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Celerity

(43,162 posts)
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 06:44 PM Sep 2021

Manchin on Biden's Reconciliation Bill: 'Definition Of Fiscal Insanity' that vengefully taxes

https://www.manchin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases



"Every Member of Congress has a solemn duty to vote for what they believe is best for the country and the American people, not their party. Respectfully, as I have said for months, I can't support $3.5 trillion more in spending when we have already spent $5.4 trillion since last March. At some point, all of us, regardless of party must ask the simple question — how much is enough?

What I have made clear to the President and Democratic leaders is that spending trillions more on new and expanded government programs, when we can't even pay for the essential social programs, like Social Security and Medicare, is the definition of fiscal insanity. Suggesting that spending trillions more will not have an impact on inflation ignores the everyday reality that America's families continue pay an unavoidable inflation tax. Proposing a historic expansion of social programs while ignoring the fact we are not in a recession and that millions of jobs remain open will only feed a dysfunction that could weaken our economic recovery. This is the shared reality we all now face, and it is this reality that must shape the future decisions that we, as elected leaders, must make.

Since the beginning of this reconciliation debate, I have been consistent in my belief that any expansion of social programs must be targeted to those in need, not expanded beyond what is fiscally possible. Our tax code should be reformed to fix the flaws of the 2017 tax bill and ensure everyone pays their fair share but it should not weaken our global competitiveness or the ability of millions of small businesses to compete with the Amazons of the world. Overall, the amount we spend now must be balanced with what we need and can afford — not designed to reengineer the social and economic fabric of this nation or vengefully tax for the sake of wishful spending.

In August, I recommended we take a strategic pause to provide time to develop the right policies and to continue to monitor how the pandemic and economic factors are affecting our nation's fiscal situation before we spend more. Throughout September, I have made it clear to all those who would listen the need to means test any new social programs so that we are helping those who need it the most, not spend for the sake spending.

While I am hopeful that common ground can be found that would result in another historic investment in our nation, I cannot — and will not - support trillions in spending or an all or nothing approach that ignores the brutal fiscal reality our nation faces. There is a better way and I believe we can find it if we are willing to continue to negotiate in good faith.

If there is one final lesson that will continue to guide me in this difficult debate ahead it is this: America is a great nation but great nations throughout history have been weakened by careless spending and bad policies. Now, more than ever, we must work together to avoid these fatal mistakes so that we may fulfill our greatest been weakened by careless spending and bad policies. Now, more than ever, we must work together to avoid these fatal mistakes so that we may fulfill our greatest responsibility as elected leaders and pass on a better America to the next generation."
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Manchin on Biden's Reconciliation Bill: 'Definition Of Fiscal Insanity' that vengefully taxes (Original Post) Celerity Sep 2021 OP
In short, Manchin says NO RECONCILIATION BILL at all this year. bluewater Sep 2021 #1
If so, the House will defeat the bipartisan bill. Manchin needs to drop this power trip he's on. LonePirate Sep 2021 #2
Also, why the hell is he using RW talking points about Social Security and Medicare? Celerity Sep 2021 #3
He is right wing..Democrat in name only. He can't be trusted..Ever. Nt helpisontheway Sep 2021 #19
Because he's not a Democrat? KPN Sep 2021 #23
I think he is putting his own political welfare ahead of the best interests of the country. totodeinhere Sep 2021 #4
He isn't even up for re-election until 2024 (if he even runs) and Justice has outflanked him on both Celerity Sep 2021 #6
I disagree. This press release is just a charade. He's putting hiow own personal financial KPN Sep 2021 #22
Do your job, progressives. Call his bluff on the bipartisan bill because if he prevails we'll lose.. brush Sep 2021 #5
Manchin should read The Deficit Myth kewhawaii Sep 2021 #7
The 'bazooka': Modern Monetary Theory in action Celerity Sep 2021 #8
It's the "vengefully tax" part that really pisses me off. Goodheart Sep 2021 #9
it all pisses me off qazplm135 Sep 2021 #10
corporations are talking . . . Lovie777 Sep 2021 #12
Blah, blah, blah. Fuck.That.Guy. Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #11
this NewHendoLib Sep 2021 #17
Am I allowed to question his Democratic bona fides? Lunabell Sep 2021 #13
I always try to blame and credit the voters where appropriate. gulliver Sep 2021 #14
Keep 'em hungry and desperate or they'll never Haggard Celine Sep 2021 #15
signed yours truly, M. McConnell nt msongs Sep 2021 #16
Let him keep talking, it only makes progressive look more sane wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #18
Fuckin-a right. n/t aocommunalpunch Sep 2021 #20
This guy's a Democrat? Bullshit ... KPN Sep 2021 #21

Celerity

(43,162 posts)
3. Also, why the hell is he using RW talking points about Social Security and Medicare?
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 06:50 PM
Sep 2021
when we can't even pay for the essential social programs, like Social Security and Medicare, is the definition of fiscal insanity.

totodeinhere

(13,057 posts)
4. I think he is putting his own political welfare ahead of the best interests of the country.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 06:53 PM
Sep 2021

Yes, West Virginia is a very red state. And I supposed some of his constituents approve. But sometimes an office holder needs to have some political courage and support what is best for the country and let the chips fall where they may.

Celerity

(43,162 posts)
6. He isn't even up for re-election until 2024 (if he even runs) and Justice has outflanked him on both
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 06:57 PM
Sep 2021

the left and the right. He barely won in 2018 with that huge Blue Wave at his back, which he likely will not have in 2024.

KPN

(15,638 posts)
22. I disagree. This press release is just a charade. He's putting hiow own personal financial
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:15 PM
Sep 2021

interests ahead of the country.

brush

(53,745 posts)
5. Do your job, progressives. Call his bluff on the bipartisan bill because if he prevails we'll lose..
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 06:55 PM
Sep 2021

our Congressional majorities anyway.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
10. it all pisses me off
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:06 PM
Sep 2021

but it's just a shot at Biden to be honest, I mean, he's for this bill in it's entirety. He thinks he's hippie punching but he's Joe punching too.

Lovie777

(12,218 posts)
12. corporations are talking . . .
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:10 PM
Sep 2021

and paying big bucks to him and AZ senator.

And it's ok for the working class to pay the brunt of the taxes. Shame on them.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,556 posts)
11. Blah, blah, blah. Fuck.That.Guy.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:10 PM
Sep 2021

Ignore what he says, focus on what he does.

We’ll see what the next couple of weeks brings.

gulliver

(13,171 posts)
14. I always try to blame and credit the voters where appropriate.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:15 PM
Sep 2021

Manchin only has the leverage he has because non-Dem voters and Dem nonvoters made the power balance so close.

Haggard Celine

(16,838 posts)
15. Keep 'em hungry and desperate or they'll never
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:15 PM
Sep 2021

agree to work the shitty jobs that are available. And making people like Donald Trump pay taxes is just being vengeful.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
18. Let him keep talking, it only makes progressive look more sane
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:19 PM
Sep 2021

And the leadership that doesn't threaten to torch this guy do not end up looking good either.

KPN

(15,638 posts)
21. This guy's a Democrat? Bullshit ...
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:10 PM
Sep 2021

so what "great nations throughout history have been weakened by careless spending"? Any that have weren't great nations in the first place and didn't spend carelessly on building a strong working class. They spent on expansionism. Fuck Joe Manchin.

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