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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo fill me in, I forget, what would a govt shut-down mean exactly? and when could effects begin?
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)Normally, such a thing doesn't happen.
It could end all payments by the federal government, even including Social Security and Medicare payments, although that is unlikely. More likely would be the shutdown of all citizen-facing government offices. Many projects would go on a delayed basis until funding is restored.
The military would continue operate, although some activities could be cancelled or limited.
Basically, the extent of the shutdown could vary. In the past, just the threat of a shutdown got something through Congress to continue funding while the two parties fought out a long-term funding bill.
Will it happen? Perhaps. Will it affect you? Probably in some way. Will they stop making SS payments and covering Medicare recipients? Highly unlikely. That is an almost untouchable idea.
You won't be able to renew your passport or use the federal courts, and some federal employees would be furloughed, except for "essential personnel," whoever those might be.
Will it actually happen? Probably not. Government shutdowns are very unpopular with voters, so Congress generally finds a way to keep it open.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)... would continue for only 30 days, national parks would be closed, most of the CDC employees would be furloughed during a pandemic, etc.
Government employees considered "essential" would not be furloughed, but they'd also be UNPAID during the shut down.
Edit: Not to mention that if the government defaults on previous loans, it will no longer be considered a trusted investment and it will likely need to offer far higher rates of return in the future... hence worsening any future debt.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)usually they pass something exempting the military for example, but even then civilian personnel are usually sent home except essential personnel for example.
Lot of things depend on what's exempted out from the shutdown, if anything.
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(12,047 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)But the terms are "excepted" and "non-excepted" in terms of personnel who are required to work or are sent home. Calling them (OK, us, since I'm one) non-essential feeds into the whole right-wing talking point about how bloated government is, and useless government employees are.
Many of them want us to work for free, and they really resent the fact that we have pensions (which we fund, as does our employer) and other benefits, but they either couldn't pass the civil service exams or chose to do other things.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)I just did this two years ago as a senior attorney at a military base (O5) and we used essential and nonessential.
And no it doesn't feed into anything, being non-essential doesn't mean that they are unimportant or useless.
I don't care what right wing talking points are.
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)Thank you.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)since we are prefunded about 1 year in advance. Many other projects are not and would have to immediately shut down and stop work. Also a bunch gov offices would close and social security payments delayed and whole host of other things would stop or be delayed. If it only lasts a few days or couple of weeks probably no big deal but if it goes on for several weeks or months then things would get ugly. I doubt that would happen since that is in no one's best interest. Once the stock market tanks GOP congressman will give in since money is their main motivating factor.
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(12,047 posts)honest.abe
(8,678 posts)Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)More meetings in the dark of night I suspect, arm twisting too
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)Midnight tonight would have been deadline for fed gov shutdown. Two different things. However I just read Senate passed a stopgap funding good for 1 month. Still some drama coming.
Chainfire
(17,531 posts)to that goal. Look how they handled Covid! A shut-down sounds like Christmas to them.