This is Tina Forte, who is challenging AOC for her seat. Seems like she would be a downgrade.

[Celerity]

Link to tweet

AOC Challenger Tina Forte Promoted and Attended Jan. 6 Capitol Riot

In this special investigation, Snopes found that the apparent QAnon believer livestreamed to Facebook Live the day of the attack on the U.S. Capitol.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/08/25/tina-forte-capitol-riot/

[betsuni]

5. You're saying DUers would support a Republican?

"I suspect there will be those on DU that support this challenger." What do you mean by that?

[Hortensis]

10. Considering that some of Sanders' most loyal followers

angrily voted for tRump/Repubs after he lost the primary big time, and that the same people promised they'd do the same the next time, perhaps this is predicting they'll repeat their spite voting in the midterms?

I kinda doubt Ocasio-Cortez is worried about them, no matter how often she votes with the rest of the Democratic house members. And certainly not this "challenger." Only residents of that district have a say.

[rgbecker]

19. Hope you will provide a link supporting your claim that "most loyal followers"

of Sen Sanders voted for Republicans. Quite a claim, to say the least.

[Nixie]

20. Why did you misquote?

[luv2fly]

21. Not a misquote, read the title that's what it says n/t

[Nixie]

24. Why misquote? Omitting words is misquoting.

Example:

“You did lose two national primaries.”
You did not lose two national primaries.

Same words, pretty much, but one word was intentionally omitted, so it’s a misquote.

[luv2fly]

28. Not sure why this is hard

Title of post: Considering that some of Sanders' most loyal followers

First line of text: angrily voted for tRump/Repubs...

Put them together and what do you have?

[Nixie]

29. That's not what was quoted.

You added to the part they omitted.

Why misquote? Yes, Not sure why that’s so hard.

[luv2fly]

30. I added nothing

Copy and paste job.

[Nixie]

35. That's not what was quoted.

You added parts of the post that were not in the original quote from another poster.

What you snipped was not what the other poster snipped. Omitting words is misquoting.

[luv2fly]

42. You make no sense but hey, have a good day n/t

[Nixie]

54. Someone else pointed it out to you, too, so it does

make sense. Just a simple reading shows that.

I had a great day, thanks.

[lapucelle]

55. The poster makes perfect sense, and it is not a copy and paste.

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[Nixie]

59. Thanks. A simple reading shows the " some of..."

versus the truncated “most.” I’m on my phone so can’t link, but a simple reading shows the omitted words. Thx 👍

[luv2fly]

66. See post 30

Good grief.

[Nixie]

79. Good grief, indeed.

Post 10:
“some of Sanders’ most loyal followers”

Truncated to:

Post 19:
“most loyal followers”

“Most loyal followers” is not “some of Sanders’ most loyal followers”. It’s something different and is a misquote. Why misquote?

Good grief, indeed.

[Hortensis]

27. I thought everyone did. They're a rather constant little electoral demo,

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though who gets what proportion of their vote each GE values. The election I remember data for this small demographic that claimed to support a Democrat in the primary at least showed that in the GE @12% voted for tRump, 2% didn't vote, and the rest voted third party. Researchers went back to the same people the next time, and they were again eager to promise they wouldn't vote for any of the Democratic candidates if their candidate didn't win the primary, don't know how they voted in the end. It's been a while, but you can find reports if you look. And with the 2022 midterms coming up, at some point someone will interview some of the more public figures or groups and quote their intentions. Not big news, but with margins as narrow as they are it'll show up in political reporting.

Should point out that the candidates they decide to award their passionate support to didn't create this small demo within the hostile left. They've always been around, with the usual age replacement over the decades. Their type voted Nader to save America from Gore, for instance. Each election they declare the same values and goals as liberals do (but far better!) Some hope to be able to vote Democratic if we produce a candidate who isn't a corporatist warmonger practically as bad as the Republicans, but apparently we never do.

Those people, bless their noisy little hearts. Underlining that under half were so disappointed that they voted tRump/GOP, but that is what we're talking about and some did identify, or had, as Democrats.

A lot of the far-left noise was a call for Democrats to abandon the party or at least refuse to vote, so look for that again, for 2024 anyway. Midterm elections don't offer the same chance to hope for a great leader and be disappointed, of course, but you can be sure they, and the hostiles with big pockets who promote them, will be out noisy in force for 2024. It's going to be an existential election and a chance for spoilers, and those who use them, to make them felt again.

[George II]

33. The exact quote is:

"...some of Sanders' most loyal followers..." not just "...Sanders' most loyal followers..."

[Nixie]

36. Thanks. It is so obvious, but....

[Hekate]

57. Diagram the sentence thusly...

“SOME of Sanders’ most loyal (i.e die-hards/bitter enders) followers…”

Not all, not most, but SOME of the bitterest. And I sure do remember the Never-Hillary bunch. That would be them.

[luv2fly]

22. Have any proof?

I've never read nor heard this until now. Please provide proof.

[Nixie]

26. It looks like post 6 is the level of proof you're seeking.

[luv2fly]

31. That makes no sense

Two pics?

Whatever.

[BradAllison]

61. There were a few who were convinced her.....

...knockoff Maria Bartoromo primary challenger was going to win in 2018.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

6. Lol

Round up the usuals

[George II]

17. What's that supposed to mean?

[Nixie]

18. It looks like some bitter losers who couldn't even win

a primary one time.

[SunImp]

56. You could also say the same for people still crying about their 2016 loss to Trump

It's 2021 now though so let's quit this infighting bullshit and work to get rid of Republicans from office.

[Nixie]

58. Not really the same, sorry.

Trump trolls aren’t allowed here.

[SunImp]

60. Antagonistic people aren't allowed here either, but they are here

Core principles
Democratic Underground is an online community for friendly, politically liberal people who understand the importance of working together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. Constructive criticism of Democratic politicians, party officials, and public figures is welcome and encouraged, but we expect our members to follow our forum rules and participate in a manner which promotes a positive atmosphere.

Members are not expected to hold across-the-board progressive opinions on every single issue, but we do expect members to be generally progressive and to support Democrats at election time -- remember that and respect it when posting. Harsh, divisive, partisan attacks against Democrats or progressive values (from the right or the left) are not welcome here.

But above all, we want our members to be friendly to each other. The vast majority of our members are thoughtful people who care about issues, and most of us can handle a different opinion if it is shared in a respectful way. No matter where you stand on the political spectrum, a little human kindness goes a long way toward smoothing over our differences and making this place feel like a community.

[Nixie]

62. Thanks for pointing out that picture was meant to be antagonistic.

[SunImp]

63. So saying "some bitter losers" is being friendly in your world?

Ok

[Nixie]

64. Projection, but no thanks for this tangent.

You have a great night.

[SunImp]

65. Lol

Hopefully you'll let go of all your bitterness one day. Have a good night too

[Nixie]

67. LOL, more projection

Edit: I’m very happy with my winning votes. So this angle doesn’t make sense, sorry.

[betsuni]

25. The usual what? Supporters of the Democratic Party?

Why would anyone think Democrats would support a Republican? What are you trying to say?

[Hortensis]

37. God, I'm getting old. The lower one looks like friends

posing for some foolery.

[demmiblue]

44. Lol!

[argyl]

2. Anybody would be a downgrade from AOC.

She can smear away, she ain't got a snowball's chance in hell.

Although I've heard of a secret tape of AOC dancing and actually enjoying herself. That would of course ruin her chances of re-election.


Geez, AOC had just taken office when she was invited to SXSW in Austin. She was a smash there. And this is a really big gathering and she just shined. People from all over the world go there.

A niece of mine lives in Austin and told me one year she saw the police block off an intersection for a helicopter to land. The passenger, by his dress and the cops allowing him that privilege, looked to be Saudi royalty.
He probably payed a mint for that little courtesy.

[DFW]

11. The tape is not so secret

Starting at 0:55 or so:

[argyl]

13. I guess I needed one of those sarcasm thingies.

[argyl]

16. BTW, I was really impressed by the backing music.

I'd never even heard of The Freedom Toast, but apparently they're a collection of musicians from a number of countries who get together and play. Guess there's no gathering of all of them at any one time.
I was looking for some info on them. I really liked the guitar work on this "Memphis" parody.

[niyad]

34. Many of the Freedom Toast's lyrics are written by DU'er DFW.

[DFW]

43. Guilty as charged!

My brother wrote two of them, actually, both sung by Deb Bowman: "Stand With Your Man" with Deb as Tammy Wynette, and "Dumb Down," with Deb as a very convincing Petula Clark. I wrote the rest.

[argyl]

69. That's some smoking work also. Really enjoyed it.

What little I could find out about these guys was pretty much confirmed in much more depth by you.

A group of really talented musicians spread out over a number of countries who do this as a very worthy contribution to helping preserve our democracy. I'm sure they all have steady gigs as professional musicians and donate their time to this very worthy cause. I've maybe even heard of some of them.

Anyway, thanks for the update. Man, is there anybody worth knowing that you don't know or any worthwhile project you don't have a part in?

You really keep busy in a very good way.
Thanks.

[DFW]

81. I don't know if it's all good

But I definitely do keep busy. It beats boredom!

And I assure you, there are LOTS of people I don’t know. Most of them, in fact

[DFW]

41. I guess my feelings should be hurt, but it's OK

The Freedom Toast is a project that grew out of the Renaissance Weekend gatherings in Charleston, South Carolina. The name stems from when the Republicans tried (and missed) to insult the French for not participating in the 2003 Iraq invasion. They changed French Fries on the House menu to Freedom Fries, and French Toast to Freedom Toast. The idiots never realized that French Toast was named for Joseph French, who supposedly invented it. They also never knew that "French Fries" are a Belgian specialty, and that the French had been (somewhat jokingly) after us for years to stop using their name for something Belgian. So, finally one group of American idiots finally decides to accommodate their wishes, and thinks it's an insult.

As for gathering together and playing--I wish we could manage that! With the musical director in Atlanta and me in Germany, we rarely get the chance to all be in the studio at the same time. Usually we jumble studio time, send tracks back and forth, and use internet technology to produce our result. I do all the lyrics, and occasionally get to participate with a guitar track or two, although "Hatch," an Alabama Republican with a sense of humor, is our lead guitarist. Our vocalists are loose group of "when we have time" people who include our studio engineer (he did Washington, DC), but also a brilliant George Benson soundalike (In DC), a Sinatra soundalike (Strangers on the Right), our Parody Project partner, Don Caron* in the Pacific Northwest, who did Jimmy Buffet (Wasting Away in Mar-a-Lagoville), as well as just about all Paul Simon melodies) and our incredibly brilliant Deborah Bowman, who sounds EXACTLY like Petula Clark (Dumb Down), Tammy Wynette (Stand With Your Man, Cher (The Tweet Goes On), Dolly Parton (Marge Greene), and Ethel Merman (NO Business), and that's not even all of our videos she has sung on. She, too, is from Alabama. One of our guys, Sam Hagan, is already out of the picture (cancer), and we miss him greatly. A gospel singer by training, he sang the stunning lead on "Stoop Low, You Media" on our CD when we first got The Freedom Toast together in Atlanta. We put out "Sing Along With The Democrats" and "Sing Along With The Republicans." Both CDs trashed the Republicans, of course.

We would LOVE to actually perform some time, but it's impossible to get us all in a studio at one time, much less have a schedule permitting the preparation that would go into a live show. In another lifetime, maybe.

As for information on us, I guess I'd be as good a source of that as any............

Most of our best material can be heard here: https://www.jango.com/music/The+Freedom+Toast

*Don Caron has dozens of really great videos of his own as The Parody Project, by the way. You might want to check them out, too.

[DFW]

45. You might like the guitar work on these two, as well:

and

[LeftInTX]

3. Just a looney tune who won't get anywhere

[TreasonousBastard]

4. The Snopes piece is devastating, if any of her people care. Little...

chance she'll do well against AOC.

(If she's not in jail over Jan 6)

[SergeStorms]

12. Just another rabid Q-uack....

with anger management issues. The GQP seems to love this type, for whatever reason, but all of her "followers" are spread across the crazy Q-nation, and are not located in AOC's district.

I believe she has absolutely no chance of unseating AOC, but will be screaming bloody murder when she has a mud-hole stomped in her ass in November.

BIG MOUTH, no brain. The prototypical GQP candidate since TFG hijacked the republican party. Destined to fail.

[Polybius]

46. Did she actually go in the building during the riot?

That Snopes piece was way too long, I read it for 5 minutes and probably had 10 more to go.

[TreasonousBastard]

53. Beats me. I had the same problem, but got through the whole piece. Don't remember all of it, though.

[ck4829]

7. Ah yes, the "vanifesto"... she's a keeper for the GOP.

[ibegurpard]

8. Makes about as much sense

As throwing money at Marjorie Taylor Greene's opponent. That district ain't going to budge. Yes it's important to build poltical infrastructure everywhere and make sure that all people have a meaningful choice on the ballot. Just be aware that THAT is what you ought to be funding. Don't be entertaining fantasies of actually taking out nuts like Greene or Gates without serious investment over time. Like decades.

[SergeStorms]

9. Boebert - brilliant.

Two words that have absolutely no business being used in the same sentence.

[niyad]

47. Only if the word NOT is between them!

[progressoid]

14. She seems nice...

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[Hortensis]

39. Guessing she'd rip out Boebert's throat instead if that was an advantage.

And vice versa. My god, the -paths that party is attracting.

[Dorian Gray]

15. lol

she's got no chance in her district. This is just looney nonsense.

[luv2fly]

23. They have nice teeth

That's the best I can say.

[brooklynite]

32. Why should we care?

AOC is safe in her D+25 district.

[Nixie]

38. But the gutterball Twitter wars will be epic!

That’s probably all the challengers are after anyway.

[FSogol]

40. The next time we hear from Forte is when she claims the vote was rigged and calls for a recount.

[Polybius]

48. She gives Brooklyn Italians a bad name

I'm half Italian myself, and my mom used to say how loud, cursing, combatant Italians from Brooklyn are the reason there's still a stereotype against us.

[Celerity]

49. she is from the Bronx, but I agree on your overall point

[Polybius]

50. Thanks, didn't know that

The Bronx has (or had) some of the most hardcore Italians you can find, so that makes sense.

[Celerity]

51. if she was from Brooklyn she would be outside the 14th district

[George II]

52. Candidates for Congress don't need to live in their district, just their state.

[Celerity]

78. Yes, but it'd be a bad look, remember what happened to Ossoff in his House race

in 2017 against that POS Handel?


Jon Ossoff doesn't live in his district. That might be a problem.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/19/politics/jon-ossoff-karen-handel-georgia/index.html

[Hobo]

68. She seems nice......

Not

Hobo

[Celerity]

70. the Bronx version of Empty G

[LetMyPeopleVote]

71. I will be curious to see of Team Blue PAC runs a primary vs. AOC

The crazy republican in the OP is no threat but it would be interesting to see Hakeem Jeffires' Team Blue PAC runs a democrat against AOC in the primary

[Celerity]

72. They would get crushed, just like the Rethug-in-Dem-clothing poseur did in 2020.

Plus, as Hakeem Jeffries definitely has Speaker ambitions (or Minority Leader if we lose the House), he is not going to shit-stir AOC and the 96-strong (at present) Progressive Caucus.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

73. There are some great material on Just Us Democrats that will be interesting

You know that the Justice Democrats are going to primary Hakeem Jeffries. That contest will be fun to watch in addition to a possible primary of AOC by Team Blue PAC and Hakeem Jeffries.

I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the "brand new congress" group and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all "corporate democrats." The posts attacking the DCCC for raising money to elect real Democrats are really amusing.

I have been following number of posters on twitter who dislike the Justice Democrats. There are a large number posters on twitter who have issues with the concept of the Justice Democrat group wanting to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. I am a regular democrat who does not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.

Link to tweet

Other posters have issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party

Link to tweet

Again the above posts are consistent with the hatred of the Democratic Party that I see on the almost daily emails that I get from the Justice Democrats. Do you approve of the hatred of the DCCC, the mainstream Democratic Party, corporate Democrats, and establishment Democrats? I have worked inside the party for decades and I find these attacks distasteful

I am also getting daily emails from AOC that I find to be sad but amusing.

Again, this will be a fun primary to watch. Jeffries and company have a ton of material to use in such a primary. I will also enjoy seeing a Just Us Democrat try to primary Jeffries

[Celerity]

74. AOC left JD in June 2018, right after she won her 2018 primary.

She is not affiliated with them. Saikat Chakrabarti has not been affiliated with AOC for well over 2 years.

Trying to tie her to JD is a dog that just wont hunt.


https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/03/07/aoc-chief-of-staff/

In January 2017 Chakrabarti was also co-founder of the “Justice Democrats” PAC, although he was never listed as the committee’s treasurer in FEC filings. He was registered as the entity’s executive director in 2018, although attorneys for Ocasio-Cortez told us he left the board of Justice Democrats in January 2019, and Ocasio-Cortez left the board of directors in June 2018.

But Corbin Trent, the congresswoman’s spokesman, said she left the PAC as soon as she beat Crowley.

“She left the board, I think it was the day after the primary. They just filed the paperwork in D.C. (this month) So there was a change there,” he said.

He also said Ocasio-Cortez sent an email to the Justice Democrats’ lawyer announcing her resignation.

“We all resigned because we thought it was the right thing to do, not because it was the law,” Trent told The Post.

snip

Also, Cenk resigned from JD on December 22, 2017, and Kulinski resigned the next day.




I am sorry that you and others apparently cannot get over AOC winning and then being re-elected, but nothing you can do will stop her as long as she desires to serve in the House.

As for your issues with JD, knock yourself out, I am no fangirl.



you said:

I am also getting daily emails from AOC that I find to be sad but amusing.

unsubscribe and your problem there is resolved

[LetMyPeopleVote]

75. LOL. I enjoy laughing at the Just Us Dem and AOC emails

Once again you are totally WRONG about AOC and the Just Us Democrats. AOC has been sending out emails on behalf of the Just Us Democrats and the Just us Democrats have been sending out emails for AOC. Does the Just Us Democrats know that AOC quit them? Why is AOC sending emails out for the Just Us Democrats?

I really love the fact that the podcast for the justice Democrats is called “just us” Democrats I have forced my self to listen to one of these podcasts and AOC was mentioned

[Celerity]

76. Have fun with those primary challengers to AOC. I hope you max out to every single filer in the

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Dem primary for NY-14 who is a challenger. It will be money well spent. Well, maybe not, but I encourage you to do it anyway.

[Nixie]

80. Are you advocating to support Republicans...? Suggesting

a Democrat here max out contributions? Wow.

[Celerity]

84. what are you in about, where did I ever mention Rethugs in that reply?

But you knew that I am sure.

[Nixie]

86. You state there are no Dem challengers ( we know), but

encourage to contribute the max anyway. You’ve posted the only thread —- about a Republican challenger.

[Celerity]

88. the poster I replied to was speculating about a primary challenge to AOC

plus

Even if Team Blue PAC does not run a primary challenger vs. AOC, (and I, as stated before, doubt they will) there will be others who foolishly think they can defeat her.

There was nothing ambiguous in any of my replies.

[BradAllison]

87. A fool and their money are soon parted

Why any "good Democrat" would waste their money trying to primary AOC or Jayapal or whomever because they are obsessed with keeping the Democratic party as moderate as possible is beyond me. Give a few more bucks to Exxon Joe Manchin and Kryyyyystian "Fuck Off, Minorities!" Cinnabon instead, as if they need it.

[betsuni]

83. What primary challengers to AOC? What's a "filler"?

[Celerity]

85. filer, was a typo, corrected, thanks

as for challengers, the other poster kicked this all off by speculating about that

[LetMyPeopleVote]

89. I will let Team Blue PAC pick the challenger

Link to tweet

Three senior House Democrats have launched a new political group to defend incumbents facing primary challenges, according to the group's founders.

The political action committee, called Team Blue, will fill a gap for members running for re-election who might not be able to get help from the official committees of the Democratic Party to fend off primary challenges.....

Some of those primary challengers enjoy well-funded support from outside groups. Justice Democrats and Courage to Change, left-wing groups that enjoy support from well-known members like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., have been unafraid to pump money into races to oust Democratic incumbents.

The PAC is being established by three rising stars in the House Democratic Caucus: Reps. Hakeem Jeffries of New York, Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey and Terri Sewell of Alabama.

"The House Democratic Caucus is the most diverse and vibrant legislative caucus in the history of the republic," Jeffries said in an interview. "This effort to protect our incredible members is an extension of my job as caucus chair: to ensure that members are successful as elected representatives and building campaigns to communicate with the people they represent.".

Again, this will be fun to watch

BTW, today's Just Us Democrat email was so whiny that it was amusing.

[Celerity]

90. Team Blue PAC is (quote) 'a new political group to defend incumbents facing primary challenges'

They are not going to run a challenger to AOC, that would open hypocrisy from them.

The entire construct is just wishful projection from you.

Doesn't matter anyway, as AOC is pretty much untouchable at this point.

BTW, today's Just Us Democrat email was so whiny that it was amusing.

same advice as I gave for your AOC emails

unsubscribe and your agita will go down

life is too short to actually invite shit that obviously is a trigger into one's inbox

I would never subscribe to Trump or other Rethug mailing lists for the same reason

but hey, if being wound up constantly floats your boat, then by all means, carry on

cheers

[LetMyPeopleVote]

91. Since Justice Democrats are primarying real democrats, I suspect that Jeffries will return the favor

There are some fun material on the Justice Democrats that will be coming out this cycle. I love the Justice Democrats podcast being named "Just Us" where they talk about destroying the Democratic Party to rebuild it.

BTW, Team Blue Pac is mentioned in the Just Us emails that I find so amusing.

This is only part of the story. Not only will these corporate candidates spend their millions to defeat Odessa, Rana, and Kina. They will have establishment PACs like the Democratic Majority for Israel, Team Blue PAC, and others spending huge sums to smear Justice Democrats.

Team Blue PAC with Hakeem Jeffries, the 4th most powerful Democrat in the House. They formed Team Blue PAC specifically to protect corporate incumbents from progressive primary challengers

Gottheimer also recently started Team Blue PAC with Hakeem Jeffries, the 4th most powerful Democrat in the House. They formed Team Blue PAC specifically to protect corporate incumbents from progressive primary challengers. They even named two of our races as top priorities for their PAC. We can expect a slew of negative ads against AT LEAST two of our Justice Democrats-endorsed primary challengers next year.

This also amused me

Link to tweet

Again, I am amused that you are WRONG yet again.

[George II]

92. Team Blue PAC is going to be a big factor in the primaries next year. It's amazing that the....

....Justice Democrats, and the several organizations associated with them, are upset with Team Blue PAC because they'll be doing the same thing that they've been doing for a few years now.

[JustAnotherGen]

93. What is a corporate incumbent?

The same buzz word over and over again

[LetMyPeopleVote]

94. I personally am amused by the term "corporate democrat" because I am a corporate lawyer

This term really amuses me.

I think that this term refers to anyone the Justice Democrats and affiliates disagree with

[Tommymac]

95. I think the term refers to Democrats like Sen Manchin and Sen Sinema.

They both seem to be wallowing in Corporate Campaign Contributions...god only knows how much corporate CU Dark Money they have gotten.

Neither is supporting President Joe Biden's BBB agenda at this time.

AOC IS supporting it.

70% of the People support it. 48 OTHER Democratic Senators support it.

50 Rethuglicans DO NOT support it. The Koch family does not support it. Big Pharma does not support it. Big Energy does not support it.

Hmmmm...

Regardless, have a nice day, and I will not reply because I will not see it.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

96. I am on the Justice Democrats email feed

They use this term to refer to voters who do not donate to their candidates or who do not agree with their plan to destroy the Democratic party and remake it into their own image. If you want to be disgusted, go listen to this group's pod cast which is called "Just Us" democrats

[betsuni]

82. Guess someone should tell Justice Democrats that AOC has nothing to do with them because

they very often mention her in their fundraising emails, and she endorses JD candidates, repeats JD language and policy positions.

And I thought primary challengers were good. "Holding feet to the fire" and making candidates better. Guess not always!