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Here's how NOT to convince Senator Sinema to change her mind... (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2021 OP
Yeah, that was wierd. 2naSalit Oct 2021 #1
Ugh budkin Oct 2021 #2
A bit extreme alright but at least she's aware of the little people now. OnDoutside Oct 2021 #3
It's not like they went into her stall questionseverything Oct 2021 #11
+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #14
Yes, little in mind and sensibility. former9thward Oct 2021 #21
Do the little people include her students? FBaggins Oct 2021 #37
As if she gives a rat's ass.about them, lol. OnDoutside Oct 2021 #38
Riiight FBaggins Oct 2021 #39
Suurrre, the betterment of mankind while taking large wads of cash OnDoutside Oct 2021 #40
Yeah, show some respect to Miss Standing in Front of the Elevator BeyondGeography Oct 2021 #4
The male protester definitely should be arrested... bluewater Oct 2021 #5
That was not okay whether it was male or female following her in there. Vinca Oct 2021 #6
If the female was video recording that, she should be arrested. bluewater Oct 2021 #9
Guess she's pissing off former supporters XanaDUer2 Oct 2021 #7
I understand the frustration with the ridiculous way she acts, FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #8
I was creeped out just watching this. A new low. TreasonousBastard Oct 2021 #10
We already tried to convince her the Dem leadership way wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #12
That wasn't a constituent FBaggins Oct 2021 #13
There was a group wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #16
None that struck me as worth listening to as constituents FBaggins Oct 2021 #17
They worked hard to get her elected in the first place wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #18
Arizona is blue in large part due to pissed off Latino activists that became activists ... Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2021 #34
Arizona isn't blue. FBaggins Oct 2021 #36
They should have just quietly taken all the TP from the restroom and left. Kaleva Oct 2021 #15
If Sinema won't meet with her constituents, then she should expect more of this Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #19
She could have a townhall. Or meet with her constituents without a 5 figure check Arazi Oct 2021 #20
We need millions more everywhere questionseverything Oct 2021 #23
Politicians must be accountable to the people. jcmaine72 Oct 2021 #22
Do tell us the correct way to go about it. tenderfoot Oct 2021 #24
Good question! Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #30
If you can't think of anything better than ambush filming in a bathroom... FBaggins Oct 2021 #32
I have a strategy, but have no idea whether the OP will approve... bullwinkle428 Oct 2021 #33
That's just a step away from standing on the toilets in adjoining Nixie Oct 2021 #25
Or "This is what happens when you don't run a town hall for 3 years and have no constituent outreach Blue_Adept Oct 2021 #26
I didn't realize she was so remote to her voters XanaDUer2 Oct 2021 #27
People generally don't do things like this unless other channels have been fruitless. And not WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #28
Nothing will change her mind. Even knowing that she's going to be primaried Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #29
Just use Kompromat; it's so much cleaner. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #31
Concur. This does absolute "Richard" to help our case and convince her. SKKY Oct 2021 #35
This is kinda creepy..I understand that her constituents are upset because she has not had a helpisontheway Oct 2021 #41
I very much agree BannonsLiver Oct 2021 #42
It's not ok, but I don't give a fuck. Honestly, she needs an old school LBJ style "intervention" themaguffin Oct 2021 #43
Democrats had 67 Senate seats back then Polybius Oct 2021 #45
Why do people try and convince politicians to change their minds anyway? Polybius Oct 2021 #44

questionseverything

(9,660 posts)
11. It's not like they went into her stall
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:47 PM
Oct 2021

She won’t talk to her voters or the press so they have to get creative

It’s no big deal

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
5. The male protester definitely should be arrested...
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:27 PM
Oct 2021

for harassing a woman in the women's restroom and video recording there.

The picture was fuzzy, but i believe that was a sign designating it as the women's restroom on the way in.



I can't tell if the female protester was video recording also, she might have been recording audio, but I suspect otherwise.

If she did record video she should be arrested also for violating a woman's right to privacy in a public restroom. Her phone was pointed directly at the stall Senator Sinema entered.

But, hey, I am not a lawyer so I might wrong; perhaps I'm just out of touch and very old fashioned about what's indecent.

Vinca

(50,308 posts)
6. That was not okay whether it was male or female following her in there.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:36 PM
Oct 2021

There needs to be some common decency. Let a person relieve themselves in peace.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
9. If the female was video recording that, she should be arrested.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:45 PM
Oct 2021

She had her phone aimed directly at the stall Senator Sinema had entered and was using.

The male definitely should be arrested, there was a sign on the way in designating it as the women's restroom and we watched his video.

XanaDUer2

(10,750 posts)
7. Guess she's pissing off former supporters
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:40 PM
Oct 2021

Mavericks can do that. Tho people should be allowed to drop a deuce in peace.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,435 posts)
8. I understand the frustration with the ridiculous way she acts,
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:43 PM
Oct 2021

and the snotty uppity comments about "where she is". But there's no excuse for following her into a bathroom.

Wait outside the crapper for her to come back out, then resume letting her hear that the people think her position and behavior is exactly like what she just flushed.

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
13. That wasn't a constituent
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 07:23 PM
Oct 2021

If she couldn't leave the country because there was no path to citizenship, then she can't vote.

Regardless... The vast majority of Democrats want her to change her vote... but the vast majority of Democrats would surely agree that the convincing should be done in a legal way.

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
17. None that struck me as worth listening to as constituents
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:55 PM
Oct 2021

The mature thing to do would be to ignore them.

The tempting thing to do would be to vote in the opposite direction from whatever they were demanding.

As the OP hints - there's almost zero chance that they helped their position.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
18. They worked hard to get her elected in the first place
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:04 PM
Oct 2021

And now we're going to shit on them.

It's like we don't want to get out the vote and inspire activists to our side.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,343 posts)
34. Arizona is blue in large part due to pissed off Latino activists that became activists ...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:32 AM
Oct 2021

…. after Arizona passed the racist “show me your papers laws”

A lot of those activists can’t vote because they aren’t citizens. But they have family that can and will vote.

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
36. Arizona isn't blue.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 11:02 AM
Oct 2021

Red governor/AG/Treasurer... red legislature. Competitive senate races and upcoming governor race. Just barely blue in the last presidential race with the most offensive opponent imaginable.

It's trending blue, but the middle is far more important than the fringe in such a state... and anyone filming in a bathroom is beyond the fringe.

Letting nuts like this drive politics in the state is an easy way to give the state back to republicans.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
19. If Sinema won't meet with her constituents, then she should expect more of this
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:27 PM
Oct 2021

Bravo to the AZ activists who pulled this off.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
20. She could have a townhall. Or meet with her constituents without a 5 figure check
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:32 PM
Oct 2021

Then they may not be SO FUCKING ANGRY that they resort to this in order to be heard.

Fuck her

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
22. Politicians must be accountable to the people.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:49 AM
Oct 2021

But not when they're taking a shit.

Please show some decency.

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
32. If you can't think of anything better than ambush filming in a bathroom...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:47 AM
Oct 2021

... please don't involve yourself in Democratic politics. We're much better off without such.


I doubt that there's much of anything that three people (at least two of whom can't vote) can do to influence a US senator - except negatively (as shown here). Why not try much larger groups of people marching near her office such that it gets press coverage? Whether or not she's there, she'll get the message.

And no... "that didn't work" isn't a good enough excuse.

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
33. I have a strategy, but have no idea whether the OP will approve...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:08 AM
Oct 2021

Okay, spoiler alert...HE WON'T!!

Anyway, here it is - The Progressive Caucus gets on TV today, and holds up copies of the Pandora Papers. They make a statement that this is exactly the thing that Kyrsten Sinema is trying to defend, by insisting that zero taxes should be raised as part of this bill.

Nixie

(16,985 posts)
25. That's just a step away from standing on the toilets in adjoining
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:28 AM
Oct 2021

stalls and filming down on her wiping herself. That’ll really show her!

Unfortunately, they just made this about their own behavior, which was not smart.

Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
26. Or "This is what happens when you don't run a town hall for 3 years and have no constituent outreach
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:39 AM
Oct 2021

services"

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,444 posts)
28. People generally don't do things like this unless other channels have been fruitless. And not
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:56 AM
Oct 2021

everyone can afford the exclusive fundraisers for access, so they have to find other tactics.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
29. Nothing will change her mind. Even knowing that she's going to be primaried
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:42 AM
Oct 2021

out of the Senate in 2024 will not change her mind.

Her job is to help McConnell destroy President's agenda, the Democratic party, and democracy in the US by continually obstructing President Biden's agenda, in order to ensure a Republican takeover of the House and Senate in 2025.

She will be richly rewarded for her service to those who wish to end democracy in the US.

McConnell privately assures GOP that Kyrsten Sinema will kill Biden’s tax hike: report

Senate minority leader thinks Republicans have found their secret weapon in Arizona's puzzling Democratic senator

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has privately assured his Republican colleagues that centrist Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., is likely to block President Joe Biden's proposed tax hikes on the wealthy and corporations, according to The Washington Post.

Biden has introduced a $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan that would be paid for with tax increases on corporations and a $1.8 trillion "American Families Plan" that would be funded with higher taxes on the wealthy and investors and increased IRS enforcement. Republicans are pushing a much smaller infrastructure counterproposal that would shift the tax burden from corporations to workers, and have loudly objected to the proposed tax increases. McConnell, however, does not seem worried about the hikes clearing the 50-50 Senate where a single Democrat can block any party-line vote.

McConnell has privately "reassured allies of Democrats' long odds in approving tax hikes, pointing in particular to the voting record of Sen. Kyrsten Sinema," according to the Post.

https://www.salon.com/2021/05/13/mcconnell-privately-assures-gop-that-kyrsten-sinema-will-kill-bidens-tax-hike-report/


Dark energy surrounds her.


helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
41. This is kinda creepy..I understand that her constituents are upset because she has not had a
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:14 PM
Oct 2021

townhall in 3 years (according to someone on Twitter). How are they supposed to connect with her? I agree that the restroom is the wrong place but goodness does she not care about the people that she is supposed to represent? I think she will lose her seat if she does not engage with her constituents at all.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
43. It's not ok, but I don't give a fuck. Honestly, she needs an old school LBJ style "intervention"
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:38 PM
Oct 2021

Fuck her. I have zero respect for her destroying the country while she whores herself.

Polybius

(15,489 posts)
45. Democrats had 67 Senate seats back then
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:43 PM
Oct 2021

If one got offended with him and switched, no big deal. If one switched now, we're screwed.

Polybius

(15,489 posts)
44. Why do people try and convince politicians to change their minds anyway?
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:41 PM
Oct 2021

If a Senator was to be that easily swayed, that could be a bad thing.

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