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Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:57 AM Oct 2021

Republicans are legitimately asking "When do we get to start killing people?"



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Sayre Peterson
@sayre26

When more people end up dead because of the lies people like
@charliekirk11 are spreading, they need to be held accountable. Republicans are legitimately asking “When do we get to start killing people?” It doesn’t matter if they denounce violence. Their lies are inspiring it.


11:01 PM · Oct 25, 2021
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Republicans are legitimately asking "When do we get to start killing people?" (Original Post) Nevilledog Oct 2021 OP
" we certainly don't want any violence (nudge nudge wink wink)" Walleye Oct 2021 #1
They seem awfully sure of themselves gratuitous Oct 2021 #2
WTF is this shit. Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #3
Hey FBI, take a good long look at this dude and put him in your database Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #5
I have two family members who I'm pretty sure would love to kill some libs. -nt CrispyQ Oct 2021 #4
Small minority of people convinced they are the large majority Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #6
Exactly. Xolodno Oct 2021 #7
Elections are the purest expression of this delusion for them Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #9
Science is in fact "liberally biased". Caliman73 Oct 2021 #8
have you guys gojoe12 Oct 2021 #10

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. They seem awfully sure of themselves
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:02 PM
Oct 2021

They apparently don't think they'll meet any resistance or that anyone will be so dastardly as to shoot back. They sound like nothing so much as the cocksure Confederates in Gone With The Wind, ready to win the war for the South before the first shot was ever fired.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
6. Small minority of people convinced they are the large majority
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:17 PM
Oct 2021

The belief that they are the "real" or "silent" majority drips off everything they say. Their leaders have warped their sense of reality. That belief gives them the right to kill, the right to break the law, and the right to ignore the majority to them.

You see it here, they lost an election, by 7 million votes, yet their delusions preclude them from even having to recognize that the majority f the country prefers Biden. This is incredibly dangerous, they've minimized and dehumanized the majority of the country and are now talking about killing them.

It spreads to every issue. Especially Covid. Whenever you hear them speak about Covid, they act like they're speaking for 80% of the country when really it's only 20% that are anti vaccine and mask mandates. 78% of the US eligible population has take n at least 1 dose of the vaccine, almost 4 in 5 people are OK with the vaccine. Yet every time one of these anti vaxxers open their mouth, they sound like it's the vast majority of the country that is with them.

They've reached this level of derangement by being taught that science and polling are liberally biased.

This is no joke, this is how genocides start, when a group like this thinks the other side is insignificant and doesn't matter. While Dems and the media can't spend enough time coddling and trying to understand the Far Right minority, Reps and their media fail to acknowledge that the majority of the country who voted for Biden even exist or have rights.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
7. Exactly.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 12:57 PM
Oct 2021

Take the California Recall, they actually believed they had a shot of getting rid of Newsom. And they got spanked. But you know what, people who I know are GOP said there had to be some sort of shenanigans. I wouldn't let that stand.

So I went straight to the math in pointing out Democrats outnumber Republicans two to one, so they would need to have half the Democrats sit out, which is already highly unlikely. Add to that, the rest of the populace is independent, but time and time again, with various propositions, state government, etc. they lean left. So they would need them to suddenly break that trend and with Elder at the top of the ticket, highly unlikely.

Then they try to drum up how Elder got the majority vote. Again I wouldn't let it stand. He got the majority for those who voted yes for the recall. If you add the numbers from those that said "No" as for Newsome, he drops considerably and is right in line with the percentage of Republicans in the state.

I point out, its just simple math. They sure didn't like hearing that and a few haven't spoken to me in awhile. Its a great feeling.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
9. Elections are the purest expression of this delusion for them
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 01:08 PM
Oct 2021

Because they've been conditioned not to believe polls. And they don't understand the math behind margin of error, so they see polls off 2 or 3 points and it's easy for them to think, "well, they're probably off 30 points then."

And it excuses cheating. They don't accept that there are a more liberals than conservatives in this country so they can justify marginalizing the liberals. They're pushing to throw out our Democracy and if they do that the backlash will be massive and then they're going to try to round up dems who protest and punish them. It can happen here, it actually is happening here right now.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
8. Science is in fact "liberally biased".
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 01:07 PM
Oct 2021

I am not saying this to be facetious either.

The concept of science is literally at odds with the notions of conservatism. Conservatism is rooted in monarchical government of the 17th and 18th centuries. The founders of conservatism cut their teeth defending the French and English monarchies during the time of the French Revolution. While the ideas of the Enlightenment were typically advanced by and participated in by the more affluent (aristocracy) they certainly began to challenge the old notions of religion and predetermination, which were paramount to monarchical power.

Science is a method of investigation aimed at trying to understand the natural world by postulation, testing and refinement. You absolutely HAVE TO be open to new information and ideas. You CANNOT practice good science without being open to the idea that your observations can be disproven and that they will have to change in the presence of new, tested and verified information. This process is antithetical to any ideology that "values tradition".

There is an old joke that I think sums up conservatism and liberalism well.

A family is preparing their Thanksgiving turkey, the husband prepares the bird and cuts off a chunk of the front and back portions of the turkey continues dressing it and puts it into the oven. The daughter asks her father, "why did you cut the ends off?', to which the dad says, "it's a special Thanksgiving tradition honey". The little girl eager to find out what this tradition is about asks her grandmother, "Grandma, why do we cut the ends off the turkey?" To which the grandma replies, "Family tradition darling". Not satisfied, the girl continues to press until frustrated, the family says, "There is one person who might know how the tradition started. He is grandma's great uncle and he is 100 years old. He was around when your great-great grandparents were alive. We'll call to see if he knows. They call and the man, still sharp for 100 years old, says, "What? Tradition? We cut the ends off because back in those days, the oven was too small to fit the entire turkey".

Traditions, that carry meaning, can be important cultural signifiers. The fact that species earlier in the genus Homo, were burying their dead and ritualizing the process, shows our development of a self conceptualizing animal. We still follow the tradition, and will likely continue to do so with various tweaks as we continue to move through time. Conservatives however, seem to want to hold on to traditions for different reasons, which are not supported by evidence and function.

The problem is that conservatism is an anachronistic ideology. Something that SHOULD be left in the past. There is value in being conservative on a personal level. There are traditions worth having and we don't want to change for the sake of change, but conservatism as a political ideology is bankrupt and based on old outdated assumptions. The problem is that it has made and kept some people very rich and very powerful so people are going to fight to keep it, and they will lie to the gullible to enlist them as foot soldiers in the cause. People like Charlie Kirk, who is a failson, just an idiot who happens to have a rich father with rich friends. Kirk is an absolute moron, yet he has a media platform and organization that gets to sit in front of Congress to provide bullshit testimony.

 

gojoe12

(92 posts)
10. have you guys
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 01:09 PM
Oct 2021

checked the polls recently? I'm thinking they are not in the 20% group. I have no idea who charliekirk11 is or what he said but it's time for us to fight back and turn these polls around.

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