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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI cannot seriously get a real answer to "Why do you want Romney" to my GOP Friends.....
I have tried, many times.
They mention "debt" but admit the GOP presidents had horrible debt.
They talk about "Obamacare" but then think many parts of it should be retained.
They don't want any more wars and think Obama has done a great job in foreign affairs.
They think military spending is too much already.
Some of it comes down to them being 100% anti-abortion. That is all.
I think people do not put enough thought process into this. It is like voting on a whim.
People don't spend enough time actually looking at the details of the candidates. Uninformed voters is what it comes down to.
So depressing.
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Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)One candidate has more than the other.
Raster
(20,998 posts)The racial hate is still with us, though now moderated for presentation. It's only fashionable to wear your robes and hood in certain circles and at certain times. However, passive-aggressive racism in this country is approaching art-form status and can generally be trotted out anywhere and at anytime.
desertduck
(213 posts)
AndrewP
(1,839 posts)One isn't black
meow2u3
(24,773 posts)They want the melanin-impaired candidate, even if he IS a white-collar criminal who will bust out business and ship their jobs to China.
Bluzmann57
(12,336 posts)I posted the question on my facebook page, "Why do you who support Romney like him? And saying 'he's not Obama' is not an acceptable answer". Still waiting for just one response.
It is simply because romney is not Obama. Period. What real reason is there other than that?
Raster
(20,998 posts)The negro slaves may have been freed 150 years ago, but the battle for racial equality is still going strong.
The number two reason: religious interference with the "moral issues."
hughee99
(16,113 posts)he'd get about 90% of the vote. 
IMHO, Rmoney is a repuke. If Obama ran as a repuke, most repukes would vote for him. Most Dems would not.
Raster
(20,998 posts)
Alekei_Firebird
(320 posts)You can't separate hatred of Obama from hatred of Democrats in general. The Republican loathing of the Democrats started with the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and it became hardened with the Southern Strategy.
It's all about race.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...began the great exodus from the Democratic Party in the South.
It is all about race.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...a level paying field.
I think it's probably a moot point. I don't think the repub powerbrokers would have supported Cain and his candidacy.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Looking back at the primaries, Romney didn't seem like anyone's first choice, but the power brokers backed him and everyone else fell in line. I think your run of the mill repuke would vote for a black person if that's who their power brokers were pushing. The power brokers may be racist, though, which is why they won't get the opportunity to vote for one.
If the power brokers could be sure that Louis Farrakhan would push their agenda and could get enough dem/undecided votes, you'd hear the repuke talking heads talking about how misunderstood he's been the next day and eventually their base would fall in line.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)They might as well say "white is right, black is bad". Stupid asses.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I think we got about 200 responses between the two of us. "Simple question," we asked. "Without mentioning Obama, please post something positive about Romney as a reason you will vote for him."
Literally, not one single post out of nearly 200. Most still said stuff like "Obama has ruined this country," "All I know is that Romney will save the country from the damage done by Obama!" They absolutely could not provide anything positive...they hate Obama. But they also get quite upset when you suggest that perhaps their might be a racial issue, then. How dare someone suggest that! But no, not one positive statement about Romney.
Logical
(22,457 posts)flyguyjake
(492 posts)from my primarily Republican family is; I hate Obama. I then ask why. They say "I just do and you're not convincing me otherwise" and they end the conversation there. They are happy to share with each other digs about the President and they are more than happy to share these conspiracy theories. I tell them, if you're willing to share what you feel are negatives about the President then why can't I share negatives about Romney. They just all politicians lie and then end it at that. It's totally a loosing battle and they seem to be drinking Romney's Kool-Aid by the gallons.
kevinbgoode1
(153 posts)The "all politicians lie" meme comes up as the most common excuse for Romnesia. . .as if Republicans get a free pass on transparency and lying just because they are GOP.
What behooves me is how they think they are going to make things better by voting for someone they already know is a serial liar. The whole "we deserve better" routine is almost laughable when their rationale is that the lies are A-OK cuz "all politicians lie" - and they expect the country to come out "better."
Buddaman
(503 posts)already know is a serial liar.
That's exactly what I'd like to know!!!
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Just a guess here.
Don
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)The reason the country is held back is because of these bigots.
They have been sabotaging the Democratic Party since they defected for the Republican Party after 1964 when LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act.
They're resentful & irrational & the big money guys behind the Republican Party use their mentalities to lessen their obligation to their country.
There's a lot of 'em & we just have to outnumber them to make sure Obama can continue to wreck this Southern Strategy.
They're going to have to get used to seeing non-Whites as equal one way or another.
If we continue to outnumber them, social pressure will force them to either change or be marginalized.
John Lucas
edhopper
(33,617 posts)not a socialist, Muslim blackman.
Raster
(20,998 posts)L0oniX
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NOLALady
(4,003 posts)a friend of my son was visiting. I know from his FB that he supports Romney. So, I congratulated him on his upcoming wealth, since Romney will only aid the 1%. (He is currently unemployed and lives in a trailer with his GPa.) I reminded him, he may never get a decent job, decent health care nor be able to afford to further his education under his candidate. I threw in a few other things, then wished him luck.
My son came in the house shortly after and said, "He had no idea what you were talking about. When you went inside, he turned to me and asked who were you supporting, Romney or Obama?" My son responded, "Dude, my Mom just did a world class dump on Romney and you have to ask who she's supporting?"
I told him, that's why we call them low information voters. SMH!
Logical
(22,457 posts)Raster
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Alekei_Firebird
(320 posts)Many people who wouldn't have normally voted for a black man for president did so in 2008 because of the singular disaster that was Bush and Palin.
They only voted for Obama because they believed that he would be the Magical Negro that would finally quell the anger and whining so prevalent in the African-American community. That was their interpretation of the healing of race relations.
But Obama hasn't been the Magical Negro. At best, he's only been a good president who's made the best out of a horrible situation. That's not good enough.
The only way a black man should be president is if he's 100x better than a white president.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)They wanted him to quell the anger and whining in the Black community, while ignoring the anger and whining so prevalent in the White community.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Obama came into office in the middle of a recession. Unemployment peaked a few months into his administration, and has been dropping ever since.
Reagan's 1st recession started his 2nd year in office (1st year under his budget). Unemployment peaked a few months after that, and dropped thereafter.
Reagan wins in landslide. Obama wins in squeaker. Your comment is one explanation that makes sense. But there is another.
There were not thousands of newspapers and radio stations, plus one cable "news" channel, devoted non-stop to Reagan's defeat. There are to defeat Obama and any other Democrat. I think the overwhelming advantage they have in propaganda is the big picture here.
I visited my rural relatives in 2000. I encountered the exact same anti-Gore or pro-Bush stories there as I did in Chicago. No difference at all to the stories. But the pro-Gore or anti-Bush stories did not exist. My brother voted for Bush because Gore was a "serial liar". I debunked 100% of the stories wherein Gore supposedly lied. At the end all he had was, "people must mistakenly assume Gore lied on those occasions; there must be a basis for everyone thinking that Gore is a serial liar."
This from a guy who voted for Jesse Jackson when he ran for president. Propaganda works.
RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)Never underestimate the power of hate and stupidity.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
morningfog
(18,115 posts)They are voting against Obama because he is a Democrat or other reasons.
BumRushDaShow
(129,516 posts)It's been ingrained in U.S. society for hundreds of years. It will take another hundred to maybe get most of this hatred based on phenotype, purged, and only then after some serious exposure to the cultural realities of this country.
The irony is that if you go overseas and happen to run into any of these folks (if they manage to travel outside of a few miles from where they were born and raised), being "American", no matter what "race", suddenly wipes out all this insanity. I.e., they cling to anyone who is "American" when in a foreign land. I have seen and experienced it too many times.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)sad
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)If they won't give you any clear reason, then that's most likely the reason. Racism is not always visible on the surface.
Raster
(20,998 posts)Just a hateful and just as virulent, but can be camouflaged so much easier.
Yes-sir-ee, passive-aggressive racism is just the thing when wearing your robes and hood is just a tad too overt.
Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)It has to be hard for them to admit that their candidate is so flawed.
If only they could see beyond their narrow beliefs.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Or "we have to stop the train wreck".
Platitudes, generalities, no specifics. They go on and on about the poor having Apple Iphone 5s, or big screen teevees and then do the big peeved look with a "see? That's WHY we have to vote for Rmoney!!1111"
Honestly I'm sure its racism. Pure and simple. Everything else they say is a cover for their despicable positions.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)
Deep13
(39,154 posts)No real reason. I think for white, working class voters, he looks more like a father figure than Obama does. My mother and sister like him and they both have "daddy issues."
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)desertduck
(213 posts)It was bush's mess. And it took 8 yrs to make. Why should this one man be given only 4 yrs to turn it around? And why should we go back to the same fucked up policies with the same team that got us here to begin with? (god, i love bill clinton. He is a genius)
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
rainlillie
(1,095 posts)Bennyboy
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he's not (Carter, Gore, Clinton, Obama etc) and I have never voted for a democrat in my life.
They are also fond of saying "He ALMOST got me to vote for a democrat for the first time in my life but.....) without offering anything to support that...
Tennessee Gal
(6,160 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I don't think anybody anywhere actually likes Rmoney (with the exception of the 1%)
spanone
(135,880 posts)
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Believe it or not I've seen these same people dislike both Bush's and Clinton back during their terms. I see this in so many cases and it's basically due to being incurious and unread.
There is a nastier edge today to their dislike of Obama, no doubt. In the case of some friends, as they aged they've gotten curmudgeonly and more conservative.
LizW
(5,377 posts)My friends and family who are going to vote for Romney, are smart people, good people, hard-working people. I'm staggered that they ignore the lies and evasions. When I ask why they support Romney, they carefully avoid race, but they almost all give the answer that "Obama's plans" will destroy small business. They all say that they are being crushed by taxes now and that if Obama is re-elected, things will get worse for them.
They don't talk about the national debt that much. They acknowledge that it kills the economy, and that unemployment hurts their bottom line, but they don't focus on that.
It seems to be all about what they believe will happen to their tax liability. It's a very "me, me, me" focused answer. When I ask about the deficit, and how we are going to get out of the hole we are in (I don't blame it on Bush, because they get all defensive), they really seem okay with it. When I ask how they feel about passing massive debt on to our children and grandchildren, they change the subject. When I ask how their grandchildren are going to afford college, they change the subject. (I think they plan on leaving either businesses or a significant amount of money to their children (estate tax free, of course), and that will take care of things.)
Some of my family members are doing very well. My brother put two kids through college, has a house in town, owns his own business and has a second home on a lake and a boat. Amateur car racing is his hobby. He claims that taxes are crushing him, and that if Obama is re-elected, he will be taxed to death.
I don't know how to respond. If I say what I feel: "My god, how can you be so self-centered when people in this country are homeless and hungry and without health care?" I don't think they would take it very well.
Logical
(22,457 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)the restaurant business ...where a 5% net profit is doing real good and 2 1/2 % net is just barely making it. So a $5 mill gross profit business is a small business and will not be paying more taxes in most cases.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)Both people I know that are voting for Romney make over 500k/yr. One makes 2M/yr. They will get huge tax cuts under Romney.
redStateBlueHeart
(265 posts)And that's exactly what it is for the people who can't explain why they like Romney or hate Obama so much. It pretty much comes down to the fact that they hate the black guy more *shrugs*
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)so I said "so at a 800,000 a month job loss for that first year was all Obama's fault? What happened to those Bush years? You think anyone can clean up the mess Bush left us in one year? Your husband lost his job because of what went on way before Obama took office and to believe anything else is just plain stupid!"
Raster
(20,998 posts)...everything about the bush* years.
begin_within
(21,551 posts)The right has as its ultimate goal to get Obama out of office. Nothing else matters.
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)I did have a woman I know come up with an explanation besides "I hate Obama." She's a Mormon and is voting for Romney because he's a good Mormon and gives lots of money to the church.
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)Fox has pushed the meme that Obama is a socialist because of "Obamacare." Because of that and the deficit, I know people who favor Romney over Obama.