Is this the McConnell & Manchsinema endgame?

[liberalmediaaddict]

McConnell:
Force the Democrats to use the one budget reconciliation they have left for the year to do nothing but raise the debt ceiling. Effectively killing the Build Back Better Plan.

Manchsinema:
Basically have privately committed to doing nothing on the Build Back America Plan until next year. And if the Senate infrastructure bill gets blocked by the House they figure that will eventually pass next year because Democrats will need a "win" before the midterms.

I assume no matter what the government will be funded through a CR by Friday and Democrats will eventually have to vote to raise the debt limit by mid-October. And Manchsinema will drag on debates over infrastructure as long as Democrats have a majority which thanks to them probably won't be longer than 14 more months. .

In the end the only winner here is going to be the evil mastermind McConnell. And possibly Manchin and Sinema since they seem to prefer being in the Senate minority.

Hopefully I'm just being overly pessimistic.

[Walleye]

1. You could be exactly right. But let's not hold the week before the death of the bill

[hlthe2b]

2. EVERY time Manchin's name is brought up for the slightest criticism and skeptical question of his

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motives, a predictable group come to deride the commenter and let us all know how naive' we are about who can and cannot be elected in WVA and the consequences of losing his Senate seat.

I'm just going to preempt that whole ordeal now. WE KNOW! Enough!

But, now the onus is on that group to tell us how this will ultimately work out in our favor.

sigh...

[NewHendoLib]

6. yep. they're not happy with Krugman's Op ed either

he called out the moderates too

[qazplm135]

7. bigger issue is Sinema

at least Manchin says he's willing to raise taxes.

[Celerity]

11. +1

[Haggard Celine]

14. Yes, I'm more concerned about her than Manchin.

She seems to be in the process of auctioning herself off.

[berni_mccoy]

9. Well fucking said

[FoxNewsSucks]

22. Well, I see they are unable to tell how it works out in our favor.

[leftstreet]

3. DURec for the term "Manchsinema" alone

[Meadowoak]

23. Maybe we should consider boycotting AZ, and WV.

[questionseverything]

4. To be clear

The once a year reconciliation thing is a made up bs rule too

It doesn’t appear in the

Constitution

It exists only as an excuse for denying the

American people what they need

[qazplm135]

5. best case scenario

I can see is that they want to see if the BIF bill passes on Thursday, if not, then they will realize they have to compromise.

[FalloutShelter]

8. I saw something this morning here on DU that sounded like a possible compromise on BBB at 3.5 T

Instead of stripping programs from the bill, the proposal was to simply shorten the bill from 10 years to four years, all programs intact and fully funded, greatly reducing the price tag.
Then n 2024, after getting the benefit of these programs, the American people get to decide whether or not they want to keep them by voting Democratic.
It sounds like a winner, and it's not half a loaf. No one loses.

[liberalla]

13. I read that too, and thought it sounded like a possible solution.

This is an article from the American Prospect, in a post created by babylonsister:

How the Democrats Can Pass the Entire Reconciliation Bill

[FalloutShelter]

15. Oh thanks.

I could not find it.

[jaxexpat]

10. Sadly, I think your being unduly optimistic.

Right now I'd be happy just to see real elections in 2022.

[dixiechiken1]

12. This ☝️☝️☝️

[stillcool]

16. I try not to look to closely...it's all bad

I believe the end game is the end of the federal government as we know it. Like Putin they'll be divvying up the goodies to they and theirs. I am so glad I live where I do. Even though I know there is no such thing as security, the illusion is helpful

[AllaN01Bear]

17. with this nonsense , i may wind up living on the streets because of these 3.

i had high hopes of the senator from pa, but he has turned out to be a false flag a dixi crat. wolf in sheeps clothing. a fraud . a charaltin. i dont know how this will affect ss /ssi/ ssdi. we shall see. these idiots are messing with my life again and i dont like it one bit. ps : with the last shutdown , my area which is a tourist area wether you like it or not ,was economicly devistated by that stupid stunt.also , biden needs to have a talk w all our seneters and say ,get on the same page or get out. the senetor from pa dosent give a hoot hoot hoot about the ppl who elected him and im sure he is taking orders from the tfg.

[Slammer]

18. cynical gambit

I don't think the Republican endgame is to try to block the Biden agenda but rather to get another item in the checklist of things that they can run against in the midterms.

Blaming Biden for passing a 3.5 trillion dollar spending bill plus raising the debt ceiling is "better" than blaming Biden for 3.5 trillion dollars of spending or blaming him for raising the debt ceiling.

The Republicans have moved into a post-ideological party when it comes to issues of actually governing. I don't think they care a crap about whether Biden's agenda is passed or not.

What they care about is whether Biden gets credit for anything good which happens from passed legislation and whether they can say "it's Biden's fault" for anything bad that happens.

Even if they force the country into default and the interest rates on the national debt go through the roof to the point that we can't afford to have any government other than paying for interest on the national debt, the Republicans will be able to point at Biden and credibly say "but he was the guy who was in charge at the time!".

And the fact that he wasn't responsible for the debacle isn't something American voters are likely to grasp since they generally blame the guy in charge and his party for whatever is going wrong rather than the people who are responsible for the problems.

This is just another cynical gambit among many: what matters is being the person who is captaining the Titanic, not the fact that it is going to hit an iceberg, sink, and most everyone die.

[PortTack]

19. I wondered the same here this morning. But, since they are pushing forward with the

Infrastructure bill via reconciliation I’m not sure the gqp will get their wish. The Dems know the gqp can only vote no on raising the debt ceiling so long before it begins to hurt them as well.

Frankly I would like to see the gqp on the hot seat..force their hand.

[BobTheSubgenius]

20. I'm not sure it's possible to be "overly" pessimistic about the Leg. Branch.

Other than having a filibuster-proof majority, this is about the best situation that reptilian POS could hope for. One house with a thin Democratic advantage and the other even closer, yet both can be defined as "Democatic-controlled." Paralysis is almost guaranteed right off the jump, and not difficult to achieve, even if certain things seem to be proceeding.


Then, if even their semi-allies in the D party somehow fail them, they just use their prodigious obstructionist powers, honed over the course of decades to both a razor sharpness and a case-hardened steel alloy strength. This they use to thwart everything they possibly can, then hang the miserable result around the straw man of "Democratic Ineffectiveness," stand back and reclaim Legislative control.

I hope someone has a solid argument to counter this view, but, at the moment, I envision Joe and the Posse needing some legislative accomplishments that border on the magnificent over the next very few months, but see very few avenues to get there. I really don't think the GOP would sign on to anything that makes the DP look good, even if it was unarguably great, in and of itself, and great for America. They really don't care about America, as far as I'm concerned.

[NurseJackie]

21. Count your blessings.