Let's dispel the notion of widespread vaxx hesitancy among Black and Brown Americans right now.

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There was an OP on here last week that allegedly cite CDC findings that vaccination rates for Black adults was only in the 40-some percent range. I dispute it and said it was wrong and posted a link to a site showing a poll that showed Black adult vaxx rates in the 70% range.

I got push back, but Rachel Maddow herself just last night on her show had these numbers on vaxx rates:

All American adults: 72%

White American adults: 71%

Black American adults: 70%

Latino American adults: 73%

Dem American adults: 90%

Rep. American adults: 58%

So let's officially dispel the outdated and false vaxx hesitancy rates for Black and Brown adult Americans as we now know what demographic segment is keeping the covid pandemic going... the large percentage of unvaxxed republican American adults.

[Celerity]

1. Link please for that data source, as I see nothing that high, even if it is counting

partially vaxxed. Also, polls are useless for an accurate count.

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3. Here ya go. A link from another OP on DU on the same subject. You'll find a video from Rachel's...

show giving the figures I cited.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017684141

[Celerity]

14. Your source at the link is a poll, and it only includes adults

Here is the same source (Kaiser Family Foundation Vaccine Monitor) as your link, with all hard data and giving the % in terms of the total population, not just 18yo and up.

Also these numbers include partially vaxxed as well, so are higher than fully vaxxed.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/




The CDC's data tracker :

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total

As of 6 a.m. EDT Sept. 27, a total of 183,888,907 Americans had been fully vaccinated, or 55.4 percent of the country's population, according to the CDC's data.

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15. I said my number were of adults. And I/Rachel's figures are of adult American Democrats and...

doesn't include those of older, white, male republicans which drag down the rates. Let's understand which demographic segment is really extending this pandemic. It's again, mostly older, white male republicans.

And where does the CDC get their figures from? Is it by asking people? Maybe those figures need to be updated. I think I'll go with Rachel.

[mucifer]

21. That graph says it's full population not just adults. Rachel's numbers are adults only.

Her numbers are adults and one vaccine only. So it's the most optimistic way to look at it.

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23. One vaccine only? But you do agree on which demo segment is extending the pandemic, right?

Unvaxxed, older, white, male republicans.

[Celerity]

25. By all means, go with a journo citing a poll rather than the US Centers for Disease Control that

tracks hard data reports, as well as the State official health departments.

I chose the scientific hard data and the scientists themselves. I will take that over a poll.

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26. There's another post here, and I've experienced the very thing when I got vaccinated. You fill out..

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a CDC form and it asks your race, but it's oprional. Get it, "optional", so please proceed with that.

I think I'll go with Rachel's poll and several others I've seen with similar numbers, a consensous...how 538 works.

[MichMan]

36. Aren't all polls also optional to begin with ?

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38. Correct. And if several polls have similar numbers, that seems to be a consensous. Isn't that how..

538 works?

[MichMan]

41. Pollsters have been so accurate predicting the last few election cycles

I don't know why everyone doesn't believe their numbers all the time

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43. The most recent one being the California recall election. Is Larry Elder governor?

[left-of-center2012]

2. Gee, who are we going to believe ?

Rachel Maddow or the CDC ?

Are there any links to back up what Rachel said?
Do we automatically disbelieve the CDC because Rachel said something?



Link please to her data.
Not just to her comments.
The data.

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4. Here's a link to Rachel's show with the figures I cited.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017684141

I believe the CDC needs to updated the information they're putting out as the hesitancy they quote may have had some credibility early on in the pandemic, considering the history of government doctors and disease in the Tuskegee incident in American history. But that was very early on and most Black Americans, just as most OTHER DEMOCRATS, got wise quick and realized the vaccine was the way to be safe during this pandemic and went out and got the shots.

I'm kinda disappointed in how so many seem to want to believe the negative propaganda about this.

[Rhiannon12866]

7. Yup, that was my video from Rachel's show and I caught last night's show twice

She cited statistics that the disparity between vaccination rates among ethnic groups in this country has largely disappeared. The big disparity is now between Democrats and Republicans. Republicans, even at this late date, are much less likely to be vaccinated, no big surprise.

[Hav]

10. But what the other posters criticize is

that Maddow only referenced a poll while the numbers from the CDC are based on available data of who actually got the vaccine.
I assume the truth is between those numbers of that poll and the CDC but I can understand why one would trust the CDC numbers more.

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13. There are several polls with figures similar to Rachel's figures. I believe the CDC needs to...

update their figures. I mean just looking at the figures for Democratic vaxx rates..90%, Black adults are almost entirely Democrats so their vaxx rates would follow that and logically be included in that high Democratic vaxx rate. Otherwise if it was low in the 40% range of the outdated CDC figures, it would've pulled down that high 90% rate of all Democrats.

[Rhiannon12866]

35. I'm wondering if we'll ever know accurate numbers regarding this pandemic

From what I understand (from Mary Trump's book), the previous administration made every effort to keep the numbers from getting out. At least now we should have accurate numbers regarding the vaccine.

[wyn borkins]

5. Another 'Possible' (?) Data Source For Covid-19 Vaccination Rates

I have NOT verified your data with this specific source (just below); however, the linked material does provide current related information. Also, I am not privy to the accuracy of this data nor to the standing of the providers.

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity (by Nambi Ndugga, Latoya Hill, and Samantha Artiga for the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) on Wednesday 22 September 2021).

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8. Here's a link to a video of Rachel's show with the figures I cited.

[NurseJackie]

6. I hadn't thought of that in a long time... is it still a "thing"?

I was already fairly certain that was over with. But, still, it's good to have confirmation. Thanks.

[Raster]

9. Let's call it what it is: The Covid pandemic is being kept ALIVE and VIABLE by...

...older, white, republicans. Talk about a fucking death wish.

And even worse: Many of the older, white, republicans that are openly fueling this public health tragedy are doing so to inflict harm on Democrats and Joe Biden. Worse: most of the ringleaders and cult leaders HAVE. BEEN. VACCINATED. in private.

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11. Exactly right. And Tucker Carlson and all the rest of that cabal have been vaxxed for months while..

they keep spreading disinformation about masking and the vaccines.

It should be criminal for broadcast organizations to knowingly spread false information that negatively affects public health.

[wyn borkins]

12. A Comment Worthy Of Repetition

Your specific comment is worthy of repetition, so:

"It should be criminal for broadcast organizations to knowingly spread false information that negatively affects public health."

I agree and, Thank You!

[Loki Liesmith]

16. Gotta blame the right people

[Loki Liesmith]

17. That is not a vaccination rate

It is the rate of self report. There are significant social pressures for people to answer yes on this question even when that is not true.

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18. Believe what you want. But let's get one thing straight. Older, white males are the demographic...

segment who are extending this pandemic. Period.

[Raster]

19. PREACH!!!

Republican, "Older, white males are the demographic segment who are extending this pandemic. Period."

[Loki Liesmith]

28. Yes it is a kind of religious belief isn't it?

[Loki Liesmith]

27. No. Don't believe what you want.

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Believe measurable data. Just because it’s fashionable to blame one cohort here doesn’t make it correct.

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29. What's correct? CDC forms when getting vaccinated have a "race" checkbox which is "optional".

So what's measurable data? The CDC's "optional" data?

[jimfields33]

32. A poll? Not exactly scientific

I’ll wait for accurate numbers.

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37. Did you not get the OP you responded to? The CDC's data is based on info on forms with an ...

"optional" check box for race when getting vaxxed. That's not exactly scientific either. So you'll be waiting a long time.

I'll go with the several polls with results similar to Rachel's.

[LanternWaste]

47. I love hipster skepticism pretending to be rational science.

(you realize actual science supports its conclusions, yes?)

[genxlib]

20. This debate in the comments here is important

But I have a question.

Where is the CDC data coming from? I don’t remember them collecting racial data when the shot was given. And they certainly didn’t collect party affiliation

Is it really data or is it just another means of estimating that they are using?

I agree that polls have their challenges but in the absence of collecting the real information I am not sure how else you get those numbers.

[Jon King]

22. I remember race being on my Walgreen's form

Of course it was optional, but it was on there. The typical categories and you checked it if you choose to.

CDC would be using that sort of data I would guess.

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24. And it was "optional" says it all. IMO the CDC figures are of questionable accuracy.

[StarfishSaver]

30. Does not being vaccinated necessarily equate with "vaccine hesitancy"?

The fact that some Black people aren't vaccinated could be due to vaccine hesitancy (some fears not completely unfounded given history), but I suspect that some of it could be the result of underlying conditions that Blacks suffer from disproportionately that contraindicate taking the vaccine.

Is that factored into any of these numbers?

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33. Vaccine hesitancy seems to me to suggest "not vaccinted". Perhaps I should've just use the phrase...

not vaccinated. Whatever the phrase though, the numbers are the numbers from the poll Rachel cites, as well as some others with similar numbers. I posted this because of a previous OP from last week which seemed to insinuate that Black peoples' low vaccination rates were partly responsible for extending the pandemic. I don't believe that and its racial implications.

I also wanted to make it clear that the demographic that is really extending the pandemic is unvaccinated, older, white, male republicans.

[StarfishSaver]

39. I don't doubt the numbers of those not vaccinated

I'm just interested in knowing the reasons they aren't vaccinated.

And I share your skepticism about whether unvaccinated Black people are a significant factor in the overall vaccination rates - given the small proportion in the population, I'm not sure those numbers are pulling down the numbers in any meaningful way.

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40. Also at 71 percent, 70 percent and 73 percent, white, Black and Latinx vazz rates have leveled out.

That's the point I'm making.

[Klaralven]

34. What underlying conditions contraindicate taking the vaccine?

COVID-19 Vaccines for People with Underlying Medical Conditions

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/underlying-conditions.html

This basically says that people with an array of underlying conditions are at more risk of severe Covid and should get the vaccine and a booster.


Want a medical exemption for the COVID-19 vaccine? Good luck with that.

Except for a few specific allergies, there are no known medical conditions that make vaccination unsafe, experts say. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the only people who shouldn't get vaccinated are those who had a severe allergic reaction, called anaphylaxis, immediately after a first vaccine dose or to a component of the COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-mandate-medical-exemption/

[bronxiteforever]

31. Kick and recommend.

[FakeNoose]

42. I live in Pittsburgh PA, an overwhelmingly blue city

There is a heavy population of racial minorities here in Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. However when I was vaccinated in mid-March I recall seeing very few minorities at the large vaccination site that handled up to 4,000 people per day. At the time it didn't seem strange to me, but thinking back on it now, I believe the whites outnumbered the minorities when the early vaccination appointments became available. It was sort of a selfish "me-first" reaction of the white people that caused this, not vax-hesitance on the part of the minorities.

Now it's September - almost 7 months later, and I believe whatever racial disparity in the earlier part of the year has pretty much evened out. Pittsburgh and Allegheny County has a high percentage of vaccinated adults - at least 70% have received one or both shots. That number could not have been achieved if the minorities were still "vax-hesitant."

I believe the only hesitation was due to blacks feeling they weren't getting the early appointments, which were mainly going to white people who were perhaps more persistent. Now in September our local vaccination sites - medical centers and pharmacies - are indeed open to anyone walking in with no appointment necessary. It was the delay in getting the early appointments that led to the skewing of numbers in the early part of the year. Hopefully that is over now.

[maxsolomon]

44. There is definitely a percentage of African Americans that are "hesitant".

Nicki Minaj, multiple NBA players, most prominently. Wiggins, Irving, others are using the "private matter" dodge to avoid having to explain their refusal to protect their teammates.

They cite the same BS objections as Caucasoid anti-vaxxers: "Moral" objections (to the stem-cell-based testing protocols), overblown concerns about debilitating reactions ("my cousin's friend's balls swelled up and now he's impotent" -Minaj), but there is another layer: distrust of the Medical Profession due to Racism.

I'm not about to argue that Racism doesn't exist, but the vaccines are pretty race-neutral. It's not a plot.

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45. True, they exist. They are part of the percentage of vaxx deniers and vaxx hesitancy present in...

the African American demographic. But as the vaccination percentage of whites, Blacks and Latinx has leveled off at around 70%, there is a similar percentage of vaxx deniers and vaxx hesitancy in the white and Latinx demographics also. They're just not so high-profile as Nicki Minaj and NBA players who make news broadcasts with there silly pronouncements and stances.

They're the ones we see in the many videos protesting at school board and town hall meetings against vaccines and masking.

[maxsolomon]

46. right. 30% of 14% of the population that is Black

is far smaller than 30% of the 60% of the population that is White.

I think the finger of blame gets pointed at African Americans because they are traditionally Democratic voters (which is not the same as saying they're Liberals), and therefore expected to be on board at the same rates as Dems in general.

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48. We are on board at the same rate as other Dems on this. That's the reason for the OP, to show that.