Quebec about to lose 17,000 healthcare workers.

[Disaffected]

Last edited Wed Sep 29, 2021, 11:31 AM - Edit history (1)

Quebec has a requirement for all gov't employees to be vaccinated so, to-date, approx 17,000 healthcare workers (and most of them front-line) are about to be fired.

This will have a helluva impact on the healthcare system in that province but the provincial gov't still thinks the requirement is important enough to be applied.

[Sanity Claws]

1. I wonder how many of the 17000 will change their minds

when they realize that Quebec really means it.

[Disaffected]

2. Yeah, that's a big question.

Minor corrections - they will actually be suspended w/o pay but there is no word on what may follow. Also, approx. 1/2 of the 17,000 are deemed "front-line".

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/17-000-health-care-workers-quebec-vaccination-suspended-1.6191433

[Bev54]

7. Yes, I wonder too, not like they are going to get a job anywhere else

unless they are vaccinated. My niece is just in her last year of nursing at University. Seems she will be able to pick her job.

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

3. It's 7000 front line health care workers.

who have until Oct. 15th to get vaccinated.
Quebec has lost 4000 nurses since the pandemic started.
The government has offered over a billion in bonuses to keep or hire more nurses.
Quebec has a very strong nurses union, will be interesting to see who blinks first.


https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/minister-dube-says-7-000-quebec-health-care-workers-still-not-vaccinated-as-oct-15-deadline-looms-1.5603708

[Skittles]

4. *LOSE

the word is LOSE

[Disaffected]

6. I always get the two mixed up...

[Skittles]

17. remember that "loose" rhymes with "moose"

[Hekate]

5. Most will change their minds when given a deadline, I assure you

[Disaffected]

8. I dunno, I hope so but

I expect quite a few will come to Alberta or Saskatchewan (where the dumb-ass conservative governments are not making vaccination mandatory, even in hospitals).

[Hekate]

9. Losing your job is hard. Pulling up stakes and moving is hard. You have to be pretty rigid...

…in your ideology to actually do that, when push comes to shove.

[niyad]

14. A friend has been telling me of someone she knows, a nurse at one of our two

major health care systems, who refuses to get vaccinated. She has quit her job, and is moving to Montana. That should be fun to follow.

[Hekate]

16. A year or two ago my daughter was thinking of moving to Idaho because of "medical freedom"...

And California is just so awful that way, right?

For many reasons I am glad she didn’t actually do that — especially since just now Idaho is being slammed with COVID.

[niyad]

20. I am glad that she did not move, as well. It must be frustrating and worrisome

for you.

[OneGrassRoot]

18. I wonder...

As you're all discussing here, moving is hard for various reasons, not the least of which is economic. So I wonder how many people will be able to do so to be in areas they deem more aligned with their "values" (*cough*).

But if a significant number of people do so, it could change the landscape to create even more segregation and solidify that red/blue (for lack of a better description) geographic divide.

I really wish we could assign states for the anti-vaxx, anti-mask, anti-democracy crowd to live in to contain their selfishness, but I know that's not realistic and good people live in those states and wouldn't want to leave for various reasons.

Being human right now is especially hard.

[niyad]

21. It is indeed hard, some days almost pointless.

[Hoyt]

10. I'm kind of surprised there are so many COVID rubes in Canada, etc.

Not that they are worse than USA, but world stupidity is concerning.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Link? There may be 17,000 unvaccinated workers, but no evidence they will remain unvaccinated

So please show the source for your claim.

Edit to add:
Read the CBC story- will be surprised if a significant number remain unvaccinated and end up suspended. The non-professional workers can easily be replaced, and the professionals will be losing some sweet pay checks and benefits.

[wnylib]

12. New York now has a vaccine requirement for all health care

workers. A nursing home chain in my community lost 10% of their employees. Don't know what the professional level breakdown is for them regarding RNs, LPNs, or Nurse's Aides. The state mandate covers all HC professionals at all levels. I think the company's mandate also covers other staff, e.g. office, kitchen, and housekeeping employees.

[PatrickforB]

13. 17,000 people aren't going to walk away from their jobs. I mean, think it through.

Let's say you were antivax and belief COVID is a hoax. But, you have a good job, a job that pays well and has good benefits, and your earnings provide most of the financial support for your family. You gonna quit just because there's a vaccine mandate?

Let's put this in perspective: I don't have data on how many people work in healthcare in Quebec, but the population is 8.5 million. The state of Virginia is a good proxy for healthcare employment since it has 8.6 million poeple. In Virginia employment in healthcare is approximately 388,705.

We can reasonably assume that the ratio of healthcare industry workers is similar between Quebec and Virginia, so 17,000 people is approximately 4.4% of the industry in a state the size of Quebec.

But wait - there is no way 17,000 people are just going to allow themselves to be fired by refusing to take a vaccine. The City and County of Denver in Colorado has 11,000 employees, and only 700 are pitching a bitch about vaccine mandates in that huge organization. Seven hundred.

So maybe, just maybe around 500 will end up finally getting fired.

Anyway, let 'em. These stupid anti-vaxxers are so profoundly selfish they are willing to allow other people to die before they are inconvenienced. So (mah rahts! mah free-dum!) they end up hogging ICU beds that are needed by normal people who have done everything right but have heart conditions or need some kind of surgery. These people are slime.

Let 'em walk.

[moonscape]

15. I have an anti-vax 1st cousin in

NZ who is adamant about her covid positions, anti-immigration, hates Jacinda Ardern, etc. She’s an avid cruiser and wanted to go but vaccines were required. So, um, she got one. The joke was on her though because she got vaxxed then they cancelled the cruise

[Takket]

19. Anti-vaxxers should not be working in healthcare

Any more than people who hate tools should be mechanics or people who don’t believe in math should be accountants.

Yeah this will suck but eventually the system will recover and be better off. I think a lot of people are going to cave and get vaccinated anyway. And when they don’t drop dead maybe they will be better off too if they realize they have been had by conspiracy theorists.

[Disaffected]

22. True on all points.