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samplegirl

(11,461 posts)
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:15 AM Sep 2021

The Democrats have the GOP Playbook: They know how to fight back

but just won't do it
There's no more doubt about the threat the Democrats face. They see it clearly — but will they do anything?

By CHAUNCEY DEVEGA
PUBLISHED SEPTEMBER 29, 2021 6:00AM (EDT)
Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Joe Manchin and Nancy Pelosi (Photo illustration by Salon/Getty Images)
Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Joe Manchin and Nancy Pelosi (Photo illustration by Salon/Getty Images)

The Republican Party and the larger neofascist movement it represents are boldly, shamelessly and relentlessly attacking American democracy. The campaign is nationwide and multi-spectrum: Almost every aspect of American society is being targeted. This includes basic understandings of reality and the truth, science and expertise, democratic institutions, education, public health, the environment, the economy, the free press and the First Amendment, civil and human rights, pluralism and secularism, and the social contract and the Common Good more generally.

These attacks also involve political violence in its many forms, including the insurrection of Jan. 6 and the slow-rolling coup attempt associated with it, a long history of stochastic terrorism, inspiring and unleashing right-wing street thugs and various other acts of violent intimidation and threats.

http://salon.com

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The Democrats have the GOP Playbook: They know how to fight back (Original Post) samplegirl Sep 2021 OP
Very Concerning... toasty Sep 2021 #1
We are Dems DownriverDem Sep 2021 #3
Progressives are also Dems.. whathehell Sep 2021 #11
Infighting?! toasty Sep 2021 #13
"....demonization of Progressives that have polluted this site for years." ? Didn't you join.. George II Sep 2021 #53
OMFG wryter2000 Sep 2021 #55
We just won the house the senate and the presidency. onecaliberal Sep 2021 #17
We have the Senate wryter2000 Sep 2021 #25
Moderated don't try to destroy democracy. onecaliberal Sep 2021 #50
I had "moderates" in quotes wryter2000 Sep 2021 #51
The control is in name only. When you don't get things done onecaliberal Sep 2021 #52
Riiiight wryter2000 Sep 2021 #54
The media ambushes Democrats with commentary from nazis. jaxexpat Sep 2021 #4
Sadly DownriverDem Sep 2021 #5
I agree we need to be informed. samplegirl Sep 2021 #12
Can we do anything? DownriverDem Sep 2021 #2
How about joining the Democratic Party at the local level? DinahMoeHum Sep 2021 #7
if we play like them, then we are like them. no our party is better than that AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #6
Well that's not good enough anymore LW1977 Sep 2021 #8
When they gain control again being better behaved than Republicans does nothing, Autumn Sep 2021 #14
When they get control again they will NEVER admit to losing again. onecaliberal Sep 2021 #18
Democrats need to realize and acknowledge that. Republicans don't care and when they Autumn Sep 2021 #21
Who is trying to carve out a place form them in the government? wryter2000 Sep 2021 #26
"We need a strong Republican party" Does that ring a bell? nt Autumn Sep 2021 #28
What it means is wryter2000 Sep 2021 #31
That party is dead and rotting in hell. What we now see is what we will get. Only on steroids. nt Autumn Sep 2021 #35
And we are not carving out a place for it in government. wryter2000 Sep 2021 #36
That's nice for California . In other places they are still in power and poised to gain more. nt Autumn Sep 2021 #37
That is not any example of Democrats carving out a place for them wryter2000 Sep 2021 #38
I don't have to prove on damn thing to you. So please, be done with me. I would consider it a Autumn Sep 2021 #39
... wryter2000 Sep 2021 #40
So you really aren't done?? Autumn Sep 2021 #41
Do you think that's what we're seeing? I'm seeing a white supremacy onecaliberal Sep 2021 #33
I think that a "strong Republican party" would accelerate a white supremacy party surpassing Autumn Sep 2021 #34
If they take control, it's Nazis With Nukes. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #46
doesnt do any good to think we're better than that after we are in the camps behind wire nt msongs Sep 2021 #47
Anytime I hear that Democrats "know" something Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #9
Roll eyes? wryter2000 Sep 2021 #27
Well, that too Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #29
Roll eyes, tear out hair, scream for a while. betsuni Sep 2021 #56
Horse shit. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #10
Old Faithful. nt toasty Sep 2021 #16
I like Colonel Potter too! NurseJackie Sep 2021 #19
? George II Sep 2021 #22
Thank you wryter2000 Sep 2021 #24
Right Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #30
It certainly won't happen if we have a core group of malcontents like Chauncey DeVega (and others)... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #42
I hope I never see "no difference" here wryter2000 Sep 2021 #43
Stand by... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #44
PS: I enjoy watching you spar with people over whom you are intellectually superior. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #45
I'm done wryter2000 Sep 2021 #48
Smart move. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #49
I like the way Chauncey Devaga thinks. Missn-Hitch Sep 2021 #15
I always ask wryter2000 Sep 2021 #20
You know what would actually help? wryter2000 Sep 2021 #23
+1000 Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #32
+2000 betsuni Sep 2021 #57
Very well put! samplegirl Sep 2021 #58
 

toasty

(36 posts)
1. Very Concerning...
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:58 AM
Sep 2021

This is an issue that is becoming front and center for many progressives. The big "WHY", that are our Democratic Party leaders have a long history of being out maneuvered, not to mention the glaring perception that they're spineless.

I would suspect this is a big factor in why the political divide always appears razor thin.

I want to see Merrick Garland out in front of cameras. None of this "DOJ doesn't discuss..." nonsense. I want to know what their plan is to keep democracy safe in America. If Garland is camera shy - GET RID OF HIM, and FAST.

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
3. We are Dems
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:18 AM
Sep 2021

Perhaps if progressives got that we would be more united. They insist on infighting which means repubs win. I am a proud Dem. I don't need their label. We need for the Dems to win elections. That is all that matters.

whathehell

(29,026 posts)
11. Progressives are also Dems..
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:43 AM
Sep 2021

They could as easily say " if moderates got that we would be more united".

 

toasty

(36 posts)
13. Infighting?!
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:00 AM
Sep 2021

The Progressive agenda is something the centrists have been dragging their feet on, not to mention the ongoing demonization of Progressives that have polluted this site for years.

George II

(67,782 posts)
53. "....demonization of Progressives that have polluted this site for years." ? Didn't you join..
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 05:35 PM
Sep 2021

....just a month ago?

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
25. We have the Senate
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:04 PM
Sep 2021

Because we have two "moderates" who are falling down on their jobs. If we didn't have them, McConnell would be back in charge.

onecaliberal

(32,775 posts)
50. Moderated don't try to destroy democracy.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 05:05 PM
Sep 2021

Those two people know exactly what they’re doing. Look who their funders are. The blinders are off.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
51. I had "moderates" in quotes
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 05:28 PM
Sep 2021

The fact remains that we only have control of the Senate because we have those two.

onecaliberal

(32,775 posts)
52. The control is in name only. When you don't get things done
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 05:31 PM
Sep 2021

Having control doesn’t really matter. I guess it does in the sense that we can stop them from doing anything horrendous. But just wait until the next election.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
54. Riiiight
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 05:37 PM
Sep 2021

It's exactly the same thing as having Mitch McConnell in charge. He sure would have passed the first American Rescue Plan through reconciliation.

jaxexpat

(6,795 posts)
4. The media ambushes Democrats with commentary from nazis.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:20 AM
Sep 2021

Why else would NPR interview Kennedy for comment on house legislation? Oh and btw he got his talking point lies in.

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
2. Can we do anything?
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:15 AM
Sep 2021

I'm willing to help the Dem Party out. We all should help. Tomorrow is the quarter giving deadline. I will be giving to many candidates. Even if you don't have a lot money, give a little. If we don't help them, we lose for sure.

DinahMoeHum

(21,771 posts)
7. How about joining the Democratic Party at the local level?
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:34 AM
Sep 2021

In your own hometown? Become a district leader/precinct captain/committeeperson, etc?

Work to get out the vote and get Democrats into local offices, which then spills into state and national offices?

It all starts at the local level.

Autumn

(44,972 posts)
14. When they gain control again being better behaved than Republicans does nothing,
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:01 AM
Sep 2021

gives nothing. The American people deserve much more than politicians "playing". Being better than Republicans does nothing to slow or stop their disastrously evil policies and actions. What a poor excuse.

onecaliberal

(32,775 posts)
18. When they get control again they will NEVER admit to losing again.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:19 AM
Sep 2021

Anyone who thinks they will step down and all of these things they’re putting in place for nothing. I don’t know how you will console yourself. Democracy is over unless the Dems act. Period. The writing is and has been on the wall.

Autumn

(44,972 posts)
21. Democrats need to realize and acknowledge that. Republicans don't care and when they
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:36 AM
Sep 2021

get in power again it's over. They should be scared shitless instead of trying to carve out a place for Republicans in the government and appease them.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
26. Who is trying to carve out a place form them in the government?
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:06 PM
Sep 2021

Manchin, maybe, but I'm not sure I'd go that far.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
31. What it means is
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:12 PM
Sep 2021

We need the old Republican party back. Pre-Reagan.

Plus, where does that carve out a part of the government?

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
36. And we are not carving out a place for it in government.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:38 PM
Sep 2021

In places like California, we have put it completely out of power.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
38. That is not any example of Democrats carving out a place for them
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:43 PM
Sep 2021

And I am done unless you can provide any proof that Democrats are carving out a place in government.

Autumn

(44,972 posts)
39. I don't have to prove on damn thing to you. So please, be done with me. I would consider it a
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:45 PM
Sep 2021

huge favor. An honor.

Autumn

(44,972 posts)
34. I think that a "strong Republican party" would accelerate a white supremacy party surpassing
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:35 PM
Sep 2021

the Nazi party. They have proved the last 12 years beyond a shadow of a doubt what their goal is.

Mad_Machine76

(24,391 posts)
9. Anytime I hear that Democrats "know" something
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:38 AM
Sep 2021

or *can* do something but are simply NOT choosing to do something just makes me want to roll my eyes. If things were really that simple, you'd already have to have a pretty low opinion of Democrats to think that they are just literally refusing to do something that needs to be done to save the country if it were as easy as everybody on the internet always seems to claim that it is. I know that the party isn't perfect but to make it seem like the party is willfully complicit in the destruction of the country being wrought by the Republican Party is just offensive to hear. If people on the internet have answers that our current elected officials do, then perhaps, they should be running for office instead of sitting on the sidelines yelling at them.

betsuni

(25,371 posts)
56. Roll eyes, tear out hair, scream for a while.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 06:09 PM
Sep 2021

Definition of "politiphobe":

"They see the contentious give-and-take of politics as unnecessary and distasteful. Specifically, they believe that obvious, commonsense solutions to our country's problems are out there for the plucking. The reason these obvious solutions are not enacted is that politicians are corrupt, or self-interested, or addicted to unnecessary partisan feuding."

The people most likely to fall for populists with easy solutions yelling about taking on corrupt establishment enemies.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
24. Thank you
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:01 PM
Sep 2021

I am so sick of this "blame the Democrats" crap. I have yet to find anyone to tell me what "fighting back" would look like. This article says we should eliminate the filibuster and expand the Supreme Court. I'd like to know how to accomplish that with the tiny majority we have.

Mad_Machine76

(24,391 posts)
30. Right
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 12:12 PM
Sep 2021

Our list of options- mostly because of Manchin and Sinema- seems to be dwindling, just to get the basic stuff done.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
42. It certainly won't happen if we have a core group of malcontents like Chauncey DeVega (and others)...
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 03:20 PM
Sep 2021

It certainly won't happen if we have a core group of malcontents like Chauncey DeVega (and others often quoted here) who continually do their level best to denigrate and smear Democrats and our Democratic leadership with claims that they are "do-nothings" or "weak" or "too nice" or that Democrats are "not serious" or that we "don't care".

This follows right on the heels of the hit-parade of other popular smears like: Democrats are "Coastal Elites"; the "party of the one percent"; "ideologically bankrupt"; "feeble"; "corrupt"; "an absolute failure"; and of course the biggest lie of all "no difference between Democrats and Republicans".

What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

I'm sick of it, too! You're right... it's always "do something RFN" but never any guidance of what they think the Democrats should be doing, and in those rare instances where something is proffered, it's always unrealistic and demonstrates a genuine lack of understanding of how politics work in the real world.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
43. I hope I never see "no difference" here
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 03:24 PM
Sep 2021

I do remember people posting "Obama = Bush" and "Obama is worse than Bush." Talk about living in a fantasy world.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
15. I like the way Chauncey Devaga thinks.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:08 AM
Sep 2021

And to those of you saying, "get more involved, run for office, become a precinct manager"...and so on.

I say NO. I served my country, pursued my dreams and now I have a full time job running a business. I never wanted to be a politician or get involved in the machinations of the political process.

I support my candidates, donate money, scream from the rooftops and will fight when it comes to it. It's what I do and what I will continue to do until my last breath.

The fascist threat is real.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
20. I always ask
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:22 AM
Sep 2021

So what should we do? This person says get rid of the filibuster and expand the Supreme Court. Okay. Convince Manchin and Sinema.

Other than that it’s pretty vague. Message better. Get more organized. Get better financing. Protest.

We can get better organized if we kick out everyone who won’t toe the line. There go Manchin and Sinema and our majority. I guess we can try to find someone to think up better messaging. I am not impressed.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
23. You know what would actually help?
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 11:58 AM
Sep 2021

Rather than blaming Democrats, let's try pointing out that we wouldn't be in this position if there weren't a huge complex of right wing media that fill the American people's heads full of lies. How long was Limbaugh in business? Where is our Murdoch?

The problem is Democrats don't have a huge support structure of ultra-rich people who finance the lies AND the Republican party. And the Federalist Society, etc., etc., etc. Even 50 Cent is now a Trumper (by his own admission last week on Berman's show) because he thinks he pays too much in taxes.

If these types hadn't curdled the minds of tens of millions of people (maybe over a hundred million), the Republicans wouldn't get very far at all. Instead of hearing that their money is going to feed twelve children per welfare family, they might hear about how much we spend on the Pentagon. Instead of calling Medicare for All socialism, they might be hearing about the abuses of for-profit medical insurance. And they wouldn't vote for the current crop of Republicans.

So, let's stop blaming the people who are doing their best with an incredibly difficult situation.

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