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Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
Wed Oct 27, 2021, 11:31 PM Oct 2021

Faceboot

Got your corporate rebranding, right there, for the social media behemoth that helped Dimdonnie Peedumputin push the Big Lie long before 2016.



Consider that Facebook is the Big Piranha in a tiny tank. Mark Zuckerberg and his fellow moguls cough oligarchs know how much you got, what you read, where you go, and with whom you spend time and what you talk about.

And, thanks to all the money they make off your data, they increasingly control the political narrative.

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

Who remembers nationalization?

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Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
5. Should be daily...
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:57 AM
Oct 2021

…Seeing how the power the company holds over the planet’s future.

What do you think of Peter Thiel? Most people have no clue who he is or what he does.



The Secret Meeting Between Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, and Donald Trump

Author Max Chafkin reveals alleged details about the 2019 meeting of Thiel, Zuckerberg, Trump, and Kushner.


The Daily Beast
Updated Oct. 22, 2021 11:53AM ET

Peter Thiel scares a lot of people. He’s the tech billionaire who was able to shutter Gawker and he holds a lot of influence in Silicon Valley and politics, and the intersection of the two.

On the latest episode of The New Abnormal, author Max Chafkin, whose upcoming book The Contrarian is all about Thiel, tells Molly Jong-Fast that “if there’s a Trump political party or a Trump faction, Thiel wants to be the Koch brothers to that faction.”

That’s because Thiel allegedly got richer than he already was during the Trump presidency. And that leads us to the secret meeting that he attended with then-President Donald Trump, Jared Kushner, and Mark Zuckerberg in response to Zuck and Facebook coming under fire for manipulated ads whose targets included House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, as well as for supposedly suppressing conservative content—despite analytics proving otherwise.

The meeting is not news, but Chafkin shares some details that haven’t been in the news.

“Thiel told a friend, [and] according to the friend, Zuckerberg and Jared Kushner basically reached an accommodation…”

Source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-secret-meeting-between-mark-zuckerberg-peter-thiel-donald-trump-and-jared-kushner?ref=scroll

Thank you, dalton999a! The billionaires don’t care if Dim Donnie Drumpf is an unstable NAZI moron. They get richer, which is all what matters to them.



I’ve got nothing personal against him, per se, but do feel his big wallet holds more sway than my tiny wallet through his ability to buy influence.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
8. All well and good I suppose, but I use FB everyday and see none of this
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:17 AM
Oct 2021

RW propaganda on my feed along with finding it to be a far better source of news than the various Cable Noise Drama TV channels.

Yes, the wealthy made a bunch of bucks both before and during the pandemic and I hope that all of them are taxed into the dirt including Zucherberg. They have one goal in mind and that is making more money but, that is hardly news to anyone.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
13. there are not enough Facebook bashin threads. It is poison.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:08 AM
Oct 2021

and a fascist enabler worldwide.

it is pure unadulterated evil.

full stop.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
4. Some of its most ardent defenders of late...
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 06:43 AM
Oct 2021

... you know them... they defend FB for it's business value, family contacts, blah blah blah... they've been quiet lately. Interesting, perhaps?

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
6. The model for a democratized virtual community it's not.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:13 AM
Oct 2021

It might be…



The Largest Autocracy on Earth

Facebook is acting like a hostile foreign power; it’s time we treated it that way.


By Adrienne LaFrance
The Atlantic, SEPTEMBER 27, 2021

In 1947, Albert Einstein, writing in this magazine, proposed the creation of a single world government to protect humanity from the threat of the atomic bomb. His utopian idea did not take hold, quite obviously, but today, another visionary is building the simulacrum of a cosmocracy.

Mark Zuckerberg, unlike Einstein, did not dream up Facebook out of a sense of moral duty, or a zeal for world peace. This summer, the population of Zuckerberg’s supranational regime reached 2.9 billion monthly active users, more humans than live in the world’s two most populous nations—China and India—combined.

To Zuckerberg, Facebook’s founder and CEO, they are citizens of Facebookland. Long ago he conspicuously started calling them “people” instead of “users,” but they are still cogs in an immense social matrix, fleshy morsels of data to satisfy the advertisers that poured $54 billion into Facebook in the first half of 2021 alone—a sum that surpasses the gross domestic products of most nations on Earth.

GDP makes for a telling comparison, not just because it gestures at Facebook’s extraordinary power, but because it helps us see Facebook for what it really is. Facebook is not merely a website, or a platform, or a publisher, or a social network, or an online directory, or a corporation, or a utility. It is all of these things. But Facebook is also, effectively, a hostile foreign power.

This is plain to see in its single-minded focus on its own expansion; its immunity to any sense of civic obligation; its record of facilitating the undermining of elections; its antipathy toward the free press; its rulers’ callousness and hubris; and its indifference to the endurance of American democracy.

Continues…

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/facebook-authoritarian-hostile-foreign-power/620168/



Orwell had the world ruled by three huge political blocks. He had no idea the money would be so good that a business could become the globe’s ruler.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
7. I think the general consensus is
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:14 AM
Oct 2021

Theses threads are boring repetitive and futile

If you hate Facebook don’t use it. Nobody is telling you to sign up .And if people want to use it there is nothing you can do to stop them, is there?

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
9. I don't have any problems using FB each and everyday
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:18 AM
Oct 2021

If you don't like it, don't use it. Seems really simple to me.

Response to luv2fly (Reply #4)

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
11. That'd be great, were it only so easy to escape its clutches.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:06 AM
Oct 2021
FACEBOOK IS A DOOMSDAY MACHINE

The architecture of the modern web poses grave threats to humanity. It’s not too late to save ourselves.


By Adrienne LaFrance
The Atlantic, DECEMBER 15, 2020

The doomsday machine was never supposed to exist. It was meant to be a thought experiment that went like this: Imagine a device built with the sole purpose of destroying all human life. Now suppose that machine is buried deep underground, but connected to a computer, which is in turn hooked up to sensors in cities and towns across the United States.

Snip…

Limitations to the Doomsday Machine comparison are obvious: Facebook cannot in an instant reduce a city to ruins the way a nuclear bomb can. And whereas the Doomsday Machine was conceived of as a world-ending device so as to forestall the end of the world, Facebook started because a semi-inebriated Harvard undergrad was bored one night. But the stakes are still life-and-death. Megascale is nearly the existential threat that megadeath is. No single machine should be able to control the fate of the world’s population—and that’s what both the Doomsday Machine and Facebook are built to do.

The cycle of harm perpetuated by Facebook’s scale-at-any-cost business model is plain to see. Scale and engagement are valuable to Facebook because they’re valuable to advertisers. These incentives lead to design choices such as reaction buttons that encourage users to engage easily and often, which in turn encourage users to share ideas that will provoke a strong response. Every time you click a reaction button on Facebook, an algorithm records it, and sharpens its portrait of who you are. The hyper-targeting of users, made possible by reams of their personal data, creates the perfect environment for manipulation—by advertisers, by political campaigns, by emissaries of disinformation, and of course by Facebook itself, which ultimately controls what you see and what you don’t see on the site.

Facebook has enlisted a corps of approximately 15,000 moderators, people paid to watch unspeakable things—murder, gang rape, and other depictions of graphic violence that wind up on the platform. Even as Facebook has insisted that it is a value-neutral vessel for the material its users choose to publish, moderation is a lever the company has tried to pull again and again. But there aren’t enough moderators speaking enough languages, working enough hours, to stop the biblical flood of shit that Facebook unleashes on the world, because 10 times out of 10, the algorithm is faster and more powerful than a person. At megascale, this algorithmically warped personalized informational environment is extraordinarily difficult to moderate in a meaningful way, and extraordinarily dangerous as a result.

These dangers are not theoretical, and they’re exacerbated by megascale, which makes the platform a tantalizing place to experiment on people. Facebook has conducted social-contagion experiments on its users without telling them. Facebook has acted as a force for digital colonialism, attempting to become the de facto (and only) experience of the internet for people all over the world. Facebook has bragged about its ability to influence the outcome of elections. Unlawful militant groups use Facebook to organize. Government officials use Facebook to mislead their own citizens, and to tamper with elections. Military officials have exploited Facebook’s complacency to carry out genocide. Facebook inadvertently auto-generated jaunty recruitment videos for the Islamic State featuring anti-Semitic messages and burning American flags.

Continues…

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/12/facebook-doomsday-machine/617384/

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
16. Uh, no. The Atlantic shows up in my mailbox.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:14 AM
Oct 2021

The only things I read on Facebook is generated by members of my extended family and some friends. I do not use Facebook as a news source.

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
18. That's one of Faceboot's major failings.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:29 AM
Oct 2021

The “platform” is awash with propaganda, misinformation, disinformation, along with a lot of really interesting stuff.

Ask the experts, like Frances Haugen.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/10/08/facebook-twitter-political-disinformation/6026677001/

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