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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 07:44 PM Oct 2021

Imagine If There Were Two Moderate Republicans

Who acted like Manchin and Sinema but with Trump’s agenda. What I wouldn’t have given for that! To have them completely stymie his agenda. Trump would have gone berserk. But that never happened because somehow the Rs are all bought and paid for. And they had enough money to buy for two of ours while they were at it.

It’s time to call a spade a spade and start treating these two like the Rs they are. They aren’t Dems.

Every time Sinema appears on video she’s with Republicans. And Joe was logged as having spent a weekend in Mitch’s home town over the summer. The gig is up folks. These people only appear on our side.

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Delarage

(2,186 posts)
1. I kept waiting
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 07:46 PM
Oct 2021

For Susan Collins and Murkowski to do something useful.

I'm still waiting.

I was so bummed that Collins took Maine again

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
3. "Concerned" Collins and "Moderate" Murkowski?
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 07:50 PM
Oct 2021

Fuck 'em both. When push comes to shove, they're Republicans. And these days, that's as bad as it gets.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
2. McCain was ironically that Republican
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 07:49 PM
Oct 2021

Gave the thumbs down to repeal ACA.

Then he died, and we got Denim Vest Sinema.

I'll admit she's an improvement over McCain

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
4. There were - they're the only reason the ACA was not overturned.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 07:50 PM
Oct 2021

Trump's legislative accomplishments are very small because he could not get much through, despite having a strong majority at the beginning of his presidency. Outside his tax cuts, which any Republican, even a moderate Republican, and the COVID aid, he didn't get much through.

Where he was devastating was by filling judicial seats - and there's no indication either senators have really impeded on that front.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
5. You must not have been paying attention
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 07:54 PM
Oct 2021

Or is there a great big wall stretching from San Diego to Brownsville?

Never heard of Lisa Murkowski and John McCain?

The real difference is that they handled their internal disputes better. Imagine if leadership went to Manchin/Sinema in January and actually figured out what the best bill was that could get 50 votes... and then just advertised that?

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
12. The GOPers have a much stronger Senate leader
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:39 PM
Oct 2021

McConnell would have done whatever was necessary, from negotiating to threatening, to keep the GOPer bottom line in lockstep and looking strong

Demsrule86

(68,593 posts)
13. Not true...he couldn't get rid of the ACA and basically passed no legislation despite having 60
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:10 PM
Oct 2021

votes for two years. The tax bill done in reconciliation was his only success.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
15. They didn't want to get rid of the ACA
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:27 PM
Oct 2021

The polling and protests told them they'd be screwed if they did

He did what he said he would - obstructed Democrats at every turn

Demsrule86

(68,593 posts)
14. Schumer has done a great job...The GOP was not in lockstep...which is why they got very little done
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:11 PM
Oct 2021

They are in lockstep now because they are the opposition...and we held tough in the early trump years before we had the house and limited what McConnell could do.

haele

(12,660 posts)
16. It's easy to obstruct. McConnell didn't have to do anything but threaten to withhold campaign money
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 12:09 AM
Oct 2021

He also wasn't concerned about anything other than judges and tax policy favoring millionaires and bus esses.
It's so very easy to obstruct, much harder to try to accomplish something intelligent, big or complex.

Haele

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