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dsc

(52,163 posts)
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 08:53 PM Oct 2021

A potential cautionary tale for Senator Sinema

In 2002, Jesse Helms retired from the Senate and Elizabeth Dole decided to run for the Senate. Her family had long standing ties to the Salsbury region of NC and she rather easily won (53.5 to 44.9). She was the Senator. Six years later, 2008, and she ran for re election. Honestly, given her and NC track record, this should have been a fairly easy race for her. But it absolutely wasn't. Yes, 2008 was a very good year for us, in NC we won a senate seat, a governorship, and carried the EC of NC. She didn't just lose, but she lost by, by far, the largest margin of all three races. Obama won, rather famously, but by 0.4%. Had our state been needed to put him over the top, we would have had a recount. The governor's race was won by 3.3%, an OK win but not exactly huge. Dole lost by 8.5%. A switch in margin of 17%. So how did this happen?

What happened to Dole. Well, she was just plain lousy at being a Senator. She never was in NC, never spoke to constituents, never answered letters, never answered phones. She was just plain absent. Every time I see Sinema refuse to engage with her constituents I think of Senator Dole and how many of us would complain about our absentee senator. If I were on her staff I might be studying Dole to see why this behavior is a bad idea.

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ms liberty

(8,580 posts)
2. This. I'm in NC and remember her not being here
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 09:03 PM
Oct 2021

Unless it was for a photo op designed to make her look good.

Response to mahina (Reply #3)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Another huge similarity: Both female. Dole was also Republican,
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 09:07 PM
Oct 2021

and misogyny, aversion to men losing power over women, is an even more basic fear than racism, on the right especially (but not exclusively). And just as strong among some female conservatives as among men.

It's very much to the point that white men granted black men the vote half a century before they finally extended it to even one woman.

dsc

(52,163 posts)
5. except Dole lost to a woman
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 09:16 PM
Oct 2021

not a man. Oh, and she beat a man to get the seat. It should be noted in 2008 both the governor and the senator winners were women.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Good point. But being female made Dole easier to demonize,
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 09:36 PM
Oct 2021

and that people didn't have a man to vote for instead didn't change that weakness.

dsc

(52,163 posts)
7. again she won her seat, rather easily
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 09:39 PM
Oct 2021

against a man. She got demonized for very good reason. She was an absentee senator.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. :) That's what I mean. Hillary deleted personal emails.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 09:51 PM
Oct 2021

What male candidates got pillaried for that?

We shouldn't argue this. You can never convince me that misogyny wasn't a serious vulnerability because it always is. Not exploiting it big time would be like a tennis player avoiding driving the ball into the opponent's far corner.

dsc

(52,163 posts)
11. yes she has until 2024
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 10:38 PM
Oct 2021

but frankly being absent leaves a bitter taste in people's mouths. It didn't help Dole that the person she replaced, as awful as he was, was amazing at constituent service. Helms was a horrid bastard but he was no dummy. His constituent service operation was widely acknowledged, even by people who hated his guts, as being one of the absolute best on Capitol hill.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
12. She's getting rich of this
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:16 PM
Oct 2021

and could care less. She'll probably find a sweet lobbying job instead of run for reelection.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
14. She is a one termer and going to rake in as much $$ as possible.
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:38 PM
Oct 2021

She does not appear interested in the job. She knows she is a one termer and is going to make as much $$ and connections for her next career as she can. 6 years is a long time for her to make a ton of money and set herself up for her next gig.

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