Josh Marshall: The Most Damning Jan 6th Revelation Yet

[babylonsister]

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The Most Damning Jan 6th Revelation Yet
New Emails Show Trump and Eastman Saw the Insurrectionists as the Foot Soldiers of the Coup. They Cheered Them on and Used Them in Real Time.
By Josh Marshall
October 30, 2021 11:58 a.m.

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The Post has emails – presumably emerging out of the committee investigation – of what happened during the insurrection. As the insurrectionists were storming the Capitol and Pence was holed up in a secure location as they hunted for him and members of Congress, Eastman emailed Pence and his top aide saying that the insurrection was Pence’s fault for not going through with the coup plot. With the President’s supporters ransacking the Capitol Eastman demanded Pence shift course and do the right thing.

These exchanges capture something we suspect and know in some way. But here we’re getting the details, the documentary evidence. Eastman didn’t recoil when the President’s rally escalated to violence. He clearly saw the inside coup plot and the insurrectionists on the street as part of the same effort. This isn’t surprising to most of us. The insurrectionists were laying siege to Pence in the Capitol because Pence wasn’t going along with the plan. And the answer was to go along with the plan. Eastman recognized the insurrection as the paramilitary wing of the coup plot he was part of and as the Capitol was under siege used it as a cudgel to force Pence’s hand.

Again, this won’t come to a shock to many of us. But here we’re getting the receipts. At least the first of them. To date the actions of Eastman, the President, his various coconspirators – during the hours of the assault on the Capitol – have largely been a black box even as we’ve learned more and more granular detail of the ransacking of the Capitol itself. We’ve had brief glimpses in reported accounts. There was the notorious phone call between Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Trump in which McCarthy demanded Trump call off his insurrectionists. Trump notoriously responded, “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.”

In real time, Trump’s message was the same as Eastman’s. You brought it on yourself and they’re my guys. The way to lift the siege is to do the right thing and support the coup. They both recognized the insurrectionists as their foot soldiers and expressed as much in real time to the members of Congress under siege. And of course they did since they were their foot soldiers.

It’s hardly surprising that both Trump and Eastman were cheering on the assault on the Capitol in real time or seeing it in the same terms. They were part of the same war room. They were leading it. Directly or indirectly McCarthy was the source of those quotes from the conversation with the President. It was reportedly anger and expletive filled. Of course he later fell in line. Much of the resistance to the investigation was his effort not to be placed under oath to reveal what happened on that day and the fact that he resisted it.

These are only two glimpses of the real story of January 6th. The Committee seems serious about getting the whole story.

[Botany]

1. Trump & Eastman to Pence, "The way to lift the siege is to do the right thing and support the coup."

Lock 'em both up right fucking now. A violent coup to overthrow our democracy by low IQ meth head
racist bikers, along with active and retired police, fire fighters, and military personal, helped along by
members of Congress, and the likes of Fox News & Russia should result in indictments, arrests, fair
and public trials, and lengthy imprisonment if the parties are convicted. Failure to do so will tell these
goons it is OK to try that crap again.

[planetc]

3. I second.

[malaise]

4. THIS

No wonder Eastman can't find a lawyer to defend him

The Slobfather needs to be in chains

[PatrickforB]

6. You're darned right he does! Chains for both of them.

F-ing traitors.

Now we're seeing the same crazies back at the school board level on off-year elections. We have to fight, fight, fight at all levels against these people.

Have you heard of 'dominionists?' These people are every bit as bad as any Taliban ever was.

[malaise]

13. M$Greedia really needs to call these traitors what they are

Tired of the bothsideism

[Alexander Of Assyria]

24. So true. The corporate media seems disappointed the fascist insurrection didn't pan out.

[malaise]

28. +1,000

Sure looks that way

[EYESORE 9001]

70. It would save them a lot of time, money, and trouble

They could fire all their reporters and replace them with temp workers - stenographers who copy & paste the stories that the junta deems newsworthy.

[Grasswire2]

53. Barr and Pompeo are Dominionists.

Explains a lot, eh?

[ShazzieB]

60. Dominionists are terrifying.

For anyone who's not familiar with it: https://www.salon.com/2021/10/31/how-extremist-christian-theology-is-driving-the-right-wing-on-democracy/

[LittleGirl]

15. Yup! Eom

[Traildogbob]

19. 🤜🤛

You hit all the nails on the head. Yet they are all partying at the World Series to cheers.

[jmowreader]

23. Agree with everything except the lengthy imprisonment part

This fits the textbook definition of treason, and for that the only suitable punishment is the firing squad.

[Delphinus]

32. Truth.

Let's arrest them now - no more waiting, no more excuses.

[Grasswire2]

54. the Rosenberg remedy.

Been advocating that for some time now.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

64. If they are dead

They can't stir up another insurrection.
They can't poison democracy anymore with thier words. There is a reason death was the penalty for treason.Death ends the coup creators forever. Eliminate the leader of the cult most culties wake up. Because when trump is dead for treason they will realize shit just got too real and the cosplay is over.

[jmowreader]

68. I have the perfect place

The Arlington Memorial Bridge runs between Arlington National Cemetery and the Lincoln Memorial.

Now for the big question: who gets hanged besides the Trump family and anyone in Congress who was live-tweeting to the insurrectionists?

[Justice matters.]

31. Well said. And Garland is so strong warrants will be issued in a few hours...

... almost 11 months since these crimes were committed in.our.faces.

[2naSalit]

47. Exactly! ...nt

[wnylib]

58. So the foot soldiers were leveredge to

intimidate Congress into reversing the election results.

[gademocrat7]

2. The unrepentant criminal and his thugs

are treasonous bastards who should not escape justice.

[plimsoll]

5. As we get closer and closer to the top you wonder what will happen.

All those folks that got light sentences may be called to testify against people who helped organize. Failing to testify, or offering different testimony puts them in prison for violating the terms of the agreement or perjury. I hope that's what's going on, but we won't know for some time.

[FoxNewsSucks]

36. Democracy's future is riding on a whole lotta "hope"

Scares the fuck out of me. All we're told is "hope" and 'be patient".

[Ohioboy]

7. Think of what a hell hole this country would be right now if these assholes had succeeded

Think of the hell hole it will eventually be if we don't prosecute and convict them.

[Botany]

9. "Think of the hell hole it will eventually be if we don't prosecute and convict them."

+1

[MiHale]

25. Absolutely correct

[KPN]

18. THIS

[DENVERPOPS]

59. Ohio,

Truer words were never spoken about the last Five+ years, culminating in January 6th.

The Wash Post just published an incredibly huge amount of info, about the entire before, during and after of Jan 6th.

It should frighten every last true American to their bones. Just how close we came, as you said, and just how close we are presently to the Coup taking place..........we are one millimeter away from a CORPORATE FASCIST TYRANNY.......

Katie Bar The Door, WASF.......

[RevBrotherThomas]

72. Unfortunately...

The jury is still out if they succeeded or not. This trump's long game has always been destroying trust in the system; January 6th, 2021 was one aspect of that. There's more coming.

The republic is in real danger.

[paleotn]

8. I think back to the early 19th, late 18th century....

If someone tried to pull that shit, they would be quickly tried, convicted and hung. Barbaric, yes, but it sure would have sent a message.

[Botany]

52. We hung all the people that helped John Wilkes Booth in less then 3 months after Lincoln ....

... was murdered.



They were looking for Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence to kill them to stop the orderly transition of
the Presidency.

[oldsoftie]

10. Progress better be made before 1/1/23

Because its likely that AFTER that date everything would be shut down & done away with

[gab13by13]

11. This should not have to go through the select committee,

DOJ should be all over Eastman, yesterday. We need Garland to act.

Why can't the select committee just send the information we have on Eastman to the FBI? Bypass Garland and the select committee.

[KPN]

20. Maybe they are sending it? Maybe the two are

occurring simultaneously?

[HUAJIAO]

46. I'll believe it when I see it. Sorry, I am just not confident.

[Girard442]

12. Garland needs to prosecute or get off the pot.

[malaise]

14. He does need to receive the evidence first and the Select

Committee is still meeting

[DanieRains]

16. Bush's Grandpa Didn't Go To Jail

Just sayyin'

[RVN VET71]

34. Right!

FDR was skittish about retaliating for the attempt to throw him out of office and institute a fascist-plutocratic dictatorship to run the country and its remove all constutional protections from its citizen. General Smedley Butler, 2 time Congressional Medal of Honor winner (who turned down additional efforts to give him additional CMH medals!) spilled the beans before Congress, but FDR prevented any action against the traitors — including Morgan, du Pont and Bush — for fear of rousing angry fascist mobs, the drooling MAGA morons of the day.

I hope and pray that the current Dems aren’t of the same mind as was FDR.

[hadEnuf]

43. We need to be prepared for right wing violence when the indictments come.

I think it's almost a garentee. And we should be looking at the local levels as well. They can get more allies at the local level such as police and lawmakers and of course, MAGATs.

Be prepared to protect yourself.

[RVN VET71]

71. I live in a fairly anti-fascist safe zone

But an adjacent county has a police force that would have done the Nazi storm troopers proud. Here, tge cops are — seriously — friendly, decent men and women. There, they’ve sicced their dogs on homeless vagrants, killed “speeders” and, generally, beat the hell out of people, especially black people, they bust.

[Traildogbob]

17. And trump

Is applauded at the World Series as a hero. With his shit grin and his arm Ho. How many insurrectionist soldiers were released from jail to go see their their savior?

[Bayard]

21. I'm sure there is some reluctance to prosecute a former president

Even though his crimes happened while in office. But we've also never had a president like this before: impeached twice, big time grifter, conducting crimes against humanity, constantly inciting insurrection, pushing for the overthrow of democracy.

He's a proven criminal, and should be treated as such.

[bucolic_frolic]

22. "not going through with the coup plot"

I'm thinking he didn't even have to use those exact words. 'the plan' or 'goal' was good enough.

If they're caught red-handed the US government needs to make a BFD of this, because it is a BFD. It's beyond seditious, it's beyond sedition. It's active. It's an operation. It's an operation being directed to overthrow the United States government.

A BFD. A very BFD.

[yardwork]

26. I'm vaguely impressed with Pence for not giving in.

As president Pence would bring us the literal Handmaid's Tale so I hope he's never president, but I honestly didn't think he had it in him to say no to Trump. He's probably a little brighter than he looks, which is dangerous.

[Grasswire2]

55. It was Dan Quayle who convinced him he had no power to do what they asked of him.

Crazy, eh?

[yardwork]

57. Who would have guessed?

[Alexander Of Assyria]

27. A need to stop the whats taking so long for the DOJ to act whining.

The devil is in the details in major criminal investigations…but we all know who the devils are, what they wanted, and imprecisely how they attempted the sedition..they will not escape justice when the details are proven with precision…justice is coming albeit as slowly as justice always does.

[mopinko]

29. they seemed to think the old smoke filled rooms were still a thing.

left a digital trail stevie wonder could follow.

idiots.

[MiHale]

30. Orders had to come from the very top...

When the insurrection first begun I don’t believe Pence was on the “list of things to do”. Then after refusal he was, quickly. No proof it’s just my belief.

[halfulglas]

33. This really clarifies why Trump didn't call off his troops earlier.

He didn't really give a F what happened to any of the rabble, only when the coup attack was flailing and they couldn't stop the National Guard from coming in did he urge them to quit and tell them he loved them - so he could use them at another time.

[Wingus Dingus]

35. They tried to turn the chaos and violence to their advantage, instead of

immediately shifting course and taking measures to suppress or discourage it. They are criminals who acted against the US government. Why Trump is still a free person is beyond me.

[Escurumbele]

39. Is Garland delaying things to put the SOB in jail? That is what I am afraid of, Muller was a

disappointment, so was Rod Rosenstein, are we to expect another disappointment with Garland?

We are hearing the same talk about Garland keeping things quiet, avoiding leaks, blah, blah...I want to know what is going on? And to repeat your question, with so much proof out there, why is trump still running around free?

So far the the punishment to the insurrects has been mild, these people should be serving years in jail for treason.

If trump is not sent to jail we will have to forget about Democracy, the country will go to shit, and that is what republicans are counting on.

[Wingus Dingus]

42. Yep, if they get away with this, they'll get away with whatever is coming in the future.

We're toast.

[Ford_Prefect]

45. They built the lynch mod and sent it to kill congress. They expected far worse violence.

They had plans beyond stopping the count and using the GOP state legislatures to alter the slates of electors.

They were planning what to do when Trump "won", like a national emergency with martial law, suspending habeas corpus, arresting reporters, and re-staffing the Cabinet and assistant directors, along with Military leaders willing to support what came after the coup.

[Escurumbele]

37. One thing that is not being talked about enough is the fact that they had prepared transportation

for Pence to get him out of the Capitol, and buses for Congress members. That would have been the stroke of genius if Pence and Congress had agreed to get on the transportation, it would have dismantled the process in one single stroke.

How did they manage to get the many buses ready so fast? who gave the order to send the buses?

The limousine for Pence I can understand having ready, but the buses is another issue...Where were those buses coming from?

Anyone who thinks the insurrection was not planned ahead of time is not paying attention.

[Ford_Prefect]

48. The same people who rented the busses managed their distribution on the day.

They did not throw this together in a few days. The evidence suggests it was in the works from at least Nov.5, if not prior to that. They knew from their own polls he wasn't likely to win a straight-up election well before Nov 4.

The plans, resources and order of battle were in place well before the event as were the templates for the endless challenges and the state level voting restriction laws. The White House crew and those in the campaign office were parts of a much larger organization as we have seen.

There has been an ongoing attempt to make Jan. 6 appear to be a moment of spontaneous anger among the Trump faithful at the rally. The MSM has done much to present it that way and have completely discounted the months of TLG saying he'd only loose if the vote was crooked. The only 2 things that didn't happen to plan on Jan.6 were: 1. Pence found out he couldn't get away with his part in the plan, and 2. Pelosi reconvened and completed the count.

[johnthewoodworker]

38. Fascists won. Republican/Nazis will never suffer justice.

[vlyons]

40. Federal law against insurrection

It's like we don't have any laws about insurrection.

8 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

[DallasNE]

41. So Was This A Topic On Meet The Press Today?

I didn't watch it. I never do.

[usaf-vet]

44. How many young American lives have been lost in wars to "SAVE OUR COUNTRY OUR WAY OF LIFE"?

Since WW I, young Americans have volunteered to go to war to save our "way of life" and defend our Constitution.

Then along comes a charlatan, a liar, a conman, a sexual predator, and a "businessman" who has failed at every attempt.

Match him up with McTurtle, a co-conspirator willing to ignore laws and years of congressional precedence to steal SCOTUS seats to stack that same court. And other courts throughout the country with accolades that are always expected to decide the cases before them with their prejudice finger of the scale.

And finally, a "news" network willing to ignore truths and sensationalize the marching orders designed to create doubt and chaos, and you have the makings of a path to a treasonous coup.

It's is no surprise that January 6th happened and that there would be a massive attempt to cover it up when the Eastman/Trump plan failed.

In my opinion, we owe it to all who served and all who gave up their lives not to let this COUP attempt succeed.

And bring the leaders to trial and harsh punishment, including co-conspirator #1 Donald J. Trump.

[Champp]

49. The Republican evil plot against the USA is political raw sewage

Republican traitors all deserve long-erm imprisonment for their crimes against America.

[FakeNoose]

50. The WORLD is watching us - they need to see how we handle it

Every country in the so-called western world (i.e. democratic republics) are waiting to see how the USA handles this debacle. We're all facing fascist and ultra-conservative threats, and so far the US hasn't shown a lot of leadership in dealing with them. This is when we shit or get off the pot.

If we can't figure this out, if we can't handle it, then we have no right to tell other countries how to handle their fascist threats either. I want to believe that we will handle it honorably and correctly. I just hope it gets fixed in my lifetime.

It's time to take out the trash!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

51. Eastman needs to be disbarred and prosecuted

[RANDYWILDMAN]

56. Lock these people up mr. garland

and throw away the key for these people committed treason

[kacekwl]

61. Question, can't someone be arrested for a crime

while the DOJ builds it's case ? It would put the whole bunch of them in the hot seat and I would think easier to interrogate and gather more evidence. Yes or no ?

[jimlup]

62. Funny thing is that their messiah

doesn't even have the courage to stand with them.

Instead saying "Go Home, we love you".

The insurrectionists must be the stupidest most gullible humans alive on the planet.

[BobTheSubgenius]

63. I'm perplexed - but ultimately relieved, of course - that the insurrectionists...

...didn't arrrive at the Capitol armed to the teeth.

I think I have the line about Eastman demanding that Pence "do the right thing" sussed out. That "the right thing" was getting in line with their (Eastman and Drumpf) objectives.

I really, really like Josh M's reportage and analysis. I really should make him part of my regular reading list. I keep meaning to.

[reACTIONary]

65. Link to the WaPo article, no paywall....

Link to the WaPo article, no paywall: https://wapo.st/3jSwBYp

[lees1975]

67. These are serious crimes. If you or I did this...

...we'd be arrested and in jail with a high bond for release. Why do we need a congressional committee to arrest criminals? Just send the police and jail them without bond. This should go to trial, not to Congress.

Good grief if we can't get this done, then we're going to lose this country quickly.

[spanone]

69. K&R