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Conspiracy koo koo says:
"By definition, not a vaccine as it clearly does NOT provide immunity.
vac·cine
/vakˈsēn/
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."
Like, huh? Hairsplitting? Gaslighting?
cadoman
(792 posts)I'd say the vaccines are a form of prophylaxis--a specific form that aims to produce an immune response. That immune response may not confer 100% "immunity" (meaning of "immunity" could also be disputed or more specifically quantified), but it was still an induced immune response and thus "vaccine" is the best word to describe these products.
Some gqp call them "gene therapy", but "therapy" should be used to describe treatment on a condition a patient is known to have. That is, you don't have "preventative therapy".
The semantic common ground you might be able to find with this person is:
"mRNA/adenovirus vaccine with X% efficacy" -- where the "X%" you've likely agreed to disagree.
Questions for them: What would you call these products if not "vaccines"? Are flu vaccines, with their lower efficacy, also not vaccines? Are vaccines in testing that had low efficacy or yielded bad side effects no longer "vaccines'? Does the word "vaccine" describe the method and intent of a product or its results? If a vaccine exists that confers immunity, but the target virus evolves to transcend that immunity, is the vaccine no longer a vaccine, or rather is it a vaccine that is simply no longer effective? etc. etc. etc.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)Walleye
(31,028 posts)Johonny
(20,851 posts)It being loaded because there are multiple vaccines for Covid now.
Oddly they got their flu shot and don't seem concerned about it's lower protection for the flu than Covid vaccines have for Covid, but . . . they're not really arguing with logic now are they?