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mcar

(42,334 posts)
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:17 AM Oct 2021

Twice as big as the New Deal!


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It's twice as big, in real dollars, as the New Deal was. This can be the Congress that goes from 12 years of universal education to 14 years; the makes the largest investment in fighting climate change ever; that cuts what families pay for child care in half.
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Twice as big as the New Deal! (Original Post) mcar Oct 2021 OP
Hear here! Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #1
Really? What's in it? Autumn Oct 2021 #3
Far, far too much for DU's TOS. I was going to copy in some Hortensis Oct 2021 #4
So DU's TOS doesn't allow the actual TEXT? Autumn Oct 2021 #5
Long lists, Autumn. Even hacked at, this bill is HUGE. Hortensis Oct 2021 #16
Government sites are not subject to copyright limits- feel free to paste the entire text. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #10
Here mcar Oct 2021 #9
That's the framework. What Progressives are objecting to is the pig in the poke. The fact that there Autumn Oct 2021 #11
Yes. And $555 billion for climate and clean energy measures will be the largest Hortensis Oct 2021 #2
New Deal programmes (they are vastly more sweeping IMHO, it is not even remotely close) Celerity Oct 2021 #6
Shit sandwich is shit. Voltaire2 Oct 2021 #7
Boy, it sure sucks for those people who will benefit AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2021 #8
So nothing is better than a pretty big something? mcar Oct 2021 #12
Yup. When offered a choice between Voltaire2 Oct 2021 #13
Money towards battling climate change is shit? mcar Oct 2021 #15
Seeing a number of unhappy, even angry responses. Hortensis Oct 2021 #19
Yes, the "Kill the Bill" folks are out mcar Oct 2021 #21
Well, don't despair yet. With very bad luck to 330M Americans, Hortensis Oct 2021 #22
Oh, no! Jayapal may have approved the framework. Hortensis Oct 2021 #23
So was Obamacare when babylonsister Oct 2021 #14
Saved millions of behinds, babylonsister mcar Oct 2021 #17
Ha! Thanks. babylonsister Oct 2021 #18
kick blogslug Oct 2021 #20

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
1. Hear here!
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:24 AM
Oct 2021

This bill is the most progressive piece of legislation in generations. Time to start praising what is in it rather than ruing what is not.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Far, far too much for DU's TOS. I was going to copy in some
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:37 AM
Oct 2021

climate provisions alone, but a fraction of a summary list didn't convey it. Anyway, it still has to be passed, then we can go over pages and pages to get some notion of what's really happening.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
5. So DU's TOS doesn't allow the actual TEXT?
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:41 AM
Oct 2021

Interesting. Got a link to the actual bill? A link shouldn't be against the TOS.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Long lists, Autumn. Even hacked at, this bill is HUGE.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:23 PM
Oct 2021

And please, why ask for links instead of getting any number and reading them? Google Biden and Build Back Better for just a start. This bill is history-making.

WE are. You should be proud.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
10. Government sites are not subject to copyright limits- feel free to paste the entire text. Nt
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:08 PM
Oct 2021

As of yesterday, the childcare section of the bill was severely restricted, with both means testing and a work requirement demanded by Manchin, so hopefully Klain is referring to an update from yesterday.

Update: he’s not; he’s referring to universal pre K and subsidies for childcare (when you’re at the poverty level, 7% of your income is still substantial).

Here’s a link to the WH site with the full BBB framework:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/build-back-better/

While there are some good things remaining in the frame work, it is a hollow shell of the original proposal, perhaps more gutted than the ACA was by the time it came to a vote.

Klain is working overtime trying put lipstick on a pig…

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
11. That's the framework. What Progressives are objecting to is the pig in the poke. The fact that there
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:14 PM
Oct 2021

is no text to vote on. Adding that later, after the vote is the problem. I would trust Biden but the ones who will be deciding what's in the bill and what's not is where I have a problem.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Yes. And $555 billion for climate and clean energy measures will be the largest
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:29 AM
Oct 2021

legislative investment in combatting climate change by far. Until our next one, and there must be next ones.

Celerity

(43,416 posts)
6. New Deal programmes (they are vastly more sweeping IMHO, it is not even remotely close)
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:42 AM
Oct 2021
National Youth Administration (NYA), 1935: program that focused on providing work and education for Americans between the ages of 16 and 25. Ended in 1943.

Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC): a Hoover agency expanded under Jesse Holman Jones to make large loans to big business. Ended in 1954.

Federal Emergency Relief Administration (FERA): a Hoover program to create unskilled jobs for relief; expanded by Roosevelt and Harry Hopkins; replaced by WPA in 1935.

United States bank holiday, 1933: closed all banks until they became certified by federal reviewers.

Abandonment of gold standard, 1933: gold reserves no longer backed currency; still exists.

Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), 1933–1942: employed young men to perform unskilled work in rural areas; under United States Army supervision; separate program for Native Americans.

Homeowners Loan Corporation (HOLC): helped people keep their homes, the government bought properties from the bank allowing people to pay the government instead of the banks in installments they could afford, keeping people in their homes and banks afloat.

Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), 1933: effort to modernize very poor region (most of Tennessee), centered on dams that generated electricity on the Tennessee River; still exists.

Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA), 1933: raised farm prices by cutting total farm output of major crops and livestock; replaced by a new AAA because the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.

National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), 1933: industries set up codes to reduce unfair competition, raise wages and prices; ended 1935. The Supreme Court ruled the NIRA unconstitutional.

Public Works Administration (PWA), 1933: built large public works projects; used private contractors (did not directly hire unemployed). Ended 1938.

Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC): insures bank deposits and supervises state banks; still exists.

Glass–Steagall Act: regulates investment banking; repealed 1999.

Securities Act of 1933, created the SEC, 1933: codified standards for sale and purchase of stock, required awareness of investments to be accurately disclosed; still exists.

Civil Works Administration (CWA), 1933–1934: provided temporary jobs to millions of unemployed.

Social Security Act (SSA), 1935: provided financial assistance to: elderly, handicapped, paid for by employee and employer payroll contributions; required 7 years contributions, so first payouts were in 1942; still exists.

Works Progress Administration (WPA), 1935: a national labor program for more than 2 million unemployed; created useful construction work for unskilled men; also sewing projects for women and arts projects for unemployed artists, musicians and writers; ended 1943.

National Labor Relations Act (NLRA); Wagner Act, 1935: set up the National Labor Relations Board to supervise labor-management relations. In the 1930s, it strongly favored labor unions. Modified by the Taft-Hartley Act (1947); still exists.

Federal Crop Insurance Corporation (FCIC), 1938: insures crops and livestock against loss of production or revenue. Was restructured during the creation of the Risk Management Agency in 1996 but continues to exist.

Surplus Commodities Program (1936): gives away food to the poor; still exists as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

Fair Labor Standards Act 1938: established a maximum normal work week of 44 hours and a minimum wage of 40 cents/hour and outlawed most forms of child labor, though it still exists. The working hours have been lowered to 40 over the years, and the minimum wage has climbed to $7.25.

Rural Electrification Administration (REA): one of the federal executive departments of the United States government charged with providing public utilities (electricity, telephone, water, sewer) to rural areas in the U.S. via public-private partnerships. still exists.

Resettlement Administration (RA): resettled poor tenant farmers; replaced by Farm Security Administration in 1935.

Farm Security Administration (FSA): helped poor farmers by a variety of economic and educational programs; some programs still exist as part of the Farmers Home Administration.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,029 posts)
8. Boy, it sure sucks for those people who will benefit
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:04 PM
Oct 2021

But it's not perfect, so the pony contingent has to jump in to complain.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
12. So nothing is better than a pretty big something?
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:19 PM
Oct 2021

We're back to Affordable Care Act "Kill the Bill" logic.

Voltaire2

(13,061 posts)
13. Yup. When offered a choice between
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:20 PM
Oct 2021

a shit sandwich and nothing, I opt for nothing. But that’s just my preference.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
15. Money towards battling climate change is shit?
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 12:22 PM
Oct 2021

Funding early childhood education is shit?
Helping parents afford child care is shit?
Expanding the Affordable Care Act is shit?

I could go on, but obviously are values are quite different.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Well, don't despair yet. With very bad luck to 330M Americans,
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 01:21 PM
Oct 2021

you and they'll get nothing. It's not a great victory for progressivism until it's passed.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Oh, no! Jayapal may have approved the framework.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 01:27 PM
Oct 2021

Still too soon to start gagging, though. All I can suggest is to keep hoping for total failure, while bracing for the worst.

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