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Boydog

(718 posts)
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:19 PM Oct 2021

Merrick Garland

I love this man’s heart and intellect, but when it comes to taking the fight to Trump and his thugs, he needs to grow a set. By zeroing in on them and punishing them, he needs to realize he is preserving Democracy.

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Merrick Garland (Original Post) Boydog Oct 2021 OP
Yeah I'm very disappointed by what Joy Reid just reported tulipsandroses Oct 2021 #1
What was her source again? n/t malaise Oct 2021 #3
another post here says the WSJ nt Celerity Oct 2021 #7
Murdoch's WSJ? malaise Oct 2021 #9
Inside the Fight for the Future of The Wall Street Journal Celerity Oct 2021 #19
Thanks malaise Oct 2021 #38
their news division is far better than their RW asshole Editorial Board Celerity Oct 2021 #39
a slap on the wrist will only embolden them Celerity Oct 2021 #5
So What? What Are They Gonna Do, Hang Black Flags On Their Walkers When They Get Out In 2050? nt smb Oct 2021 #8
Most of them are not going to prison for more than a few months Bettie Oct 2021 #15
+10000000000000000 Celerity Oct 2021 #40
The AG doesn't make decisions for line prosecutors. Ocelot II Oct 2021 #13
Actually,... Wuddles440 Oct 2021 #33
This is infuriating! ecstatic Oct 2021 #30
I just think it is wrong that many, many folks at a local level are given walkingman Oct 2021 #31
Yup. Joe Biden needs to have a short talk with him. Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #2
Yes. tell him that Sally Yates is replacing him. Funtatlaguy Oct 2021 #4
Should have been Sally Yates Boydog Oct 2021 #10
Yep. Garland is another Chamberlain. triron Oct 2021 #44
Why do you think he doesn't realize that? Ocelot II Oct 2021 #6
Those jackasses thumbing their noses at subpoenas Boydog Oct 2021 #17
Those are Congressional subpoenas, not court-ordered subpoenas. Ocelot II Oct 2021 #21
Thank you!! PortTack Oct 2021 #20
Yeah, let's jump in and advocate for Chamberlain's 'be nice to Nazis theme'. triron Oct 2021 #45
Oh, please. Ocelot II Oct 2021 #47
I keep thinking MOMFUDSKI Oct 2021 #11
This could depress Dem turnout in 2022. Change your mind, Garland. Funtatlaguy Oct 2021 #18
One must not offend the sensibilities of insurrectionists dalton99a Oct 2021 #12
Enough of him he needs to go. Danmark Oct 2021 #14
It took more than two years just to indict the higher-up Watergate defendants. Ocelot II Oct 2021 #22
We don't have 2 years! triron Oct 2021 #46
My gut tells me that Biden agrees. boston bean Oct 2021 #16
Does your gut have an inside line to the Biden administration? Ocelot II Oct 2021 #24
Biden Chose Him To Be AG SoCalDavidS Oct 2021 #28
My gut tells ME that Biden is furiously trying to stabilize economy & fix Covid... Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #27
You sure you meant to post to me? boston bean Oct 2021 #35
well, not exactly. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #37
Whine, whine, whine... brooklynite Oct 2021 #23
Yeah, kinda reminds me of all the folks who aren't epidemiologists or scientists Ocelot II Oct 2021 #25
Nor do you, I presume. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #29
My wife worked as a Federal Prosecutor... brooklynite Oct 2021 #32
I have a problem with DU members being called "whining" when they express an opinion. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #36
The point is that I know the time that was involved... brooklynite Oct 2021 #42
please point me to where I said "you know he's guilty" Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #43
What then is your argument against the reasonableness of the time involved to date? brooklynite Oct 2021 #48
Fighting fire with fire Boydog Oct 2021 #49
Name one thing he's done that supports your concern. brooklynite Oct 2021 #50
If Garland said what Joy Reid reported Boydog Oct 2021 #51
Cooler heads? ymetca Oct 2021 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Marius25 Oct 2021 #34
Merrick Garland would make a good Supreme Court Justice BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #41

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
1. Yeah I'm very disappointed by what Joy Reid just reported
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:24 PM
Oct 2021

That he thinks giving insurrectionists harsh sentences would further radicalize them. Very disappointed. I hope that report was wrong or he changes course. Does he really think a slap on the hand will make them less radical?

Celerity

(43,389 posts)
19. Inside the Fight for the Future of The Wall Street Journal
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:43 PM
Oct 2021
A special team led by a high-level manager says Rupert Murdoch’s paper must evolve to survive. But a rivalry between editor and publisher stands in the way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/business/media/wall-street-journal-murdoch.html

The Wall Street Journal is a rarity in 21st-century media: a newspaper that makes money. A lot of money. But at a time when the U.S. population is growing more racially diverse, older white men still make up the largest chunk of its readership, with retirees a close second. “The No. 1 reason we lose subscribers is they die,” goes a joke shared by some Journal editors. Now a special innovation team and a group of nearly 300 newsroom employees are pushing for drastic changes at the paper, which has been part of Rupert Murdoch’s media empire since 2007. They say The Journal, often Mr. Murdoch’s first read of the day, must move away from subjects of interest to established business leaders and widen its scope if it wants to succeed in the years to come. The Journal of the future, they say, must pay more attention to social media trends and cover racial disparities in health care, for example, as aggressively as it pursues corporate mergers. That argument has yet to convince executives in the top ranks of the company. The Journal got digital publishing right before anyone else. It was one of the few news organizations to charge readers for online access starting in 1996, during the days of dial-up internet. At the time, most other publications, including The New York Times, bought into the mantra that “information wants to be free” and ended up paying dearly for what turned out to be a misguided business strategy.

As thousands of papers across the country folded, The Journal, with its nearly 1,300-person news staff, made money, thanks to its prescient digital strategy. While that inoculated The Journal against the ravages wrought by an array of unlikely newcomers, from Craigslist to Facebook, it also kept the paper from innovating further. The editor leading the news organization as it figures out how to attract new readers without alienating loyal subscribers is Matt Murray, 54, who got the top job in 2018. He has worked at The Journal for two decades, and his promotion was welcomed by many in the newsroom. Soon after, he assembled a strategy team focused on bringing in new digital subscribers. To oversee the group, Mr. Murray hired Louise Story, a journalist whose career included a decade at The New York Times. She was given a sweeping mandate, marking her as a potential future leader of the paper. She commands a staff of 150 as chief news strategist and chief product and technology officer. Her team helped compile a significant audit of the newsroom’s practices in an effort to boost subscribers and now plays a key role in the newsroom as audience experts, advising other editors on internet-search tactics (getting noticed by Google) and social media to help increase readership.

As the team was completing a report on its findings last summer, Mr. Murray found himself staring down a newsroom revolt. Soon after the killing of George Floyd, staff members created a private Slack channel called “Newsroomies,” where they discussed how The Journal, in their view, was behind on major stories of the day, including the social justice movement growing in the aftermath of Mr. Floyd’s death. Participants also complained that The Journal’s digital presence was not robust enough, and that its conservative opinion department had published essays that did not meet standards applied to the reporting staff. The tensions and challenges are similar to what leaders of other news organizations, including The Times, have heard from their staffs. In July, Mr. Murray received a draft from Ms. Story’s team, a 209-page blueprint on how The Journal should remake itself called The Content Review. It noted that “in the past five years, we have had six quarters where we lost more subscribers than we gained,” and said addressing its slow-growing audience called for significant changes in everything from the paper’s social media strategy to the subjects it deemed newsworthy.

The report argued that the paper should attract new readers — specifically, women, people of color and younger professionals — by focusing more on topics such as climate change and income inequality. Among its suggestions: “We also strongly recommend putting muscle behind efforts to feature more women and people of color in all of our stories.” The Content Review has not been formally shared with the newsroom and its recommendations have not been put into effect, but it is influencing how people work: An impasse over the report has led to a divided newsroom, according to interviews with 25 current and former staff members. The company, they say, has avoided making the proposed changes because a brewing power struggle between Mr. Murray and the new publisher, Almar Latour, has contributed to a stalemate that threatens the future of The Journal. Mr. Murray and Mr. Latour, 50, represent two extremes of the model Murdoch employee. Mr. Murray is the tactful editor; Mr. Latour is the brash entrepreneur. The two rose within the organization at roughly the same time. When the moment came to replace Gerry Baker as the top editor in 2018, both were seen as contenders.

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Ocelot II

(115,711 posts)
13. The AG doesn't make decisions for line prosecutors.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:31 PM
Oct 2021

If they are being given light sentences it's more likely because they are overwhelmed by having to prosecute hundreds of these goons in addition to their usual cases, and because many of the cases involve misdemeanor trespassing on government property, a charge that doesn't carry a stiff penalty anyhow.

Wuddles440

(1,123 posts)
33. Actually,...
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:19 PM
Oct 2021

the AG establishes the priorities and initiatives for the DOJ and the USAs in the respective districts are then responsible for implementing the directives. The AUSAs (line prosecutors), while having some discretionary latitude, are ultimately obligated to follow the departmental policies and directives (set by the AG). The prosecution of the insurrectionist should be the highest priority and those involved in this seditious act should be subjected to the most severe penalties. Considering the significance of the attempted coup and its notoriety in the public forum, charging the participants with minor misdemeanors reflects an institutional desire to minimize the gravity of the actual criminal acts and erase the memory of the heinous incident from the public forum as expeditiously as possible.

walkingman

(7,620 posts)
31. I just think it is wrong that many, many folks at a local level are given
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:13 PM
Oct 2021

much harsher sentences for much lessor crimes. What about the 5 Capitol Police Officers that are dead and the over 140 wounded?

The message being sent is that there is no accountability.

Ocelot II

(115,711 posts)
6. Why do you think he doesn't realize that?
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:28 PM
Oct 2021

Do you have any idea how complex and time-consuming any federal prosecution is, let alone one involving the prosecution of a former president and other administration officials? Or that criminal investigations are not conducted in public in order that potential defendants can't find out whether they will be prosecuted and for what, not to mention so they can't destroy or falsify evidence or threaten, intimidate or bribe potential witnesses, juries or judges? Prosecuting TFG and his goons will be just like a mob prosecution.

Garland took over a gutted, demoralized and corrupted DoJ only about eight months ago. It took more than two years for a functioning DoJ just to indict the major Watergate defendants. Don't assume that nothing is being done just because we aren't getting daily press briefings.

Boydog

(718 posts)
17. Those jackasses thumbing their noses at subpoenas
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:40 PM
Oct 2021

Should land their asses in jail. With Trump’s kind, you have to fight fire with fire.

Ocelot II

(115,711 posts)
21. Those are Congressional subpoenas, not court-ordered subpoenas.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:44 PM
Oct 2021

There's a process whereby the House has to authorize the enforcement of the subpoenas, and DoJ has no power to enforce them until the House tells them to do it.

dalton99a

(81,512 posts)
12. One must not offend the sensibilities of insurrectionists
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:31 PM
Oct 2021

who are hell bent on overthrowing our government by force and violence


Ocelot II

(115,711 posts)
22. It took more than two years just to indict the higher-up Watergate defendants.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:47 PM
Oct 2021

And at that time there was a functioning DoJ, not the gutted shell Garland inherited from TFG and Bill Barr.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
16. My gut tells me that Biden agrees.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:38 PM
Oct 2021

He doesn’t want to make news o fears emboldening them further and entrenching them.

Think ruby ridge and Waco.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
28. Biden Chose Him To Be AG
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:09 PM
Oct 2021

Do you not think President Biden knew exactly what he was getting?

TFG knew what he was getting when he picked Barr. Bill may not have stuck around when it came time to try and overthrow the election, but 99% of everything else he did during his tenure, was pretty much what TFG wanted him to do.

I think there is ZERO chance Biden does anything to Mr. Garland, or criticizes him in ANY way.

Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
27. My gut tells ME that Biden is furiously trying to stabilize economy & fix Covid...
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:08 PM
Oct 2021

....and waiting for public outcry to demand adjudication of MAGA criminals.

And hoping to get the first two done before the third blows up the country in Civil War.

And that's why I will push back against anyone here on DU who tries to tamp down demands for action.

Let the people speak, everyone.

Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
37. well, not exactly.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:26 PM
Oct 2021

I had just read a comment where DUers were called whiners for expressing their opinions.

:-/

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
23. Whine, whine, whine...
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:48 PM
Oct 2021

Strangely, none of the people complaining about the unacceptable schedule for indictments and prosecutions have a professional background in criminal justice.

Ocelot II

(115,711 posts)
25. Yeah, kinda reminds me of all the folks who aren't epidemiologists or scientists
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:50 PM
Oct 2021

or doctors who've been dragging Dr. Fauci for recommending vaccinations and masks instead of Clorox and livestock dewormer.

Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
29. Nor do you, I presume.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:10 PM
Oct 2021

Let the people speak.

No need to hammer rank and file Democrats when they express an opinion.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
32. My wife worked as a Federal Prosecutor...
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:16 PM
Oct 2021

I have no objection to someone saying they’r unhappy with how long its taking. I DO have an objection to people saying his Garland isn’t doing an acceptable job (which, by implication, means that Biden isn’t doing an acceptable job either).

Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
36. I have a problem with DU members being called "whining" when they express an opinion.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:23 PM
Oct 2021

And maybe your wife would like to address us directly.

My husband worked as Chief of Audit for a multi-state region of IRS. But my opinion about taxes or anyone's liability would be worth diddly squat.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
42. The point is that I know the time that was involved...
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 10:10 PM
Oct 2021

…in her preparation of cases far less serious than indicting a former President.

Perhaps you feel that “you know he’s guilty” is an adequate argument?

Boydog

(718 posts)
49. Fighting fire with fire
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 12:36 PM
Oct 2021

When you are fighting thugs and criminals who are ok with demolishing the constitution and doing away with our democracy, the only thing to do is to eliminate them. With Merrick Garland, I hope I’m not seeing the return of Neville Chamberlain

Boydog

(718 posts)
51. If Garland said what Joy Reid reported
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 12:47 PM
Oct 2021

about being concerned about radicalizing domestic terrorists from jail terms, he is part of the problem. Being tough with these people and punishing them to the letter of the law might just save our way of life.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
26. Cooler heads?
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:55 PM
Oct 2021

One might argue that lighter sentences for those with no history of arrest and genuine penitence would be in order. That's the "cooler heads" argument, which keeps the lunatics from worse acts of violence.

But it seems to me the argument isn't really about all these low-hanging fruit, but about the goons that started this not being held to full account.

And we all know who was atop this steaming pile of crap, and still spewing bile.

He needs to go down, and go down hard, for all this to really start tapering off.

Does Garland have the guts? We'll see.

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