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douglas9

(4,358 posts)
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 06:33 AM Oct 2021

Prosecutor drops felony charge against central Pa. man for 43-cent 'theft'

The Perry County district attorney’s office dismissed a felony charge that Pennsylvania State Police had filed against a homeless man after he paid $2 for Mt. Dew drink that cost $2.29.

Joseph Sobolewski maintained all along that his arrest for retail theft after visiting the Exxon at 3298 Susquehanna Trail in Duncannon was a misunderstanding. He said he saw a sign for 20-ounce Mountain Dew bottles: 2 for $3.

He grabbed a bottle, slapped $2 on the counter and walked out.

What he didn’t know was a single bottle was $2.29, not $1.50. So he had shorted the store 29 cents plus tax, or 43 cents total.

The store called police, who tracked him down. Pennsylvania State police Trooper Johnathan Sullivan charged him with a felony, and a Magisterial District Judge Jackie Leister locked him up for seven days on $50,000 cash-only bond. He was facing up to seven years behind bars because of Pennsylvania’s “three-strikes” law that mandates a third theft charge must be a felony regardless of the amount.


https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/10/prosecutor-drops-felony-charge-against-central-pa-man-for-43-cent-theft.html

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Prosecutor drops felony charge against central Pa. man for 43-cent 'theft' (Original Post) douglas9 Oct 2021 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #1
This is called a "de minimis" infraction. no_hypocrisy Oct 2021 #2
I have a disabled van with side entry TrogL Oct 2021 #11
Qualification: 2:00 in the morning with no other cars in the lot. no_hypocrisy Oct 2021 #12
TFB. I do traffic enforcement for a living TrogL Oct 2021 #13
That why prosecutors and defense attorneys understand "de minimis" and not meter maids so much. fescuerescue Oct 2021 #17
Because I can't read minds TrogL Oct 2021 #18
I know. It's real busy at 2:00am fescuerescue Oct 2021 #24
Yup. 9 am rolls around, he's still there, handicapped can't park TrogL Oct 2021 #27
A little harsh...No? radicalleft Oct 2021 #14
When a BMW driver parked blocking 3 handicapped stalls.. TrogL Oct 2021 #16
But that isn't the scenario the poster proposed, is it? Mariana Oct 2021 #20
Rather like charging someone with a felony over 43 cents. Mariana Oct 2021 #21
False equivalence TrogL Oct 2021 #28
Strawman arguments are dishonest. nt. Mariana Oct 2021 #29
What a complete waste of time and resources tulipsandroses Oct 2021 #3
The guy was poor Best_man23 Oct 2021 #4
Yes. Shop owner (or operator) stopdiggin Oct 2021 #6
Not to mention, this store was also an Exxon station. intheflow Oct 2021 #9
Gas stations don't belong to oil companies jmowreader Oct 2021 #22
Reminds me of the liberalhistorian Oct 2021 #23
They Revised The Law Here In Illinois ProfessorGAC Oct 2021 #26
What does a $.43 crime cost the taxpayer? OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #7
The money spent on the foolish arrest of this man would have done some good if it had been Vinca Oct 2021 #5
That is absolutely not theft. The man paid what he thought was the correct amount berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #15
... and this is the reason why we have more people in jail per capita than any other country. uponit7771 Oct 2021 #10
I hope he sues and wins a big settlement. lindysalsagal Oct 2021 #19
When the cops... lame54 Oct 2021 #25

Response to douglas9 (Original post)

no_hypocrisy

(46,114 posts)
2. This is called a "de minimis" infraction.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 06:39 AM
Oct 2021

In legal terms, you technically broke the law, but the offense wasn't anticipated when the legislation was passed due to its minimal damage to society, IOW, the damage was trivial. Examples are being arrested for theft when you take an orange with you when you leave an all-you-can-eat buffet or park in a handicapped spot at McDonald's for 30 seconds at 2:00 in the morning.

What's unusual is the prosecutor dropping the charges. Usually it's the defense attorney who makes the de minimis motion.

https://law.justia.com/codes/pennsylvania/2010/title-18/chapter-3/312

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
11. I have a disabled van with side entry
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:15 AM
Oct 2021

Those large handicapped stalls are the only place I can unload.

What the FUCK makes you are entitled to park there for 30 seconds while I'm out in the parking lot blocking traffic with people honking and yelling at me?

no_hypocrisy

(46,114 posts)
12. Qualification: 2:00 in the morning with no other cars in the lot.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:28 AM
Oct 2021

Four other handicapped spaces unoccupied.

This is de minimis for the situation described, not universal.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
18. Because I can't read minds
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:09 PM
Oct 2021

I can write a ticket in 2 minutes. I don't have time to wait around for somebody's "just a minute" that's really a half hour.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
16. When a BMW driver parked blocking 3 handicapped stalls..
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:06 PM
Oct 2021

...announces (in that I can do whatever I want) that ne of voice) "oh, I'm just going to be a minute" when I can see the lineup stretching out the door, it gets a bit frustrating.

You would not believe the abusive calls my office reveives.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
3. What a complete waste of time and resources
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 07:23 AM
Oct 2021

There is this thing called discretion. Thank goodness the prosecutor knew how to use it. That cop never heard of it?

I know for the sake of being contrarian, someone will come along and say but he broke the law. Cops use their discretion in many instances. How many of us have been given a warning when we violated a traffic law? I know I have. Twice that I can remember. How much did it cost tax payers to hold this man? Then pay for a public defender if he was assigned one? A heck of a lot more than 43 cents

Best_man23

(4,898 posts)
4. The guy was poor
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 07:54 AM
Oct 2021

The poor and persons of color gets the smackdown, that is how the Blue Street Gang rolls. The store owner should have been called out for calling the cops for a de minimis amount.

Kudos to the prosecutor for dismissing this travesty.

stopdiggin

(11,311 posts)
6. Yes. Shop owner (or operator)
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 08:46 AM
Oct 2021

deserves a swift kick here as well. Not many people pointing to that. And it going off track a little - but these 'rip joints' are constantly doing crap like the '$3 for 2, but $2.29 for a single' snow job - together with routine outrageous overcharging. (IMO) it's really no wonder that their reputation in the community ranks right up there with the payday lenders.

intheflow

(28,475 posts)
9. Not to mention, this store was also an Exxon station.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 09:56 AM
Oct 2021

But I'm sure an oil corporation can't absorb $.43 of loss.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
22. Gas stations don't belong to oil companies
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 06:30 PM
Oct 2021

They’re privately owned enterprises that make the same kind of deal with, say, Exxon that a burger joint makes with Coca-Cola: agree to sell only that brand of fuel in your store and the oil company provides signage so you know you’re getting Exxon gas rather than Shell or Chevron.

Here’s a wild one: the gas station across the street from the house I used to live in changed from Exxon to Chevron. Chevron wanted him to use their special dispensers for their gas, so the process of changing brands included selling through all the Exxon gas, removing his old dispensers, and installing new Chevron dispensers in their place. And now he has nice new dispensers on his forecourt.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
23. Reminds me of the
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 07:01 PM
Oct 2021

convenience store owner who called police on a patron who'd bought coffee and grabbed some creamers before leaving. That's what they're there for, right? Not according to this dipshit asshat. He told the cop that she'd taken too many creamers, while the woman laughed her ass off because she thought he'd been joking at first about calling the cops and she couldn't believe his stupidity, that he'd actually done it.

But what was really entertaining was seeing the cop's response (the woman recorded the whole thing). The cop basically told the idiot owner, as professionally as he could, that it was not a police matter, that there was nothing the cop could or would do about it, and that it was a waste of police resources. Idiot owner didn't like that, but cop held firm. The customer told the owner good luck getting more business after this. Lol.

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
26. They Revised The Law Here In Illinois
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 08:38 PM
Oct 2021

With t these "twofers" the law even specifies how big the lettering of the single price needs to be.
No "2 for $3" in 96 in two inch letters then, "single price $2.29" in letters one needs a magnifying glass to read.
IIRC, the single price has to be "obvious & legible, and at least one-third the print size of the promo price. And, if it's not marked, the price of has to be a simple fraction of the sale price.
I see it now at our supermarkets.
One of them always seems to have a deal on one grand of ice cream or another. Once ice cream was $3.59 a carton but 8 for $18. The single price was as plain as day.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
5. The money spent on the foolish arrest of this man would have done some good if it had been
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 08:05 AM
Oct 2021

used, instead, to find him a place to live and a way to support himself.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
8. That is absolutely not theft. The man paid what he thought was the correct amount
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 09:31 AM
Oct 2021

How many times have registers shorted patrons? The stores aren’t charged with theft.

And we don’t have debtors prisons here.

Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #8)

lame54

(35,290 posts)
25. When the cops...
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 07:17 PM
Oct 2021

- who should never had been called - showed up they should have slapped 30 cents on the counter and left

That's how you keep the peace

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