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turbinetree

(24,726 posts)
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 09:56 AM Oct 2021

'Sovereign citizen' who stormed Capitol tells judge she only blew up in court because she was under

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'Sovereign citizen' who stormed Capitol tells judge she only blew up in court because she was under a lot of stress: report

By Matthew Chapman
Published October 27, 2021

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On Wednesday, NBC4 Washington's Scott MacFarlane reported that Pauline Bauer, a so-called "sovereign citizen" who was jailed ahead of trial for her involvement in the January 6 Capitol insurrection, is now seeking for an appeals court to release her from pre-trial detention.

Bauer, a pizzeria owner from Pennsylvania, is accused of shouting "Bring Nancy Pelosi out here now. We want to hang that f*cking b*tch. Bring her out," while forcing her way into the Capitol with the crowd. She was kept in prison after outbursts in court, proclaiming to the judge that the court has "no dominion over a living soul," and that "I have a right to my self-determination!" She has also delivered lengthy, typo-ridden manifestos to the court proclaiming she had a right to be in the Capitol, and has called searches of her home "illegal."

Now, she is taking a different strategy: telling the court that she was under stress when she did all those things.

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-rioter-pauline-bauer-2655396690/

Well Pauline can I call you Pauline you were not under stress when you sat at home and made a fucking decision to go and try and over throw a duly elected government and now your whining that your were under stress...maybe you and others of your ilfk should have this law thrown into your face and then lets hear you whine about stress.......I think you should be locked up for 10 fucking years....

Threatening government officials of the United States is a felony under federal law. ... Threatening other officials is a Class D or C felony, usually carrying maximum penalties of 5 or 10 years under 18 U.S.C. § 875, 18 U.S.C. § 876 and other statutes, that is investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation

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'Sovereign citizen' who stormed Capitol tells judge she only blew up in court because she was under (Original Post) turbinetree Oct 2021 OP
"Sovereign Citizen" is the new euphemism for "Flaming Asshole" lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #1
Whining Assholes.... turbinetree Oct 2021 #2
Whining assholes, Flaming assholes. No difference. calimary Oct 2021 #32
It results from demanding absolute freedom with zero accountability Zambero Oct 2021 #6
That's why they so lovvvvvvvvvvvvve their orange terrorist. Justice matters. Oct 2021 #10
Exactly right. That's the attraction and role model/ mentor role he has played. Carnival barker. Evolve Dammit Oct 2021 #26
It's also a euphemism for a bag of hammers. Kablooie Oct 2021 #24
I prefer fucking crazy asshole nt Javaman Oct 2021 #40
Oh Dear! Zambero Oct 2021 #3
She'll have time in the joint to take classes in stress reduction and anger management. marble falls Oct 2021 #4
just lock her up and get it over with samnsara Oct 2021 #5
She deserves years! Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #7
how many of u on here remember ," the devil made me do it? AllaN01Bear Oct 2021 #8
Me. niyad Oct 2021 #20
Heaven forbid! The devil has infiltrated the "Religious Right"? KS Toronado Oct 2021 #23
You should never create more stress than you can handle. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #9
I'm stealing that! yardwork Oct 2021 #30
Is that the best her attorney could come up with? no_hypocrisy Oct 2021 #11
I'd be surprised if she had one jmowreader Oct 2021 #19
Next time the Capitol Police should gas them with ganja smoke. Ilsa Oct 2021 #12
☝️👍 Walleye Oct 2021 #29
Her stress? On that day, the whole Capital was stressed by her stress. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #13
Just imagine the "stress" the judge was dealing with PatSeg Oct 2021 #14
Clearly it was an overdose of pizza sauce. twodogsbarking Oct 2021 #15
Maybe she ate too many twinkies. n/t justgamma Oct 2021 #33
The Capital Insurrectionists have learned that they can lie to the Judge to get leniency aeromanKC Oct 2021 #16
So if this Wingnut is a Sovereign Citizen and the Government has no authority over her Sherman A1 Oct 2021 #17
Bingo inthewind21 Oct 2021 #31
Can they detain these assholes in Mar-a-Lago until trial? 70sEraVet Oct 2021 #18
it would be awful if someone... DeeNice Oct 2021 #21
Those domestic terrorists put the rest of us under a great deal of stress. So, by her niyad Oct 2021 #22
'Sovereign citizens' are taylor made to be TFG cultists Ohio Joe Oct 2021 #25
Only A Pawn In Their Game maxsolomon Oct 2021 #27
She was under stress? spudspud Oct 2021 #28
We're all under stress now and then Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #34
LOL If the stress claim is supposed to excuse crimes, no one would be in prison. ancianita Oct 2021 #35
Stress came later. dchill Oct 2021 #36
if i was a jusge, i'd give her 5 years in the slammer Trueblue1968 Oct 2021 #37
Lock her up. Bluethroughu Oct 2021 #38
A nice long prison sentence BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #39
How many of us have been under tremendous stress and yet did none of these things??? TNNurse Oct 2021 #41
How many of us are under stress because of people like her? Ohioboy Oct 2021 #42
Excellent point TNNurse Oct 2021 #43
It was treason and she should hang. The Jungle 1 Oct 2021 #44

calimary

(81,527 posts)
32. Whining assholes, Flaming assholes. No difference.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 12:47 PM
Oct 2021

Don’t care. Either way they’re justifiably and DESERVEDLY fucked.

Zambero

(8,974 posts)
6. It results from demanding absolute freedom with zero accountability
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 10:08 AM
Oct 2021

For some if not most subjects, this unfortunate transformation to a certified F.A. occurs early in life, making itself known on a near-constant basis thereafter. The most notable characteristic is the inability to progress beyond adolescent behavior, punctuated by frequent temper tantrums amid constant claims of victimhood.

Justice matters.

(6,944 posts)
10. That's why they so lovvvvvvvvvvvvve their orange terrorist.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 10:37 AM
Oct 2021
They see him getting away with all his childish tantrums, teenage shenanigans, and cons, without ever getting held accountable for all his crimes, one after the next.

They wish they were as privileged as he is (so far)...

Zambero

(8,974 posts)
3. Oh Dear!
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 09:59 AM
Oct 2021

Once Sovereign Citizen realized that she had become a Sovereign Criminal, the self-imposed predicament of facing actual consequences for an unforced decision became too much to bear.

Johnny2X2X

(19,175 posts)
7. She deserves years!
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 10:08 AM
Oct 2021

Still waiting for some of the worst of these terrorists to be mad an example of. Something like 8 years would send a message.

KS Toronado

(17,363 posts)
23. Heaven forbid! The devil has infiltrated the "Religious Right"?
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:47 AM
Oct 2021

The only party that possesses empathy & morals to do the right thing?
Believe he's had a firm grasp on repugs for years now.

jmowreader

(50,566 posts)
19. I'd be surprised if she had one
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:29 AM
Oct 2021

Besides all their antigovernment dogma, the thing sovereign citizens are most famous for is pro se representation in court.

Ilsa

(61,700 posts)
12. Next time the Capitol Police should gas them with ganja smoke.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 10:48 AM
Oct 2021

It might relieve a lot of stress they feel.

And have some Doritoes, etc ready, so they won't break apart the vending machines.

LakeArenal

(28,858 posts)
13. Her stress? On that day, the whole Capital was stressed by her stress.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:00 AM
Oct 2021

You don’t die from stress.
You die by people who shout “Kill her”!

PatSeg

(47,642 posts)
14. Just imagine the "stress" the judge was dealing with
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:11 AM
Oct 2021

when he had to listen to her ridiculous crap. What a truly lame and entitled excuse for bad behavior, behavior that happens to also be illegal.

aeromanKC

(3,328 posts)
16. The Capital Insurrectionists have learned that they can lie to the Judge to get leniency
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:17 AM
Oct 2021

I had a brain fart, I'll never do it again, I've learned my lesson, I was duped, I have seen the light, blah blah blah

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
17. So if this Wingnut is a Sovereign Citizen and the Government has no authority over her
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:19 AM
Oct 2021

then what possible difference does it make to her as to who holds what office in Washington or anywhere else?

70sEraVet

(3,522 posts)
18. Can they detain these assholes in Mar-a-Lago until trial?
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:22 AM
Oct 2021

Let Trump feed and house his 'very special' people, who he loves so much. But I do remember that as he watched his plan unfold, he expressed disappointment at how 'low class' they looked.
Well, let his 'very special', 'low class' people rub elbows with his high paying guests.

DeeNice

(575 posts)
21. it would be awful if someone...
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:44 AM
Oct 2021

started a rumor about something heinous going on in the basement of her pizza joint.

niyad

(113,600 posts)
22. Those domestic terrorists put the rest of us under a great deal of stress. So, by her
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:44 AM
Oct 2021

rationale, I should be able to find some of these domestic terrorists and beat the crap out of them? Perhaps starting with her? I am, after all, under stress?

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
25. 'Sovereign citizens' are taylor made to be TFG cultists
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:56 AM
Oct 2021

I've watched videos of them online for ages and they are idiots (do a youtube search, sometimes it's hilarious). Unfortunately, they can also be murderously dangerous idiots... Search google news for some examples of that.

Sheesh... Lock this dope up.

spudspud

(511 posts)
28. She was under stress?
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 12:08 PM
Oct 2021

Well why didn't you say so earlier lady! Sentence is time served in pretrial detention, 1 year probation, and 20 hours of community service. And don't do it again!

(I'm only half joking about the potential sentence unfortunately.)

ancianita

(36,152 posts)
35. LOL If the stress claim is supposed to excuse crimes, no one would be in prison.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 12:54 PM
Oct 2021
Threatening other officials is a Class D or C felony, usually carrying maximum penalties of 5 or 10 years under 18 U.S.C. § 875, 18 U.S.C. § 876 and other statutes, that is investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation



How's THAT for stress.

Bluethroughu

(5,202 posts)
38. Lock her up.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:17 PM
Oct 2021

These people would have hung in the town square if it had been 100 years ago. I wouldn't want that, but lots of prison time sounds fair.

They are domestic terrorists and should be labeled as such.



BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
39. A nice long prison sentence
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:27 PM
Oct 2021

Would be an excellent way for her to practice patience, tolerance, and acceptance.

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