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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 05:14 PM Sep 2021

A Non-Progressive In The House Is A No On BIF Without Reconciliation First

KATE RIGA
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4:24 p.m.

A Non-Progressive In The House Is A No On BIF Without Reconciliation First

Rep. Paul Tonko (D-NY) put out a statement Wednesday saying that Congress cannot move on the bipartisan infrastructure bill without a “clear path forward” in the Senate on the reconciliation package.

“Failure to act will condemn the United States to to become a weaker, sicker and poorer America,” he wrote. “The most catastrophic damages will fall upon our kids. For our economy, our community and our future, we must pass the Build Back Better Act.”

Read his full statement here:





https://talkingpointsmemo.com/live-blog/we-have-no-idea-whats-gonna-happen-either-bloggin

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A Non-Progressive In The House Is A No On BIF Without Reconciliation First (Original Post) bluewater Sep 2021 OP
I'm not great at math qazplm135 Sep 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Midnight Writer Sep 2021 #2
Of course the complete quote says something entirely different... Shame. bluewater Sep 2021 #3
that is a false choice dilemma combined with a false frame Celerity Sep 2021 #4
Alrighty, then. I will slink away in shame. Midnight Writer Sep 2021 #5
Ok, good. I cant stop ringing this "shame" bell then. bluewater Sep 2021 #6
What's 'non-progressive'? Budi Sep 2021 #7
I'm usually against a lot of the tactics that progressives have used... W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #8
Looks like no vote will happen tomorrow. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #9

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
1. I'm not great at math
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 05:44 PM
Sep 2021

But if you have about 50 CPC members voting against it (probably more but I'm being conservative) AND you have at least some non CPC members voting against it (we know it's at least one, let's be conservative and assume it's say 5).

Then you are going to have to have at least 50 Republicans voting for it in order to pass.

That would be ... surprising.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
3. Of course the complete quote says something entirely different... Shame.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 05:56 PM
Sep 2021
"Failure to act will condemn the United States to become a weaker, sicker, and poorer America. The most catastrophic damages will fall upon our kids. for our economy, our communities and our future, we must pass the Build Back Better Act."



Shame on chopping the quote off.



and yes, I purposely "split" that infinitive to accentuate the sense of the word "chopping" as a rhetorical device...

Celerity

(43,266 posts)
4. that is a false choice dilemma combined with a false frame
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 06:03 PM
Sep 2021

False choice dilemma because not voting for the bi-partisan bill before there is a clear path for the reconciliation bill in no way dooms the bi-partisan bill.

The false frame is this verbiage:

so I will refuse to act.


He is not refusing to act at all, he is acting to preserve Biden's agenda. Giving up all of the main leverage by just caving into a tiny group of obstructionists (and thus vastly increasing the odds of vastly reduced, neutered reconciliation bill, or even no reconciliation bill at all) would be far closer to 'refusing to act'.

W_HAMILTON

(7,853 posts)
8. I'm usually against a lot of the tactics that progressives have used...
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:15 PM
Sep 2021

...over the past few years, but I'm on board with them holding firm on this.

Manchin/Sinema are the ones being completely unreasonable here. Not only will they not commit to anything, they apparently aren't even offering up what they would potentially agree to. This is underhanded, especially when, if you want to negotiate, you should be doing so in good faith -- ESPECIALLY when you are negotiating with your own fellow Democrats!

Shame on these two.

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