Democrats Abandon Infrastructure Vote Again

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Democrats Abandon Infrastructure Vote Again

October 28, 2021 at 6:37 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 2 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/10/28/democrats-abandon-infrastructure-vote-again/

"SNIP......

“House Democratic leaders on Thursday abandoned a second attempt to clear the Senate-passed bipartisan infrastructure bill as progressives held firm to their refusal back it without a concrete agreement on a separate social spending package,” The Hill reports.

“It’s the second time House Democratic leadership has punted the bill and it came after President Biden made a rare visit to the Capitol to beseech House Democrats to help him advance his agenda.”

Punchbowl News: “The House will come back next week to try again to advance Biden’s agenda.”

Axios: “Democrats had hoped to to use House approval of the infrastructure bill to boost their candidates in the gubernatorial races in New Jersey and Virginia on Nov. 2.”

.......SNIP"

[msongs]

1. the saboteurs' plan is to delay it past the VA election next week if possible nt

[LastDemocratInSC]

4. You are correct.

[Bettie]

2. The deal was always that the two bills

go together.

It isn't the House's fault that the Senate is being obstructed.

[Hoyt]

3. Hard to call this "progressive."

[wellst0nev0ter]

6. Hard to call the obstruction "moderate"

Since vast majorities of the country support what's in the BBB bill, especially those in West Virginia.

Nothing moderate about being the vanishing minority radical holding up passage.

[Hoyt]

15. Then pass the thing, and quit making threats in public that don't help the Party.

[wellst0nev0ter]

18. We're apparently ready to pass $1.75T and support Biden

Is Manchinema?

[sheshe2]

22. Not by the interviews I saw from progressives today.

They were quite vocal. No!

[wellst0nev0ter]

28. Jayapal said a deal next week

Looks like we're actually moving somewhere, unlike the bad actors.

[sheshe2]

29. What will she say next week?

Hmm.

Looks like we're actually moving somewhere, unlike the bad actors.

Who are you labeling the good, the bad and the ugly actors? This is not a movie set, it is members of Congress and the American people who's very lives are at stake.

[wellst0nev0ter]

30. Bad Actors: Noun

Those who obstruct Biden's agenda

[sheshe2]

31. "Those who obstruct Biden's agenda."

There are more than two that are obstructing Bidens agenda both in house and senate.

[wellst0nev0ter]

32. I'm sure you can name them

[sheshe2]

33. So can you. nt

[wellst0nev0ter]

34. Already did

[sheshe2]

36. Nah. That was just one.

[wellst0nev0ter]

44. But I did

I'll wait.

[sheshe2]

45. Nah.

I will wait you out.

[wellst0nev0ter]

47. Or you can read the thread

have fun

[sheshe2]

50. I already did.

You mentioned one name. Period.

Have fun and get some rest. Nite.

[wellst0nev0ter]

51. Nah still gonna post a bit

If you did read the thread, that's great to hear

[sheshe2]

53. Ya fibbed.

[wellst0nev0ter]

54. I'm not?

[Demsrule86]

35. It seems judging from this news that is not limited to moderates.

[sheshe2]

40. Umhmm.

True.

[wellst0nev0ter]

46. The whole package would have been voted months ago

If it weren't for the radical minority holdouts.

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. Good- don't back down until BBB is passed first. Nt

[demtenjeep]

7. I am sick of these people knee capping Biden

COME ON MAN

[a kennedy]

8. DAMN IT, DAMN IT, DAMN IT.

this mantra from me is all I can even say anymore……Damn it, damn it, damn it. Oh, and has anyone noticed I’ve been swearing a lot lately?? 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

[mcar]

9. Do Progressives think they'll have more sway after McAuliffe loses?

Are they completely insane?

[Demsrule86]

37. If they don't pass this bill...McCauliffe may lose. I still think he pulls it out but their should

be consequences...if a GOP take Virginia because of this...some need to face primaries.

[Celerity]

52. It's not on the Progs at all, it is all on Manchin and Sinema. They are the ones who are still

playing games and refusing to say that they are 100% all in on the already massively reduced BBB framework.

Given Manchin and Sinema's game-playing and obstructionist history, and HUGE overall 2 bill slashing of Biden's proposals (including removing entire giant, key programmes that were cornerstone Biden campaign promises) it is no wonder many other Dems do not trust those two.

The Progressives months and months ago compromised and came down from a 2 bill total for new spending of $10 trillion to match Biden's $6.1 trillion total proposal.

They watched the BIF get absolutely gutted by Manchin and Sinema, with almost 80% of Biden's new spend shredded out (2.6 trillion slashed to 550 billion), and now have accepted another massive gutting of the BBB, literally slashed in half, from 3.5 trillion down to 1.75 trillion.

That stripping includes massive cornerstone programmes/central Biden campaign promises like Family And Medical Leave, Tuition Free Community College, Dental/Vison coverage for Medicare, most all wealth taxes/ and high earner Taxes (Trumps tax cuts are still largely intact) and Prescription Drug Price Negotiation savings, etc etc all now ripped out and tossed in the bin.

Manchin and Sinema have 'compromised' a grand total of $250 billion between the the two bills. They have also stripped-out what us closing in on 2/3rds of Biden's new spend between the 2 bills.

Biden and the progs and most of the rest of the Dem caucus have compromised 15.2 TIMES MORE in terms of total new spend dollars let go than Manchin and Sinema have allowed to be increased, a total of $3.8 trillion in cuts. The progs have let go of 30.8 TIMES the amount of Manchin and Sinema's 'compromising' if you look at the original proposals they laid out early in year.

The progs (and Biden and almost all of the rest of the Dems) have given in and given in, and still Manchin and Sinema are playing games.

No amount of spin and blame-shifting can change those simple mathematical facts and the actions by the two obstructionists.

[budkin]

10. Sucks for Terry

He's on the ropes.

[Orinocojhon]

11. Progressive Caucus

Is starting to remind me of the Tea Party.
Seriously
Scorched earth “all or nothing” attitudes were very damaging to the REpublicans. These tactics are quite obviously damaging us now.

[Budi]

13. It's been their mission from day one.

[Orinocojhon]

14. Yup

[Budi]

17. Exley & Saikat & Waleed must be toasting their success tonite!

Fk em all.

[AZProgressive]

19. Both bills were negotiated back in June

It is mainly 2 Democratic Senators and a handful of House Members not to mention corporate interests cutting the bill. They rarely use the leverage they do have and they said back in June they would for the reconciliation bill which was a much better bill than the bipartisan bill.

[sheshe2]

23. Yup.

[Doremus]

49. Bullshit

The nearly 100-member Progressive Caucus has said all along that they want both bills to pass. They originally wanted $5T, came down to $3.5T, then apparently settled on under $2T. You call that all or nothing? Bullshit.

Scorched earth is Manchin and Sinema deciding for the entirety of Congress and the American people what they can and can't have.

Scorched earth is EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN voting no on issues that the majority of Americans want

Yet it's the 100 member Progressive Caucus that's in the wrong here? Again BULLSHIT.

[Budi]

12. Ya. This kneecapping is intentional. Watch the spin.

"Manchin! & Sinema! . Nothing's better than something." "Really, trust us"

Sabatours from 2016 on thru today.
When just a couple months ago they were all endorsing the woman who referred to President Biden as a"bowl of shit", does the move surprise anyone?

Sorry America.
SAY ALL THEIR FUKING NAMES.

[Nixie]

57. Bingo. When you listen to the resistance, it's clear

they don’t want to be lumped in with one Senator. Except for Sinema who keeps her mouth shut.

But you’re on to something here.

[Autumn]

16. The Progressive caucus being adult and sensible about voting on a bill without a

concrete agreement on a separate social spending package. I'm guessing they have no trust in a couple of Senators. a smart move and deservedly so considering the actions of those two.

[Demsrule86]

38. There is nothing sensible about this...I am disgusted.

[Autumn]

43. Of course you are disgusted.

[rwheeler31]

20. I thought the progressives were going to be smart about

this but they played right into the Republican's hands. I am so disappointed in Cori Bush, she needs to get out of the limelight and be a team player on this. I want all those progressive programs but it has been clear for months that they need to back down and give the president a win.

[AZProgressive]

21. This bill is being cut almost down to nothing by 2 donor owned politicians

Not to mention the tax hikes Sinema wants out of the bill makes it more difficult to pay for it.

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. And still progressives have openly endorsed Biden's framework. Whereas two "moderates" in the Senate

...just make vague "promising" comments without outright saying that they will vote for a Build Back Better bill that conforms to Biden's framework. That is why there is a lack of trust in moving on one bill without the other. If Biden could have said that Manchin and Sinema had committed to voting for a bill that was consistent with his framework, things would be different. But he could only say that he fully expected that all Democrats would vote for it. That is a very different statement, stressing expectations rather than commitments.

Progressives will swallow a lot to support the President. But they want the deal honored and at this time there is no real assurance that it will be until both bills are ready for a vote.

[Budi]

25. Who tanked the vote today?

Who?

Delay till the thing fails completely & takes down the Gov races that would have been bolstered along with it.

Mission accomplished.

"Nothing is better than something". Right?

Well thanks for nothing then
Positively giddy with power tonight.

Jfc

[Demsrule86]

39. And we end up with nothing if it doesn't pass and maybe we lose Virginia because of it...it is a

50 50 Senate. We won't get it all. This will force the party to move to the right not the left.

[AZProgressive]

48. Almost nothing is getting passed

There are a lot of other important bills like voting rights legislation that can’t pass because of the filibuster and obstruction from mainly 2 Senators.

There has been a heavy lobbying campaign against the reconciliation bill and it wasn’t hard to miss their ads. Money in politics seems to be preventing anything from getting done.

Not sure how what happens in federal government impacts a governor race but all I can control is what happens in Arizona so more focused on preventing Kari Lake from winning there.

[onecaliberal]

26. Work your whole life so the government can tell you at the end

That you cannot have vision or dental insurance because we have to think of the billionaires. This is indefensible. This is what shit hole countries do.

[jalan48]

27. +1

[Demsrule86]

42. Well if this bill goes down and the GOP takes charge, you likely will lose Medicare anyway.

And you can get all those things in the Medicare Advantage plan.

[onecaliberal]

55. I have a pension with healthcare.

Most people are not so lucky.

[hamsterjill]

56. Another +1

The fact that Dems allowed this to happen will not bode well and will impact the midterms.

Which age group is it that turns out to vote?

[Hekate]

41. Bernie doesn't seem to feel that sense of abandonment

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215993361