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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 04:23 PM Oct 2021

Could someone please list the reasons the House January 6th Committee should not use

their inherent contempt power, rent a cell (or clean out a basement broom closet), arrest Bannon and detain him until he complies with the subpoena he just ignored?

Please don't respond with "It hasn't been done recently" or "It might piss off Trump's army".

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Could someone please list the reasons the House January 6th Committee should not use (Original Post) Atticus Oct 2021 OP
Can you explain why they shouldn't use the DoJ? AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2021 #1
Will take a lot more time to use DOJ w/endless appeals, inherent contempt much quicker. tableturner Oct 2021 #2
They should use both DOJ and their inherent power. Ptah Oct 2021 #4
okay, here's what I've been told, from Daniel Goldman. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #3
Then how was it used about 90 years ago. What's different? triron Oct 2021 #6
The US Supreme Court held in their 1927 McGrain v. Daugherty decision: Atticus Oct 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #5
So what? Bannon would still be in jail until the USSC made a decision. triron Oct 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #8
I believe that Bannon would LIKE to be jailed. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #13
Broom closet sound good and a bucket. rickyhall Oct 2021 #10
Here are the creds for Daniel Goldman Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #11
I know who he is and respect his work, but without some explanation for his Atticus Oct 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #16
I'll ask him directly on twitter. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #15
I thought this made sense...maybe not? stillcool Oct 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #18
in other words..........follow the Boy Scout Law. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #23
I Don't Believe Any Consequences Will Be Suffered By Those Refusing To Appear SoCalDavidS Oct 2021 #21
I back the Democrats here. Kingofalldems Oct 2021 #24
I'm no expert, but I don't see why Congress can't vote to Tomconroy Oct 2021 #22

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
3. okay, here's what I've been told, from Daniel Goldman.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 04:32 PM
Oct 2021

Daniel Goldman
@danielsgoldman
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2h
Inherent contempt is not currently an option for congressional subpoena enforcement because there is no existing process that would meet constitutional due process standards. Both houses should create task forces to examine the issue and propose a constitutional process for it.
................

ALAS

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
9. The US Supreme Court held in their 1927 McGrain v. Daugherty decision:
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 04:49 PM
Oct 2021

"Each house of Congress has power, through its own process, to compel a private individual to appear before it or one of its committees and give testimony needed to enable it efficiently to exercise a legislative function belonging to it under the Constitution,” Van Devanter said. “This has support in long practice of the houses separately, and in repeated Acts of Congress, all amounting to a practical construction of the Constitution.”

I am not aware that has been overruled, though I will agree that, given this Trump court's disrespect of precedents, it may not long be the law.

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triron

(22,006 posts)
7. So what? Bannon would still be in jail until the USSC made a decision.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 04:45 PM
Oct 2021

By that time charges could have been brought by DOJ.

Response to triron (Reply #7)

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
12. I believe that Bannon would LIKE to be jailed.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 05:02 PM
Oct 2021

The spectacle would enhance his specific reputation.

He's like Stone in that regard.

Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #12)

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
11. Here are the creds for Daniel Goldman
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 05:00 PM
Oct 2021

I shared his opinion on the subject above, that it cannot be used in this moment.

Former: Lead Counsel, House Impeachment Inquiry; Sr Advisor and Dir of Investigations, HPSCI; AUSA, SDNY (2007-2017).

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
14. I know who he is and respect his work, but without some explanation for his
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 05:06 PM
Oct 2021

disregard for McGrain v. Daugherty, I still have no real answer go the question posed in my OP.

Response to Atticus (Reply #14)

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
19. I'll ask him directly on twitter.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 05:21 PM
Oct 2021

This is what he wrote in his tweet on the matter, earlier:

Inherent contempt is not currently an option for congressional subpoena enforcement because there is no existing process that would meet constitutional due process standards. Both houses should create task forces to examine the issue and propose a constitutional process for it.

Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #11)

Response to stillcool (Reply #17)

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
20. in other words..........follow the Boy Scout Law.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 05:24 PM
Oct 2021

BE PREPARED.

Time is precious. And DETERRENCE depends on speedy application of justice.

Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #20)

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
21. I Don't Believe Any Consequences Will Be Suffered By Those Refusing To Appear
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 05:33 PM
Oct 2021

Referral to DOJ or not, I still see nothing coming of it. There will be lots of excitement and people on DU will get all excited, but when the smoke clears, guys like Bannon, Meadows, Patel, etc, will all be out living their lives as if they haven't a care in the world.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
22. I'm no expert, but I don't see why Congress can't vote to
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 06:01 PM
Oct 2021

Lock him up. I'm sure the Capitol has some sort of holding facility for people who get arrested by Capitol police. People get held in contempt all the time by judges for conduct that happens in court (Try calling a judge a name and see what happens). Bannon doesn't like it, he can file a habeas petition.

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