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Can the debt ceiling be raised using reconciliation? (Original Post) JohnSJ Sep 2021 OP
Yes, but Pelosi has strongly indicated that the Democrats don't want to do it that way. PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #1
Why? smirkymonkey Sep 2021 #5
It's a "blame game"... PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #11
Thanks for the explanation. smirkymonkey Sep 2021 #13
I think they will go that route NJCher Sep 2021 #2
And aren't there limits on how many times reconciliation can be used in a session of Congress? Comfortably_Numb Sep 2021 #3
Yes - I believe so. Pachamama Sep 2021 #4
I was under the impression that 'we' were in the catbird seat? 🤔 sprinkleeninow Sep 2021 #6
She can't use reconciliation, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #7
McConnell will blink. Any default would be devastating to the economy ashredux Sep 2021 #8
Yes. It would be an amendment to the present reconciliation Tomconroy Sep 2021 #9
Now that makes sense, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #10
I've seen some suggest that a third reconciliation measure limited to the debt ceiling tritsofme Sep 2021 #12
Yes and they will use it if the need it krawhitham Sep 2021 #14

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. Yes, but Pelosi has strongly indicated that the Democrats don't want to do it that way.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 04:24 AM
Sep 2021

They want it done in a bi-partisan matter.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
11. It's a "blame game"...
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:16 PM
Sep 2021

Republicans want the Democrats to raise the debt ceiling on their own, so they can say "See, Democrats are saddling the US with trillions in debt", and Democrats want Republicans to join them in raising the debt ceiling so they can say "it's good to see Republicans doing the right thing and taking responsibility for the debt they incurred".

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
13. Thanks for the explanation.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 08:33 PM
Sep 2021

I still sometimes don't understand all the games they play. I could never cut it in politics. I would be chewed up and spit out in seconds.

Comfortably_Numb

(3,806 posts)
3. And aren't there limits on how many times reconciliation can be used in a session of Congress?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 04:31 AM
Sep 2021

So wouldn’t we burn one of those uses needlessly for what should be a pro forma piece of legislation except republicans are insufferable assholes.

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
7. She can't use reconciliation,
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:41 AM
Sep 2021

she then would not be able to use that for president Biden's 3.5 trillion dollar Build Back Better.

Another reason for not using reconciliation is that Democrats would have to set a concrete dollar amount.

Bring it up for a clean vote but make GQPers stand on the Senate floor and actually filibuster. Make them explain why Social Security checks won't go out, make them explain why our active military won't get paid, and televise it.

Better yet, this is my choice, eliminate the filibuster and make Manchin and Sinema explain why they are against it. This is a perfect case where Manchin can't use the excuse that he wants to be bipartisan, every GQPer voted against funding the government.

ashredux

(2,605 posts)
8. McConnell will blink. Any default would be devastating to the economy
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:52 AM
Sep 2021

McConnell will blink. Any default would be devastating to the economy

The GOP wealthy donors do not wish that to happen

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
12. I've seen some suggest that a third reconciliation measure limited to the debt ceiling
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:20 PM
Sep 2021

could pass independently of the $3.5T bill, if the parliamentarian allowed it. However leadership may be more inclined to attach it to the current resolution to push the whole thing over the finish line.

krawhitham

(4,644 posts)
14. Yes and they will use it if the need it
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 08:44 PM
Sep 2021

But they only get one more reconciliation bill this session, so it will need to be merged with the 3.5t "Build Back Better" bill and force Manchin & Sinema to vote for or against defaulting on the debt

It could work out well for us, forcing those two to vote for the bill

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