have resigned and made those comments. Beakybird Sep 2021 #1
Sounds like he has mental health issues. Piasladic Sep 2021 #2
Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller, a Marine for 17 yrs well knew the risk & what an Article 32 stated when Budi Sep 2021 #3
Article 32 is a pretrial hearing qazplm135 Sep 2021 #5
Thanks. So which military code/rule did he violate? Budi Sep 2021 #6
I don't know qazplm135 Sep 2021 #8
Conduct Unbecoming alone would do it jmowreader Sep 2021 #12
Thanks. Appreciate your reply. Budi Sep 2021 #16
UCMJ Article 134 is child endangerment uponit7771 Sep 2021 #26
Article 119b is Child Endangerment jmowreader Sep 2021 #29
Sounds like he violated a gag order which will get you locked up as a civvie too Arazi Sep 2021 #15
disobeying a direct order ! get you busted & pitched out real quick ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #17
Article 92, UCMJ - Failure to obey a lawful order or regulation. TomSlick Sep 2021 #31
He was asking people to send money in his videos. Nevilledog Sep 2021 #9
so ordinarily the military qazplm135 Sep 2021 #4
The Marines had no choice in this instance jmowreader Sep 2021 #13
Well, they always have a choice qazplm135 Sep 2021 #14
He knows he cannot do that. It's a UCMJ violation rpannier Sep 2021 #7
He's in a cult. He's so far into the rabbit hole he's dangerous Arazi Sep 2021 #10
Sounds like his parents are as well rpannier Sep 2021 #11
Nope he is not a TRUMP supporter either tarzan00 Sep 2021 #21
You get to do that as a civilian maxrandb Sep 2021 #22
Exactly... So many generations removed from having family in the military--from the draft-- hlthe2b Sep 2021 #24
A lot of the renegades these days reject both parties, and Hortensis Sep 2021 #30
That seems to be the correct answer Mysterian Sep 2021 #25
A sovereign citizen marine. GoodRaisin Sep 2021 #33
This Guy Has Some Significant Mental Health Issues COL Mustard Sep 2021 #18
His parents are asking for donations, of course FelineOverlord Sep 2021 #19
How Republican is that? Champp Sep 2021 #23
If the order was lawful he had a duty and obligation to follow it just like everyone else cstanleytech Sep 2021 #20
Perhaps Lt. Col. Scheller thinks he could have run the Afghan withdrawal better. panader0 Sep 2021 #27
As Eisenhower said, "There are certain inhibitions you accept when you put on the uniform." hatrack Sep 2021 #28
Loudmouth marine thought he was above the UCMJ GoodRaisin Sep 2021 #32

Piasladic

(1,160 posts)
2. Sounds like he has mental health issues.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:45 PM
Sep 2021

Honestly, I feel for him. Getting mental health treatment is so goddamned hard.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller, a Marine for 17 yrs well knew the risk & what an Article 32 stated when
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:47 PM
Sep 2021

...when he choose to violate it.

Perhaps he is in a medical crisis or something not nefarious, so I will simple wish him well.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
6. Thanks. So which military code/rule did he violate?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:57 PM
Sep 2021

Just asking. I don't doubt the Article 32 is for no reason, just more specifically what his public comments is called under military rules.

I know nothing about the military so I ask.
Thanks

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
8. I don't know
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:00 AM
Sep 2021

I'd guess failure to follow orders is in there. Disrespect to a senior officer possibly. Maybe Conduct Unbecoming.

All told probably not enough to get him jail time but definitely enough for a dismissal which is equivalent to a dishonorable discharge if it's at a general court-martial, although I believe they can try officers at a lower level now..

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
12. Conduct Unbecoming alone would do it
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:08 AM
Sep 2021

That’s Article 133. Article 92, Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation, will probably also be added. They might also try an Article 117, Provoking Speech or Gestures.

There’s also Article 134, the General Article, but some commanders won’t use it. My first battalion commander, LTC Jack McGuinness, told his company commanders that if they couldn’t come up with a non-Article 134 charge they weren’t to use Article 15 (the nonjudicial punishment article) to correct the problem.

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
29. Article 119b is Child Endangerment
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 01:39 PM
Sep 2021

During the Bush Administration they added 19 subparagraphs to Article 134, none of which is child endangerment. However, child pornography IS one of them.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
15. Sounds like he violated a gag order which will get you locked up as a civvie too
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:15 AM
Sep 2021
"They had a gag order on him and asked him not to speak,” the senior Scheller said. “He did, and they incarcerated him. They don’t know what to do with him.”


Uhm, yeah the law (including UCMJ) has specific rules about gag orders and they know exactly how to handle that if you violate them

TomSlick

(11,092 posts)
31. Article 92, UCMJ - Failure to obey a lawful order or regulation.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 09:59 PM
Sep 2021

Maximum punishment: Dishonorable discharge (dismissal for an officer), forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.

However, I am skeptical that he is in pretrial confinement which is generally appropriate only in cases in which the accused is a flight risk. I suppose that if the LTC has made it clear he will continue to commit crimes if not confined, pretrial confinement would be appropriate.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
4. so ordinarily the military
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 11:49 PM
Sep 2021

doesn't put people in pretrial confinement.

You only do it if they are a flight risk, a threat to themselves or others, or basically can't keep from committing more crimes.

There would have to be a hearing within 7 days to determine if he stays in confinement or not before trial. I would guess that if he's ordered to stay away from any statements about the case or social media postings, they will release him. If he refuses, then back in he'd go.

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
13. The Marines had no choice in this instance
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:10 AM
Sep 2021

If they didn’t lock him up, he’d keep on doing it.

Ten to one this is the first time any of the MPs on post have ever seen a lieutenant colonel in jail.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
14. Well, they always have a choice
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:11 AM
Sep 2021

a hearing will be held to see if they've exhausted all means beyond confinement to keep him from committing future crimes.
If he doesn't get released, that will tell you he's being obstinate...if he goes back in, that will tell you he violated whatever orders he was given.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
10. He's in a cult. He's so far into the rabbit hole he's dangerous
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:02 AM
Sep 2021

Like several million other MAGAts

#Cult45

tarzan00

(1 post)
21. Nope he is not a TRUMP supporter either
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:46 AM
Sep 2021

He called Trump a liar and said he is the reason the Nation is divided.

He can't stand any politician apparently and he is standing in the middle of the road getting
hit by both sides of the traffic.

You can see this clearly on his Facebook.

maxrandb

(15,298 posts)
22. You get to do that as a civilian
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:59 AM
Sep 2021

You don't get to do that as a member of the military.

Doesn't matter if he is a Democrat, or a Retrumplican. There are avenues available to file grievances, or question leadership in the military. Social media isn't one of them.

It is way past time for the military to start dropping the hammer on this shit.

As a member of the military, the guy is free to vote for, support, or donate to whatever political party that he wants to, but, he is NOT free to put on his uniform, or use his status as a member of the military, to go in public and smear military leadership.

We simply cannot have his kind of behavior in the military.

hlthe2b

(102,141 posts)
24. Exactly... So many generations removed from having family in the military--from the draft--
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:13 AM
Sep 2021

that they think they retain every right that a civilian does and social media only makes it worse. This guy had been around far long enough to know better, but those comments from the public underscore how little the civilian population understands the differences.

Several mental health professionals who work with the military, PTSD, and other related conditions believe he's ill. I'm sure he will receive an examination, at least. If he's brainwashed by "the cult," even though he does not appear to be aligning with the Trump ilk, well, he will face the consequences.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. A lot of the renegades these days reject both parties, and
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 01:58 PM
Sep 2021

the government, and so on according to their personal bents. Virtually all are motivated only only noble ideals and causes.

Somehow I doubt this needless self destruction by a mature man is unrelated to the mass self destruction we're seeing all over -- most of it on the right, but also some personality types across the spectrum who are less tethered to reality than average.

Mysterian

(4,568 posts)
25. That seems to be the correct answer
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:56 AM
Sep 2021

Pervasive fascist propaganda has turned millions against their own democratic nation.

COL Mustard

(5,871 posts)
18. This Guy Has Some Significant Mental Health Issues
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 02:25 AM
Sep 2021

Task & Purpose says he’s going to prefer charges against General McKenzie. That’s just not normal behavior.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/marine-corps-officer-stuart-scheller-brig/

Champp

(2,114 posts)
23. How Republican is that?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:15 AM
Sep 2021

Son blows off the Military Code of Conduct, gets slap on wrist, parents commence whining and grifting. Total Republican BS.

cstanleytech

(26,248 posts)
20. If the order was lawful he had a duty and obligation to follow it just like everyone else
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 02:32 AM
Sep 2021

in the military has to follow lawful orders.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
27. Perhaps Lt. Col. Scheller thinks he could have run the Afghan withdrawal better.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 08:55 AM
Sep 2021

I don't think it could have been done much better. It was going to be a clusterfuck
no matter who was in charge. I'd say that trump's sellout to the Taliban was a definite
factor in the chaos. In the end, the collapse of the Afghan army and the chaos of the
withdrawal only prove that the US needed to get out. Another stupid war, nothing
accomplished but death and destruction.
I'll bet the Lt. Col. and his parents are trumpers.

GoodRaisin

(8,908 posts)
32. Loudmouth marine thought he was above the UCMJ
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 10:45 PM
Sep 2021

and found out otherwise.

Where do his parents run to whine? To the fascists on Fox News. Laura Ingraham. Where traitors all run to whine.

Guess they all need a course in military justice. Disobeying a direct order will get you landed in the brig every time.

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