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raccoon

(31,111 posts)
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:37 PM Oct 2021

Have you heard of any areas in the United States where

Have you heard of any areas in the United States where
States are letting roads revert to dirt roads because it’s too expensive to keep the road repaired?

Reason I ask is because in this book WILDLAND the author said that states were doing that. I don’t doubt it, I just haven’t heard of anything like that from any other source.

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Have you heard of any areas in the United States where (Original Post) raccoon Oct 2021 OP
Is Willard sourcing his "story" from Q? Champp Oct 2021 #1
Hy 12 between Portage and WI Dells may as well be. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #2
I know that it happened where I was raised. TexasTowelie Oct 2021 #3
In some areas, like in NC, this can happen taxi Oct 2021 #4
Yes. DURHAM D Oct 2021 #5
States, no, counties, yes: Spider Jerusalem Oct 2021 #6
Oilfield traffic. carpetbagger Oct 2021 #7
I know of one local road in southern MI... WestMichRad Oct 2021 #8
Wish you were right about people slowing on gravel/dirt roads. rgbecker Oct 2021 #9
Omaha's Answer to Costly Potholes? Go Back to Gravel Roads dalton99a Oct 2021 #10
Actually, dirt roads are as expensive to maintain and repair as paved roads. As a Raven Oct 2021 #11
As the owner of NH property deep in the woods, Totally Tunsie Oct 2021 #12
Yes. FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #13

taxi

(1,896 posts)
4. In some areas, like in NC, this can happen
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:52 PM
Oct 2021

If you’re looking at purchasing a piece of property, it’s important to consider what kind of road its connected to, and whether that road is public or private. Which type or road it is will determine how it’s maintained, and who pays for that maintenance.

Many subdivisions in NC will have private roads that are either maintained by the Home Owners Association, or there may a road maintenance agreement with the local town or city government. In both scenarios, the people living on those roads are required to pay a set amount of money in contribution to the maintenance of the road. The cost may be distributed evenly across all the HOA members, or it may be shared in part with the local government.

The North Carolina Department of Transportation isn’t going to foot the bill for maintenance on every road that gets paved if there isn’t a clear benefit to it’s residents. New neighborhoods will be responsible for their own roads until enough people have moved in, creating a substantial tax base, that the government will be willing to take over. The trouble lies in the construction quality of the road in question.

https://www.ericandrewsrealtor.com/public-private-roads-nc/

carpetbagger

(4,391 posts)
7. Oilfield traffic.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:54 PM
Oct 2021

Eats the road up, so it's not per se that the counties don't have the money they had before, it's just that the heavy wear and tear from this activity makes paving some of these types of roads untenable.

WestMichRad

(1,326 posts)
8. I know of one local road in southern MI...
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:03 PM
Oct 2021

…that has been reverted to gravel. It’s not a widespread thing though.

What is more common is voters in some townships won’t approve tax assessments for road repairs, so old paved roads continue to deteriorate. In one township, for awhile they were painting orange circles around big potholes! (An assessment did get approved there and roads have been repaved.)

Personally, I’m in favor of more roads reverting to gravel. Some drivers drive way too fast on rural roads and that’ll slow most of them.

rgbecker

(4,831 posts)
9. Wish you were right about people slowing on gravel/dirt roads.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:09 PM
Oct 2021

Here it is just a challenge for those with off-road accessorized jeeps, pickups and SUVs. If they think it is too bumpy on the road they just drive on the "shoulder" and end up widening the "road" to 30 or 50 feet leaving bit pits in the middle full of water.

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)
10. Omaha's Answer to Costly Potholes? Go Back to Gravel Roads
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:11 PM
Oct 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/us/omahas-answer-to-costly-potholes-go-back-to-gravel-roads.html

Omaha’s Answer to Costly Potholes? Go Back to Gravel Roads
By Mitch Smith
March 7, 2017

OMAHA — After living more than 40 years along a road plagued by potholes, Jo Anne Amoura was excited to see city crews shred her block of Leavenworth Street into gravel.

“I thought, ‘Oh my gosh, this is great. We’re going to get a new street,’” Ms. Amoura recalled. “And then we waited and waited and waited.”

Fresh pavement never arrived. Only after the asphalt had been ripped out almost three years ago did Ms. Amoura and her neighbors learn that their street had been “reclaimed,” Omaha City Hall’s euphemism for unpaving a road.

“It’s really kind of like living in the country in the city,” said Ms. Amoura, 74. Her neighbors sometimes hauled wheelbarrows full of scattered gravel back up the hill after big rainstorms. And her house, she says, is regularly smudged with dirt blowing in from the street.

As in many big cities, the infrastructure here is crumbling, a problem exacerbated by decades of neglect and a network of residential roads, including Ms. Amoura’s, that have never met code. But Omaha’s solution is extreme: grinding paved streets into gravel as a way to cut upkeep costs.

Raven

(13,893 posts)
11. Actually, dirt roads are as expensive to maintain and repair as paved roads. As a
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:15 PM
Oct 2021

Selectman in my town in NH, I deal with the DPW budget and I was surprised to learn how much goes into keeping dirt roads passable.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
12. As the owner of NH property deep in the woods,
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:28 PM
Oct 2021

I can testify to your statement. Dirt road maintenance is the largest line item in our Owners' Association budget.

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