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applegrove

(118,642 posts)
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:29 PM Sep 2021

Kysten Sinema Faces Growing Revolt at Home

Kysten Sinema Faces Growing Revolt at Home

September 29, 2021 at 4:48 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 194 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/09/29/kysten-sinema-faces-growing-revolt-at-home/

"SNIP.....

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) “is facing a growing political revolt at home from the voters who once counted themselves among her most devoted supporters,” the New York Times reports.

“Many of the state’s most fervent Democrats now see her as an obstructionist whose refusal to sign onto a major social policy and climate change bill has helped imperil the party’s agenda.”

.......SNIP"


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Sinema Is Not Viewed Favorably by Arizona Democrats

September 29, 2021 at 3:09 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 234 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/09/29/kyrsten-sinema-is-not-viewed-favorably-by-arizona-democrats/

"SNIP.......

A new Civiqs poll in Arizona finds Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) with a dismal 17% to 65% favorable rating among Democratic voters.

Among independent voters, she has only a 27% favorable rating.

.......SNIP"

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Kysten Sinema Faces Growing Revolt at Home (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2021 OP
I doubt that she cares. brer cat Sep 2021 #1
probably doesn't even include Arizona stillcool Sep 2021 #9
Nope. Cushy seat on some Pharma board of directors. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #40
I'm assuming no Demguy81 Sep 2021 #2
I don't think "others" enter into her thoughts at all. Phoenix61 Sep 2021 #5
You are "willing to give up D control of the Senate" on Sinema's account? Are you nuts?! Hekate Sep 2021 #12
Yeah. Demguy81 Sep 2021 #14
Please please....remember SCOTUS! If you think 6-3 conservative is bad. 7-2 OMFG!! PortTack Sep 2021 #18
You are "willing to give up D control of the Senate" on Sinema's account? Are you nuts?! LenaBaby61 Sep 2021 #21
Actually, not. We have the numbers plus the Veep. We barely have the numbers. They make all... Hekate Sep 2021 #33
I get the math Hekate .... LenaBaby61 Sep 2021 #35
Welcome to DU! IronLionZion Sep 2021 #31
she couldn't be more revolting NewHendoLib Sep 2021 #3
does she think she is still in high school nt msongs Sep 2021 #4
Yes and she doesn't even care she figures 4 years from now things will be different Tribetime Sep 2021 #23
Let them eat cake... PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #6
No amount of money is going to save her. BlueNProud Sep 2021 #7
She's earned it. 2naSalit Sep 2021 #8
Question - does AZ have a recall process? haele Sep 2021 #10
States cannot recall sitting members of the US congress. vsrazdem Sep 2021 #11
Republican lobbyists would hire her! I wonder with her recent no vote of confidence by AZ Dems PortTack Sep 2021 #19
Methinks The Wizard Sep 2021 #13
Someone should ask Sinema if she has any interest in addressing climate change dlk Sep 2021 #15
What happened to John McCain's ratings moondust Sep 2021 #16
I think you hit it spot on. Demguy81 Sep 2021 #17
roger ebert, but yeah. mopinko Sep 2021 #36
I suspect she's one and done. BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #20
AGREE .... LenaBaby61 Sep 2021 #22
The power, money and fame went to her head Miguelito Loveless Sep 2021 #24
Tried calling her DC and Tucson office MLAA Sep 2021 #25
Yup, every bit helps. Especially if you are a constituent. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2021 #39
Exactly MLAA Sep 2021 #41
I don' trust anyone who's buds with Meghan McCain dlk Sep 2021 #26
As a Dem she is done here. kairos12 Sep 2021 #27
Hope some investigative reporter Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #28
I DESPISE her with a passion! Richard58 Sep 2021 #29
To be a high paid lobbyist, doesn't she need access? Dave says Sep 2021 #34
That's because she is REVOLTING! BigmanPigman Sep 2021 #30
S&M don't care what their constituents think about them. If they sabotage Biden's agenda LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2021 #32
How can Kysten Sinema be so careless with the future of our nation? UCmeNdc Sep 2021 #37
Kyrsten Sinema Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #38
How do you think I feel.. luckykate54 Sep 2021 #42

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
1. I doubt that she cares.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:31 PM
Sep 2021

I don't know what her future plans are, but I don't think it includes reelection to the Senate.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
9. probably doesn't even include Arizona
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:55 PM
Sep 2021

although, things go their way they won't have to worry about elections. Might as well line up at the trough and scoop up what they can. Reminds me of this article from a while back


https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2019/12/16/gangs-and-gulags-how-vladimir-putin-utilizes-organized-crime-to-power-his-mafia-state/
The criminal underworld is thriving like never before in Europe. The individuals and groups are not random; they are highly organized, well-funded and responsible for rising levels of cyberterrorism, money laundering and murder. Fortune Magazine lists the Solntsevskaya Bratva, alternately known as the Russian mafia, as the largest organized crime group in the world and it ranks above both the Japanese Yakuza and the Mexican Sinaloa cartel in terms of overall revenue. More interesting than its current standing is how it achieved its status. From a culture that encouraged crime to a government that aided and abetted it, the Russian Federation has become a hotbed for a growing criminal underworld.

Soviet-era repression has given way to a marriage between kleptocracy and organized crime. Among industrialized nations, Russia’s relationship with crime is uniquely symbiotic. Organized crime in Russia has blossomed as an outgrowth of the political machine. Mafia cells have undertaken assassination attempts, facilitated coercion and acted as tools for the assorted and sundry dirty jobs the Russian elites require.
********************************

These newly established enforcers formed the seedy underbelly of Russian society that expanded upon the collapse of the U.S.S.R. and the move towards free-market practices. Since his rise, Vladimir Putin has incentivized gangsters to do his bidding in a new way. Rather than overt collusion, the Russian government, as ABC puts it, “make[s] its views known” and allows gangs to operate within the guidelines set forward by Putin.

Demguy81

(79 posts)
2. I'm assuming no
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:33 PM
Sep 2021

But, is there any way for Schumer to kick her out of the Democratic caucus?

I somewhat understand Manchin's schtick. He has to show some sort of fight to play well as a D in WV, but he at least knows when to sit down and deal.

On the other hand, I think Sinema is a sociopath, who really enjoys seeing people suffer. At this point, I'm willing to give up D control of the Senate if we have to spend another 1.5+ years of placating this obvious unstable and demented person.

We already had to deal with an unstable maniac in the White House for 4 years, please let's not do this again.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
5. I don't think "others" enter into her thoughts at all.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:38 PM
Sep 2021

She enjoys being the center of attention and the brief moment in her life when she has some power. I don’t think she’s smart enough to realize her behavior is going to cost her.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
12. You are "willing to give up D control of the Senate" on Sinema's account? Are you nuts?!
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:19 PM
Sep 2021

Do you have any idea at all what that even means?

Goods gods.

Demguy81

(79 posts)
14. Yeah.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:25 PM
Sep 2021

Don't get me wrong, I see it as a last ditch option, but at this rate, placating someone with zero ideology, zero ethics, and zero morals isn't going to result in anything good in the midterms. Better use this time to play hardball with politicians who think this is some sort of joke.

Rewarding Sinema's inane obstruction will be more damaging in the long run.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
21. You are "willing to give up D control of the Senate" on Sinema's account? Are you nuts?!
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:03 PM
Sep 2021

The GQP are pretty much controlling the Senate because the man from WV and the clown from Arizona are on THEIR side .....

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
33. Actually, not. We have the numbers plus the Veep. We barely have the numbers. They make all...
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 11:18 PM
Sep 2021

… the difference in the world. Those numbers, bare as they are, mean committee heads and committee assignments and whether or not Mitch McConnell gets to shove through yet another Supreme Court Justice.

My gods I cannot believe there is a DUer anywhere who does not understand that math.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
35. I get the math Hekate ....
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 12:07 AM
Sep 2021

But the dark money man from WV and the dark money woman from Arizona are effectively doing real damage to the party, and what if very little gets done with Pres. Biden's agenda, and they severely curtail it? I get the numbers, but numbers don't matter very much right now, especially since you have people in the party we voted for doing the other party's dirty work for them. Where was the man from WV when the tRump/GQP passed their trillions of dollars in tax cuts for the rich that only helped the rich/corporations? Oh, so now this bill which will help many Americans and drive down inflation over 10 years costs too much? That tax cut for the rich is MOSTLY what drove up this current deficit that the GQP refuses to pay for, and now they want to shut the government down (Thank God that was averted) and not raise the debt ceiling to pay for THEIR tax cuts for the rich from 2019? The GQP want to destroy Biden and blow up his agenda and make sure he doesn't get re-elected and they do take the house/senate/and possibly the White House--if they can steal enough votes. Oh God, that's another story.

As far as McConnell goes, his filthy hands are clean as a whistle. What if Biden has a chance to appoint someone to the high court and the clown from WV doesn't like that pick, and announces aloud that the person being looked at is too liberal for the high court? Then what be forced to put another centerist, white male up there that Manchin (and his donors) like? It's been rumored for a while that Pres. Biden very much wants to place a black female on the high court and if Manchin torpedo's that, you talk about losing voters. Black women who've been fiercely loyal to Dems will not vote, as they will say to themselves, loyalty doesn't matter, only our votes. McConnell connived and he has his Federalists and stepford judge on the high court, but if Manchin (and his donors) don't like Biden's pick to the high court, and especially if its a black female? The votes would matter than, as we'd have 50 + 1 with vp Harris. But if it's torpedoed by dark money Manchin, or that dark money Sinema.

I agree with Rob Reiner, and Fernand Amandi.








The guy from WV and the gal from Az. is doing the work of the GQP/US Taliban for them. They sure as hell aren't working as Dems, or for who voted them into office.




IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
31. Welcome to DU!
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:15 PM
Sep 2021

her value to us is in having the D next to her name to give us a very narrow majority.

Tribetime

(4,692 posts)
23. Yes and she doesn't even care she figures 4 years from now things will be different
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:15 PM
Sep 2021

I'm beginning to wonder how smart she is

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
6. Let them eat cake...
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:39 PM
Sep 2021
She literally carried a cake to the Senate when she voted against Sen. Bernie Sanders’ proposal to keep the $15-an-hour wage hike in the $1.9 billion COVID-19 relief plan.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/elviadiaz/2021/03/05/sen-kyrsten-sinema-brings-cake-kills-minimum-wage/4595660001/

haele

(12,650 posts)
10. Question - does AZ have a recall process?
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:04 PM
Sep 2021

I don't see how anyone would want to hire her as a lobbyist or spokesperson after her antics in the Senate.

Haele

PortTack

(32,762 posts)
19. Republican lobbyists would hire her! I wonder with her recent no vote of confidence by AZ Dems
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:56 PM
Sep 2021

If she plans on running in ‘24 as a gqp. She can point to her obstructionism and say see. Thing is...she’s a bisexual woman...they won’t consider her as a candidate. You would think that she would have enough critical thinking skills that she could see that...she only ran as a dem in the first place because she wasn’t accepted by the AZ gqp.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
13. Methinks
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:20 PM
Sep 2021

she's getting Republican / Putin bribes sent to an offshore money laundry. No chance of getting elected again.

dlk

(11,561 posts)
15. Someone should ask Sinema if she has any interest in addressing climate change
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:26 PM
Sep 2021

There’s too much focus on the reconciliation bill’s price tag and not nearly enough about what it addresses.

moondust

(19,979 posts)
16. What happened to John McCain's ratings
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:34 PM
Sep 2021

in AZ after he saved the ACA? Is Sinema (stupidly) trying to be a big "star" by maybe single-handedly defying her party like McCain did?



Her history of zigzagging may suggest she does whatever gets the most attention.

Demguy81

(79 posts)
17. I think you hit it spot on.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:37 PM
Sep 2021

Bit of a tangent, but it reminds me of Robert Ebert's (RIP) review of the terrible movie Battlefield Earth:

"The director, Roger Christian, has learned from better films that directors sometimes tilt their cameras,"..."but he has not learned why"

I think the same thing applies to Sinema. She saw McCain's "maverick" tendencies, but has never bothered to delve deep in his strategy, thinking rather naively, "If I just vote against my party, people will respect me like McCain".

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
20. I suspect she's one and done.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 08:59 PM
Sep 2021

She’s probably lining up a lucrative deal at a right wing lobbying firm.

MLAA

(17,288 posts)
25. Tried calling her DC and Tucson office
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:31 PM
Sep 2021

Both phone mails were full. I emailed her with my disgust and said if she didn’t support the Democratic Party Agenda and ending the filibuster should Pelosi/Schumer find it necessary I would not vote for again. I included the true statement that 15 of my politically engaged friends/acquaintances felt the same. I said she was putting donors ahead of her constituents and her her campaign promises.

I’ve previously left similar phone mails.

I don’t expect it to help, but it can’t hurt. Hopefully the polling will get her attention.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
39. Yup, every bit helps. Especially if you are a constituent.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 04:39 PM
Sep 2021

What I think those that live under her thumb.....ing her nose at them, is to target the main companies that are her biggest donors. Consequence culture. Put money towards full page ads against them.....unless they come out against her positions to derail the Democratic agenda, which the majority of Americans want.

Because at this point it seems like she's made it clear that they are who she values the most, not the Democrats that voted for her.

Richard58

(239 posts)
29. I DESPISE her with a passion!
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:07 PM
Sep 2021

Sinema lied to her voters back in Arizona. She told them she was a progressive Democrat and was all for a $15 an hour minimum wage, taxing the rich, infrastructure spending, etc. But once she got into office she did a total 180! Now she acts like a right-wing Republican! No $15 an hour minimum wage! No taxes on the rich! No legislation to bring down drug prices! NOTHING!
Of course she has received million in corporate donations since coming to Congress and so she chucked her progressive ideas out the door for cash! What a total corporate whore she is! She needs to be recalled ASAP! She will not be reelected of course but I am sure she has a cushy, big-bucks corporate lobbyist job lined up. She is a disgrace!

Dave says

(4,616 posts)
34. To be a high paid lobbyist, doesn't she need access?
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 11:23 PM
Sep 2021

Democratic doors will be closed to her. Republican? They’re playing her and will drop her like a rock as soon as she no longer possesses obstructing power.

32. S&M don't care what their constituents think about them. If they sabotage Biden's agenda
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:22 PM
Sep 2021

and the GQP takes the Senate, they'll both switch parties which will increase the majority by two and decrease the minority by two.

We already know both Manchin and Sinema are supported by donors whose goals are antithetical to the Democrats, so it's quite possible that they've been paid off for their intransigence, with the promise of a greater reward once they switch.

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
38. Kyrsten Sinema
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 09:51 AM
Sep 2021

seems to want to be a Democratic incarnation of John McCain, however she lost the plot somewhere. McCain did occasionally stand up to his party and reveled in his "maverick" status, but he wasn't mindlessly obstructionist with his own party either and still stuck with his team on most votes. I think that her cluelessness was best epitomized by trying to re-create that moment when McCain thumbed down the ACA repeal- with the $15 minimum wage hike.

luckykate54

(50 posts)
42. How do you think I feel..
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:14 PM
Sep 2021

MY senator is Sinema and my rep is gosark YUK. I want both of them gone gone gone!

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