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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAOC Hails President Biden As 'A Good Faith Partner'
The New York congresswoman was highly complimentary of Biden's willingness to negotiate with progressives.https://crooksandliars.com/2021/10/aoc-congratulates-president-biden-good
On CBS' Face The Nation, Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez remarked that Pres. Joe Biden has done everything in good faith, as he is trying to get his legislation passed. I think that President Biden has been a good faith partner to the entire Democratic party, Ocasio-Cortez said. AOC said that Biden is a moderate, but "reaches out and actually tries to understand our perspective and that is why I am fighting for his agenda."
It has been frustrating legislating a bold agenda when you have senators like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema refusing to negotiate in good faith after such a tumultuous last administration. The American people spoke out strongly in electing President Biden overwhelmingly, and flipping the Senate to the Democratic party. Yet these two rogue Democrats refuse to get on board to fulfil the will of the people. But the fight continues.
The mainstream media, though, seems to be pining for the days of Traitor Trump's unhinged antics, so they've been claiming (falsely) that Biden's agenda is in "crisis." Eric Boehlert in his newsletter writes, "Everybody knows the DC medias approved story-line these days battered by 'crises,' the presidents approval rating has 'collapsed.'
Link to tweet
So what happens when a news outlet produces a poll that shows President Joe Biden with a healthy 50% approval rating? If youre the AP, you stick to the script and spin it as bad news. Fact: In four years in office, Trump never once hit 50% approval." Wanting to pass major legislation for the Democratic party that helps the majority of the American people is always a chore, and yet the Beltway Media always feels compelled to couch it in right-wing talking points.
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Autumn
(45,741 posts)she doesn't support him or his agenda . Shitty republican tricks are all In vogue.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,572 posts)Easily startled but will soon be along - and in greater numbers - after they find the TV clicker and check to see what those kids are doing across the street.
Nixie
(17,315 posts)other DUers
like the first two posts in this thread!
Congratulations. This was about the quickest switcheroo yet.
Sympthsical
(9,842 posts)And you're applying that term to DUers?
That is not cool!
Response to Sympthsical (Reply #11)
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Autumn
(45,741 posts)I have found that twisting words is a time honored shitty republican trick. one of the favorite things that asshole pukes do. They get away with it because their fan base has no desire for truth. They swallow lies hook, line and sinker.
Nixie
(17,315 posts)tricks. Speaking of tricks, personalizing anything said about AOC is also a shitty trick, especially the first post in a thread with no other entries.
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Nixie
(17,315 posts)especially by calling names. So predictable, thank you.
George II
(67,782 posts)Nixie
(17,315 posts)sheshe2
(85,947 posts)Nixie
(17,315 posts)Where did I imply you are a shitty Republican trickster?
Autumn
(45,741 posts)seems to triggers you. No need to be angry, I never accused you of using shitty Republican tricks.
Nixie
(17,315 posts)But your first post looks triggered. No entries in this thread but youre already carrying over from another thread ? Seems kinda triggered.
No, Autumn, she does not.
Autumn
(45,741 posts)sheshe2
(85,947 posts)I go by what I see and what I read. Some of it is very very subtle, some is not.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If the former, "that is not cool!"
If the latter, there's always room to learn.
sheshe2
(85,947 posts)Thank you, LW.
George II
(67,782 posts)Methinks that "s-r-t" comment WAS applying to DUers.
Autumn
(45,741 posts)Nixie
(17,315 posts)AOC to DUers - on the first post, lol. Is that a shitty Republican trick?
Autumn
(45,741 posts)1. Someone will pick out a couple of words that she said and twist them to make it sound like
she doesn't support him or his agenda . Shitty republican tricks are all In vogue.
Republicans and trolls seem to have a real problem with her and will do anything they can to smear her. It happens all the time
Nixie
(17,315 posts)along and then to call them names. It happens all the time, but usually not in the first post when there is no discussion, lol.
Autumn
(45,741 posts)think it's out of line. I suggest you use them nixie. Harassment is not one of them.
sheshe2
(85,947 posts)It is still clearly seen in post #1. The is a big part or your comment, Autumn.
and this:
Now you call anyone that disagrees with AOC is a Repubicon or troll???!!
Just stop, Autumn.
Autumn
(45,741 posts)I stand by what I said.
betsuni
(27,026 posts)"Triggered" means responding to personal insults and obvious innuendos that DUers are Republicans.
George II
(67,782 posts)SunImp
(2,284 posts)Autumn
(45,741 posts)It seems to be used a lot by cons against anyone that they don't like.
Nixie
(17,315 posts)about Democrats.
Autumn
(45,741 posts)like you do. Some things I agree with them on. Other things I don't.
Nixie
(17,315 posts)tricksters if they disagree on some things, so implying other Democrats are seems unnecessary.
Autumn
(45,741 posts)shitty Republican tricks.
Nixie
(17,315 posts)so who is the someone?
George II
(67,782 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That's why Democrats elected him.
His and our party's domestic agendas don't seem to leave much for anyone to complain about, do they? Even most Republican voters. Thank goodness.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)I've always know that Biden is a profoundly decent leader, but I wasn't sure if his vision was bold enough to meet the moment. Well that's settled: ABSOLUTELY.
Count me as a strong AOC supporter since the first time I saw her first first campaign video, and I couldn't be happier with President Biden, who has far exceeded my always positive expectations for him.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a good chance to see who Democrats really are. It says a lot that activists like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez are proud to be part of what we're doing.
Our bold actions aren't just speaking louder than words but also louder than lies of the past. Of course, we've learned that we have to shout them to the world, over and over, and that's a difference.
In 2009, Obama and Democrats saved the nation and the world economy from the collapse the GOP brought us to. Yet in 2010 confused voters, snowed under with lies from all sides, didn't understand that. They didn't know who created the big tax rebates that showed up as lower tax bills; millions didn't even know they're received them. This time we sent emergency stimulus checks.
So, we act and we blow our horns. We only need a few more percentages of voters to believe we can and will change everything.
Midnight Writer
(22,608 posts)It's a shame Republicans don't seem to have any good faith political leaders.
They would rather "burn the whole thing down" than negotiate in good faith for the sake of the nation.
calimary
(83,401 posts)Oops - excuse me.
I love PRESIDENT Joe Biden.
PatSeg
(49,526 posts)His policies are the most progressive we've seen since LBJ and FDR, yet people still call him a "moderate".
I'm glad Ocasio-Cortez sees the President as a good faith partner, but when are the progressives in the Democratic party going to acknowledge that Biden is not a moderate? Of course, it is probably good politically that he isn't branded a left-wing Democrat. His image as a moderate probably helped get him elected.
Tommymac
(7,304 posts)President Joe knows we need to get things done to address income inequality, racial inequality, women's and LBGT Rights, a decaying physical infrastructure and a crippling pandemic.
He knows he has to pull out all the stops, and work with EVERY SIDE to get the right combination of infrastructure renewal programs, tax incentives, tax cuts, medical programs, and social reforms to put the USA back together in a bigger, better way.
I am a progressive - been on the left all my life. I saw and heard then VP Joe speak at the Pittsburgh Labor Day Parade in August 2016. Damn if he didn't sound almost like Senator Bernie in a lot of that speech, and also channeled and supported Hillary's ideas too.
He is a consummate politician who does not let labels stand in the way of getting things done. After that speech, and seeing how he has governed since he has assumed the office of the President in January, just like AOC I respect and support him 110%.
I don't care that he is a moderate, and sometimes pushes ideas that may not be progressive at all. He gets a big pass in my eyes.
In these times, Joe Biden is the best person for the job of President of the USA. Period.
PatSeg
(49,526 posts)Still though he may come across as moderate, the domestic policies he is trying to implement are are not moderate policies. They will achieve a lot of the things that the far left progressives want, but his approach is different and more doable (hopefully).
I think at his core, Biden is more liberal than he seems, but many years of experience have also made him pragmatic.
Tommymac
(7,304 posts)PatSeg
(49,526 posts)I'm still very liberal, but I also know what is possible. My younger self would probably be very dismissive of the current me.
Tommymac
(7,304 posts)Autumn
(45,741 posts)country and will always be willing to do what is best.
PatSeg
(49,526 posts)except I don't think he fits into a "moderate" pigeon hole. He is moderate in some regards and liberal in others, plus he is open and willing to change.
elleng
(134,618 posts)our perspective and that is why I am fighting for his agenda."'
mvd
(65,349 posts)Well said by AOC!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I also think both politically compliment the other rather well. Seems a lot of us on the left of the spectrum could take a cue from those two.
jalan48
(14,137 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Ocasio-Cortez labeled House Democrats' centrist wing "the tea party of the left."
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said in an interview published Monday that Democrats nationwide can cultivate too big of a tent, asserting that she and her partys 2020 frontrunner, former Vice President Joe Biden, would be in different political parties in any other nation.
Asked for a profile by New York Magazine about what role she might play as a member of Congress should Biden capture the White House, the freshman House Democrat from New York responded with a groan.
Oh God, she said. In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America, we are.
A spokesperson for the Biden campaign did not immediately return a request for comment.
SunImp
(2,284 posts)But in a little-noticed remark earlier this month in New Hampshire, the Democratic presidential front-runner seemed to offer a decidedly different stance on the death penalty.
Given enough time, people can change who they are and how they feel about a lot of things. AOC distrusted him then, but she is warming up to President Biden now, and that's a good thing.
betsuni
(27,026 posts)2/3 of the Congressional Black Caucus voted for it, had the support of many black leaders.
Rep. James Clyburn describes the reaction of the audience when running for Congress and opposing mandatory minimum prison sentences:
"Those people darn near lynched me in that meeting, and there wasn't a single white person in the room. The atmosphere back then -- the scourge of crack cocaine and what it was doing to these African American communities -- they were all for getting this out of their community."
Charles Rangel opposed the bill, but said he could do so because he was in a safe blue district: "The only thing people wanted from us was to do something." "When you go to town-hall meetings, people just demand that you explain what the hell you're going to do to reduce crime."
Because it was bipartisan, the White House agreed to harsher punishments "to win the Republican votes needed for the passage in the face of conservative Democrats' opposition to the assault weapons ban." Clyburn says they planned to build on the positive things in the bill: "But then we lost in 1994 and all the punitive stuff, the Republicans kept all that and got rid of some of the good stuff."
Of course things changed and politicians' positions change. For example, Bernie Sanders voted for the bill, with reservations, but as many said about the epidemic of organized crime at that time, action was needed. Communities demanded it:
"I think there is no disagreement among all of us that we need strong law enforcement ... clearly there are people in our society that are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them."
AOC said she and Biden would be in different parties in 2020, not 1994.
Celerity
(46,154 posts)parliamentary systems that lead to multiple parties that form coalition governments or coalition oppositions. That is exactly what she was referring to.
Absolutely nothing nefarious or incorrect in that AOC statement in regards to different parties.
Also, even though they they would be in different parties, it is likely they would be in a coalition government together or in a coalition opposition together.
George II
(67,782 posts)Wonder who that's in reference to?
Celerity
(46,154 posts)after decades of gaming the system from the ground up (local to regional, to state to federal levels) via partisan, relentless gerrymandering, voter suppression, propaganda designed to engender conflict and/or apathy in the opposition, we end up having to run candidates so far towards the right (especially in these ginned-up RW slanted swing districts) that even if we end up with nominal control, we are shackled with a minority of candidates and then, if we are successful, elected members that are farther to right than the vast majority of the Party. At that point, we run into some of the issues that we are now experiencing.
That minority that is the farthest to the right in the caucus ends up tossing multiple spanners in the works for the vast majority of Democrats. As the partisan gerrymandering continues to lurch the centre more to right, that entire schema of potential intraparty ideological cleavages will only continue to manifest itself to greater and greater degrees. It creates an inherent paralysis inside the party, where programmes supported and positions held by the overwhelming number of members are stymied by that small, furthest to right cadre. The same, of course, could occur on the furthest left, BUT that has not occurred so far.
The more the electoral map is skewed by the Rethugs with their partisan gaming of the system at local, state, and federal levels, the further to the right the centre point of the American political elected spectrum becomes. A vicious circle ensues, where cause and effect work in a reciprocal, synergistic tandem to further exacerbate the ideological cleavages and tensions with the intraparty environs.
At some point, in this modelling, the party starts to have significant systemic voter haemorrhages on the left flank greater than any potential gains via attempts to grab a larger foothold in the ever rightward-moving centre. Voter apathy and disenchantment kick in, as some voters ideologically inclined to support the left quarter to left third of the our Party hit the wall of programme-enactment failure fatigue.
They simply see no viable outlet for their preferred ideological-based, programme/legislative manifested outcomes. Unlike all (I would hope) of us on this board many simply give up, and are not motivated to vote defensively (ie anti-Rethug as the primary driver) only, or at least in many cases to a large degree.
Even in a de facto 2 party system there are constraints on how ideologically wide and diverse a party can become before splintering starts to occur. Political parties are indeed subject to laws of diminishing returns, just like most mass sociological endeavours are. It is part (definitely not the only component though) of the reason why the US has such poor voter turnout for many elections compared to many other advanced nations. This is all basic political systems analysis.
To end on a positive note, I would say that so far, Biden (overall has been rather magnificent IMHO), Harris, Pelosi (right up there with Biden), Schumer and the leadership in the biggest single caucus in our Congressional delegation (the 96-member-strong House Progressive Caucus) have so far managed to conduct and manage our party's legislative and executive business with a high degree of efficaciousness. May it long continue.
A few months ago Aoc was in Ohio fully endorsing the candidate who called Biden "a bowl of shit"
Now she really really likes (needs) him?
JFC 🙄