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AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:26 PM Sep 2021

Sanders urges House Democrats to vote against infrastructure bill before reconciliation

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Tuesday urged House Democrats to vote against the bipartisan infrastructure bill until Congress approves the party’s reconciliation package, heightening the standoff between moderates and progressives as key components of President Biden’s legislative agenda hang in the balance.

Sanders, in a series of tweets posted on Tuesday, said the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill on Thursday without the reconciliation package would be “in violation of an agreement that was reached within the Democratic Caucus in Congress.”

He also said such a move would “end all leverage that we have to pass a major reconciliation bill.”




https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/574347-sanders-urges-house-democrats-to-vote-against-infrastructure-bill-before
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Sanders urges House Democrats to vote against infrastructure bill before reconciliation (Original Post) AZProgressive Sep 2021 OP
We have less leverage if we don't pass this bill. Walleye Sep 2021 #1
His Party's bill? CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #2
Shhhh TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #3
Yes OK. But he's chairman of the committee for crying out loud Walleye Sep 2021 #4
Well no, it comes down to a matter of trust and the conservatives OnDoutside Sep 2021 #5
So what is the solution. I've been assuming Democrats negotiate in good faith with each other Walleye Sep 2021 #6
Clearly one side have not been negotiating in good faith, that's why OnDoutside Sep 2021 #9
The info structure bill is a Republican dream questionseverything Sep 2021 #11
against? qazplm135 Sep 2021 #12
What is the sequence of events here? TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #7
From what I understand the $3.5 T is the compromise for a lot of Progressives AZProgressive Sep 2021 #8
two paths qazplm135 Sep 2021 #14
We have no leverage anyway with Manchin and Sinema. JohnSJ Sep 2021 #10
This will result in nothing happening at all. honest.abe Sep 2021 #13
He's confused a strategy with an "agreement" FBaggins Sep 2021 #15
So, all or nothing? sheshe2 Sep 2021 #16
The twitter comments don't agree. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #17

Walleye

(31,097 posts)
1. We have less leverage if we don't pass this bill.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:31 PM
Sep 2021

Does he think voting against his party’s bill makes a statement, or does he expect it to produce results this way

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
3. Shhhh
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:36 PM
Sep 2021

Some people think preserving the status quo as things get worse and worse are the keys to success in 2022.

OnDoutside

(19,982 posts)
5. Well no, it comes down to a matter of trust and the conservatives
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:40 PM
Sep 2021

have already double crossed the Progressives, so why would they trust them again ?

OnDoutside

(19,982 posts)
9. Clearly one side have not been negotiating in good faith, that's why
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:50 PM
Sep 2021

this had blown up now, at the last minute. The fear is that once the bipartisan deal gets passed, the likes of Gottheimer and Manchin will kill the Reconciliation bill. And I can't blame Sanders for his caution, in light of this.

As regards a solution from where things stand now, I think if Nancy was to publicly state that she will hold back the bill from President Biden's desk until the Reconciliation bill passes (and agreement that the Manchins etc won't ratf*ck it), then that might well be enough to move forward.

questionseverything

(9,664 posts)
11. The info structure bill is a Republican dream
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:10 PM
Sep 2021

Once it is passed we won’t have any leverage for the reconciliation bill

It’s the reconciliation bill the people want and would benefit from

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
12. against?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:15 PM
Sep 2021

Who is we and what less leverage do we have against what if we wait on this bill to pass both bills later?

TexasTowelie

(112,527 posts)
7. What is the sequence of events here?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:45 PM
Sep 2021

Is President Biden supposed to meet with Senators Manchin and Sinema prior to the House voting? I think that Bernie should let the president continue to negotiate with those senators to find a compromise. Playing the game that Bernie suggests is likely to get us with no bill passed and no reason for voters to want to reelect Democrats in 2022.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
8. From what I understand the $3.5 T is the compromise for a lot of Progressives
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 05:49 PM
Sep 2021

There is no Medicare for All for example in the bill so progressives in the House and Senate settled for the compromises in this bill. I thought both bills were already agreed to as Sanders points out.

I don’t support Sinema scaling back the bill or whatever game she is playing.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
14. two paths
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:17 PM
Sep 2021

1. We pass the BIF on Thursday
2. Reconciliation gets pushed to...the future.

or

1. BIF fails
2. Negotiations get serious
3. Both bills pass in some form a month or so from now

Which path makes more sense for progressives? For Democrats?

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
15. He's confused a strategy with an "agreement"
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:28 PM
Sep 2021

If you get together with 49 other Democrats and everyone is onboard… you have an agreement. Or if you’ve negotiated with some of the opposition you might have an agreement. But merely agreeing with other progressives (even if that’s 90%of the caucus) doesn’t matter if that isn’t enough votes to pass something.

Manchin clearly never signed on to a strategy of passing both bills together. Heck… his whole purpose in pushing the infrastructure bill was to create this scenario. And Sanders’ purpose in pushing for them to be joined was to pressure moderates to back the larger bill. Obviously there would be no need for such pressure if there really was “an agreement within the Democratic caucus”

“End all leverage” makes that clear - since there’s obviously no leverage with Republicans.

Progressives agreed with party leadership on a strategy. That isn’t surprising since leadership is largely made up of progressives. It isn’t leadership’s fault that the strategy needs to change when circumstances show that the first plan didn’t work.

Contrawise - when you make a deal with the opposition in exchange for something you need… not keeping your word is damaging the next time you need their support.

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