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struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 05:49 AM Sep 2021

Covid now killing rural Americans at twice the rate of urbanites

Rural Americans are dying of covid at more than twice the rate of their urban counterparts — a divide that health experts say is likely to widen as access to medical care shrinks for a population that tends to be older, sicker, heavier, poorer and less vaccinated.

While the initial surge of covid-19 deaths skipped over much of rural America, where roughly 15% of Americans live, nonmetropolitan mortality rates quickly started to outpace those of metropolitan areas as the virus spread nationwide before vaccinations became available, according to data from the Rural Policy Research Institute.

Since the pandemic began, about 1 in 434 rural Americans have died of covid, compared with roughly 1 in 513 urban Americans, the institute’s data shows. And though vaccines have reduced overall covid death rates since the winter peak, rural mortality rates are now more than double urban rates — and accelerating quickly ...

Part of the problem is that covid incidence rates in September were roughly 54% higher in rural areas than elsewhere, said Fred Ullrich, a University of Iowa College of Public Health research analyst who co-authored the institute’s report. He said the analysis compared the rates of nonmetropolitan, or rural, areas and metropolitan, or urban, areas. In 39 states, he added, rural counties had higher rates of covid than their urban counterparts ...

https://khn.org/news/article/covid-death-rate-rural-america/

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Covid now killing rural Americans at twice the rate of urbanites (Original Post) struggle4progress Sep 2021 OP
Rural counties have lower vaxx rates. LisaL Sep 2021 #1
I know right OldBaldy1701E Sep 2021 #5
:) You'd be a lot less happy when 80 million people ignored you Hortensis Sep 2021 #28
If I made what those people made OldBaldy1701E Oct 2021 #37
And less available health resources. Midnight Writer Sep 2021 #21
Yes, but vaccination was fairly quickly available to virtually every community. Hortensis Sep 2021 #30
I Sub In A Small Town ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #31
We were in Florida then, and vaccinations were being given earliest Hortensis Sep 2021 #33
I Do Recall That ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #34
Yes. Before the mandates, 91% of over-65s were vaccinated though. Hortensis Sep 2021 #35
Right wing Republican country radio Champp Sep 2021 #2
+1 n/t Vogon_Glory Sep 2021 #3
Yes, they are practically egging-on people to go out and get covid. hadEnuf Sep 2021 #25
That's a lot of Missouri and our rural areas are leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #4
I was reading comments on a COVID Dr. Shepper Sep 2021 #6
Apparently they have a stupid god. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #20
Oh well.... Sherman A1 Sep 2021 #7
I live in a rural county in Virginia, of course very red, phylny Sep 2021 #8
Sounds like where I am in Illinois. Are you seeing behavioral changes lately? Midnight Writer Sep 2021 #23
Also, Illinois ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #32
Republicans are systematically killing their voters. And their voters are applauding it. Botany Sep 2021 #9
So where's the problem in this? bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #10
problem is it leaves us understaffed if there is a war, an attack, or an attempt at a demigoddess Sep 2021 #26
Takeover by a foreign country? A war? maxsolomon Oct 2021 #39
don't get smug - the math is terrible for us.... getagrip_already Sep 2021 #11
Is that taking into account Lars39 Sep 2021 #12
don't know... just like getagrip_already Sep 2021 #16
The rates (per 100,000) are relevant. The math is probably very good for us. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #19
Not so. Socal31 Oct 2021 #36
I think that information is out of date. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #38
The ugly smugness here gets lost in the details, Such as GusBob Sep 2021 #15
Because only Trump voters are unvaccinated! Sympthsical Sep 2021 #24
Buh bye, tired of coddling assholes. we can do it Sep 2021 #13
It's a Sad Silver Lining HAB911 Sep 2021 #14
That's surprising. dawg Sep 2021 #17
Completely unrelated, I'm sure, to the prevalence of Trump Derangement Syndrome in the boonies. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #18
Well, that should make them happy. Aristus Sep 2021 #22
There will be lots of nice land available when this is all over! Initech Sep 2021 #27
Age old problem. KentuckyWoman Sep 2021 #29

OldBaldy1701E

(5,113 posts)
5. I know right
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:54 AM
Sep 2021

Gods, I wish I had a 'job' where I could just write down things that any fool can see for himself and get paid for it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. :) You'd be a lot less happy when 80 million people ignored you
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 05:43 PM
Sep 2021

while claiming failure in messaging (you didn't talk to them) was the reason they didn't vote, and another 80 million called you a corrupt corporate lackey (doesn't matter what your message was, they didn't listen either).

That's presuming, of course, that you weren't among the thousands of hacks who'll "message" anything that creates an income stream. Then your happiness would likely depend on filthy lucre and stature in your field.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,113 posts)
37. If I made what those people made
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 08:05 AM
Oct 2021

I doubt I would be worried about being ignored. Also, there are very few writers/content producers who are NOT trying to create an income stream. That has been the main reason for creating content since content was created. But, I was referring to being someone paid a guaranteed income just to say something that any fool can see. And, these are 'credible' sources.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
21. And less available health resources.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:30 AM
Sep 2021

Quality of health care is also an issue. The top doctors and administrators are recruited to the top hospital systems, not to small town clinics and hospitals.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Yes, but vaccination was fairly quickly available to virtually every community.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:08 PM
Sep 2021

Native Americans initially had the highest vaccination rates because government agencies associated with them recognized very early on the need to get the vaccines to them. Similar if not as fast for most other populations with transportation/isolation issues.

Sure, general healthcare is a factor, but not the main one. Also serious transportation problems, but that's not the problem that caused high nonvaccination rates. The main one is refusal of vaccination due to cultural influences and personal foibles. Back in February, March, April, just like my husband and I, sensible rural people were watching daily to learn where and when vaccination would be available.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
31. I Sub In A Small Town
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:20 PM
Sep 2021

In a county of only 50,000. (County to our west.)
That school was the one that added me to their phase 1b list for licensed educators.
At that time, seniors in that little town & farm communities nearby were there when I was
4 weeks later, people from that town were going to get their shots, as I saw a couple of the kids I know with their parents.
So, as early as April that rural community (soybeans & corn everywhere one looks) had access to the vax.
Admittedly, this is only 70 or so miles from Chicago, so it's not rural like northern Montana or something. But, it's definitely rural & a red county.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. We were in Florida then, and vaccinations were being given earliest
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:20 PM
Sep 2021

by FEMA drive-throughs with county health departments quickly following, so that most FEMA teams moved on to other areas. elsewhere.

(Actually, you'll remember, the first publicly available were the famous Gov. DeSantis's offerings in a couple urban locations of unspecified #s of doses for over-65s and chronically ill people able to stand in long lines for hours in outside in cold, rain, and heat in hopes of maybe getting one. Amazingly, there were long lines. We watched from our easy chairs.)

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
34. I Do Recall That
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:45 PM
Sep 2021

Saw pictures of those lines.
People in rural areas have ready access for months. It's just foolishness to be so stubborn.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Yes. Before the mandates, 91% of over-65s were vaccinated though.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:53 PM
Sep 2021

Funny how unfoolish most of those were who thought it might kill them, not just unknown others.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
2. Right wing Republican country radio
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:18 AM
Sep 2021

deserves a lot of the blame for spreading the Republican-Russian lies and propaganda throughout rural America.

Dr. Shepper

(3,014 posts)
6. I was reading comments on a COVID
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:56 AM
Sep 2021

Post from our state public health. This is a very rural state - so rural that I’ve lived in cities with multiple times the population of the entire state.

There are some seriously wack-a-doodle crazy ideas being spread amongst these folks. Unless they are trolling, here are a few examples of what they believe:

Covid vaccine is a shot not a vaccine. Therefore, it doesn’t work.

Covid isn’t real. They are all really influenza cases which were proven to be influenza by electron microscopy of blood samples. (BTW - influenza doesn’t tend to go into the blood stream unless it is a virulent/pandemic level strain and electron microscopy is not as sensitive as PCR tests.)

PCR is the wrong test to use because it is picking up dead virus. (PCR does indeed pick up dead virus, but it isn’t a bad test to use - it shows the virus is there!)

I just don’t understand these people. In one breath they talk about God and in the next spread the stupidest lies.

phylny

(8,379 posts)
8. I live in a rural county in Virginia, of course very red,
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:57 AM
Sep 2021

and we have had seven deaths over the last week. Might not sound like a lot, but there’s only 80,000 people who live here. More and more Covid cases every day. I think our vaccination rate is like 40%.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
23. Sounds like where I am in Illinois. Are you seeing behavioral changes lately?
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:35 AM
Sep 2021

Like more masks, observation of distancing, etc.?

Our county-wide vax rate is 38%, and my town is less than that. We had two months in a row with zero deaths, now have had a dozen this month.

I am seeing some increased mask wearing in the last couple of weeks, but still probably less than 40%. I am guessing most of the mask wearers are vaccinated. Most people don't give a damn, and will tell you so.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
32. Also, Illinois
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:24 PM
Sep 2021

Our area is not really rural, but go 20 miles in any direction but north & it's pretty rural.
But here, I'm seeing about 80% masks at the supermarket, nearly everyone at the pharmacy, and 50% at the liquor store.
It was probably 10% in mid-July.
So we are thankfully seeing an uptick in mask use.
Oh, and...
Our town is about 65% fully vaxxed, the county around 60%.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
26. problem is it leaves us understaffed if there is a war, an attack, or an attempt at a
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 05:34 PM
Sep 2021

takeover by a foreign country. It also damages our economy and makes us weaker in case of an attack or takeover attempt by a foreign country. It will make us weaker in the long run making our economy less robust and allowing other countries to become wealthier and strong than we are.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
39. Takeover by a foreign country? A war?
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 11:25 AM
Oct 2021

WE choose and start our wars, and the US has never been remotely threatened with a "takeover".

I'm not sure your post is serious.

getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
11. don't get smug - the math is terrible for us....
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:43 AM
Sep 2021

These are rates of death, not total deaths. But the populations are not equal.

Look, 1 in 500 deaths for a population of 1,000,000 people is 2000 deaths.

1 in 400 deaths in a population of 100,000 people is 250 deaths.

See what's happening here? According to the article, rural areas are only 15% of the population the way they measured it.

Urban people are dying at a much higher numerical level than rural. Math!

getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
16. don't know... just like
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 09:52 AM
Sep 2021

We don't know if the race/political affiliations of unvaxed patients has been looked at. At least it isn't mentioned in this article.

But the implication is clear that numerical deaths are much higher in urban area than in rural areas. As some have noted, some states have very low populations. So their rural death totals would be insignificant compared to a large city.

There are a lot of nuances here. It is not a simple linear tally that can be put on an "us vs them" graph.

And I suspect this is STILL part of republican calculations. They don't believe they are losing a war of attrition. They believe we are. I'm not sure they are wrong.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
19. The rates (per 100,000) are relevant. The math is probably very good for us.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:03 AM
Sep 2021

Yes, total numbers of urbanites are higher, but even in urban areas, the dead are skewed heavily MAGAT. It's just more noticeable when comparing urban and rural, because we know that 90% of rural people are MAGATs.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
36. Not so.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 04:47 AM
Oct 2021

The pandemic is hitting the .most unvaxxed demographics the hardest, which are black and brown people.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
38. I think that information is out of date.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 08:52 AM
Oct 2021

More recent polls show those groups have passed MAGATs in vax rates.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
15. The ugly smugness here gets lost in the details, Such as
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 09:23 AM
Sep 2021

The death rate is twice as high for Native Americans, African Americans and Hispanics

But it’s important, I guess, to lump rural folks as just bad people and celebrate their deaths, and assume urban folks shit don’t stink

And ignore the math as you pointed out

Sympthsical

(9,072 posts)
24. Because only Trump voters are unvaccinated!
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:38 AM
Sep 2021

I mean, you'd think that to read here.

People think they're high-fiving all this because they're Trumpists. Nah. A lot of minorities are getting hit by those high-fives, too.

But noting that isn't quite as fun on the internet. Spoils the good time.

I just read above, "the math is good for us."

Jesus.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
29. Age old problem.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:06 PM
Sep 2021

The county I grew up in has no medical clinic. There are not enough people to support it. When my husband came down sick we deeded the land to family, packed up and moved to Lexington.

I would expect it is even more difficult in the west.

Add politics to the mix and even worse.

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