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Josh Hawley says more men today are watching porn and playing video games because their masculinity (Original Post) demmiblue Nov 2021 OP
Josh Hawley is a sniveling little twit Sherman A1 Nov 2021 #1
That is a revealing statement. Threatened by what, by whom? Walleye Nov 2021 #2
If the Slobfather is his definition of masculinity malaise Nov 2021 #3
What is he compensating for? Are these his personal experiences & excuses? NurseJackie Nov 2021 #4
There are mirrors . .. Lovie777 Nov 2021 #5
Oh, really? Tell us more about yourself Josh. njhoneybadger Nov 2021 #6
Incel says what? C_U_L8R Nov 2021 #7
Just because Josh Hawley's masculinity is fragile doesn't viva la Nov 2021 #8
Hawley is just one more sad, entitled whiner dlk Nov 2021 #9
I wonder what is his Porn Hub login name. GoCubsGo Nov 2021 #10
How original! Same shit, different era, different conservative idiot. Solly Mack Nov 2021 #11
Spanking the monkey, Haw-Haw? Aviation Pro Nov 2021 #12
Self confession time, eh, Joshie? marble falls Nov 2021 #13
Ohhhh so that's the reason MaryMagdaline Nov 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #15
Well, that's the IMAGE those Proud Wankers try to project. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2021 #16
He has to count on his buddy and tuff guy.... multigraincracker Nov 2021 #21
WANKER... 2naSalit Nov 2021 #17
really sad, stupid - and as a topper, unoriginal -(nt)- stopdiggin Nov 2021 #18
Maybe they're bored, easily distractable, have short attention spans and time on their hands? hatrack Nov 2021 #19
Actually, it is because they are too immature for healthy relationships and pursuits. FSogol Nov 2021 #20
Fist in error Hawley, that cheered a testosterone filled Capitol storming mob from the sidelines... Freethinker65 Nov 2021 #22
What a serious pant load. spanone Nov 2021 #23
Fuck you, WANKER Stinky The Clown Nov 2021 #24
Sounds like a confession. marmar Nov 2021 #25
Missouri must be so proud! Mr. Sparkle Nov 2021 #26
When I think what is masculine - Josh Hawley is totally that guy. tenderfoot Nov 2021 #27
Josh, the Internet... edhopper Nov 2021 #28
His Rick Santorum moment. Johonny Nov 2021 #29
There is a difference between "criticized" DFW Nov 2021 #30
Is that the excuse incels are giving now a days? nt BlueLucy Nov 2021 #31
Pretty sure SoCalNative Nov 2021 #32
People shouldn't make fun of this. It's actually a thing in research. Sympthsical Nov 2021 #33
Really? Kingofalldems Nov 2021 #38
What does that have to do with my post? Sympthsical Nov 2021 #41
Get busy on this, editorial cartoonists. Paladin Nov 2021 #34
Paging Dr. Freud. lindysalsagal Nov 2021 #35
So that's your problem now, is it? smirkymonkey Nov 2021 #36
The root of the problem is the narrow conservative ideals of "masculinity" and "femininity." hunter Nov 2021 #37
Isn't this POV essentially what incels believe? Politicub Nov 2021 #39
So what are your Pornhub searches, Josh? Come on, show your hand! Initech Nov 2021 #40
A glimpse into the conservative psyche. Caliman73 Nov 2021 #42
I really he would grace us with his absence. roamer65 Nov 2021 #43

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. Josh Hawley is a sniveling little twit
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 07:36 AM
Nov 2021

that would have to improve by several magnitudes to reach the level of useless.

He is both a failure and an embarrassment to the Senate and the Citizens of the Stare of Missouri.

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
2. That is a revealing statement. Threatened by what, by whom?
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 07:40 AM
Nov 2021

I think all this whining and victimhood is what’s threatening their masculinity. If they ever had any

malaise

(269,054 posts)
3. If the Slobfather is his definition of masculinity
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 07:42 AM
Nov 2021

then he's better play with those video games and watch porn. No sane woman wants to be hear these monsters

dlk

(11,569 posts)
9. Hawley is just one more sad, entitled whiner
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 07:58 AM
Nov 2021

And has shown he’s too immature to be in the senate. He needs to grow up.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
16. Well, that's the IMAGE those Proud Wankers try to project.
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 08:24 AM
Nov 2021

Marching around, waving their Glocks in the air.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
19. Maybe they're bored, easily distractable, have short attention spans and time on their hands?
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 08:33 AM
Nov 2021

Whatever, Sen. Little Empty Boy Who Lies . . . .

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
20. Actually, it is because they are too immature for healthy relationships and pursuits.
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 08:38 AM
Nov 2021

Grow the fuck up RW snowflakes.

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
22. Fist in error Hawley, that cheered a testosterone filled Capitol storming mob from the sidelines...
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 08:42 AM
Nov 2021

is feeling masculinely inadequate.

Sympthsical

(9,074 posts)
33. People shouldn't make fun of this. It's actually a thing in research.
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 10:26 AM
Nov 2021

Because of social media and the rise of social gaming, males have been withdrawing more into things like video games and pornography. I imagine the pandemic hasn't helped. There are a lot of questions as to why, and there are so many confounding factors, it's hard to really pin down the how and why of it. Probably multi-causal. Hawley asserts it's a cultural thing. But couldn't it be just as easy to say that it could also be strongly correlated to economic circumstances?

https://news.arizona.edu/story/when-masculinity-threatened-men-may-pull-away

That's an article about a study done where men will have more sour and withdrawn relationships the more their masculinity is questioned.

There was a study last year from the University of Alabama (I can only find it in my school's database, so no link), that showed the more men tried to grasp at a masculine identity or felt theirs diminished, the more problematic pornography became for them.

I don't know why people are making fun. Yeah, it's Hawley, but psychologists in peer reviewed journals are taking the topic seriously.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
37. The root of the problem is the narrow conservative ideals of "masculinity" and "femininity."
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 11:57 AM
Nov 2021

Anyone who tries to conform to those ideals is going to be twisted, and their ability to form and maintain ordinary human relationships damaged.

Every child deserves a Fairy Godmother Nanny of the Twix Halloween commercial, even the straight vanilla kids, someone who will defend them as they are, not forcing them into any specific gender rolls, never saying "boys don't do that" or "girls don't do this."

Part of the psychopathy of guys like Donald Trump or Rush Limbaugh is the culture of conservative masculinity that was literally beaten into them as children.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
39. Isn't this POV essentially what incels believe?
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 12:28 PM
Nov 2021

Incels are part of the MAGA faithful, so it’s not surprising that Hawley is courting them.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
42. A glimpse into the conservative psyche.
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 01:06 PM
Nov 2021

No one. Not one person of any relevance whatsoever. Has said that MANHOOD is the problem. Manhood (if there is even a concise definition of that concept) is a state of being that encompasses many things.

What people tend to get upset at, is when the concept and idea of "Masculinity" becomes toxic and detrimental, not only to women (though they are by far the worst affected) but to men as well. I share an example from my own life regularly with people, when we have a discussion about this:

When my oldest son was born, in the 90's, I was living near my extended family and we would have family parties regularly. There was always gambling and drinking and the men would be outside playing cards and the women would be inside talking and watching the kids, though by "watching" I mean, not really watching, and allowing us to run around wild. I always viewed my role as a father as doing anything I could to support my children's health, safety, and development. Bathing, changing, feeding, laundry, etc... were all things that I would do as a parent. Well, my uncles, who were more "traditional", would often criticize and mock me for doing, "women's work" to which I always said, "It is PARENT'S work".

Their attitude was toxic. Separating work into "men's" and "women's" and devaluing women's work as beneath men's. Like I said, first of all, there is nothing inherently "men's" or "women's" about raising a child. There are certain things that men, physiologically cannot do (like breast feed), but we can warm up milk or formula, we can prepare a bottle and feed our children. We can wash clothes and bathe our children, while the mom goes and works on the car. The problem is when you say, "women CAN'T do that..." because of tradition. Or, "women have to do that..." and that work is devalued. That is part of toxic masculinity. Discrimination and devaluing of roles based on some kind of gender tradition.

It isn't MANHOOD that is the problem. It is idiots like Hawley who promised young White men, that they would be on the top of the pyramid, but failing to deliver because their promise was hollow to begin with. It isn't feminism or "snowflake society" that has cheated these men and made them feel alienated. It is the fact that young men are not being taught to be more than the old obsolete stereotypes. Men should be able to like sports and cars, but they should also be able to be vulnerable and cry at movies without being perceived as weak, because only "chicks cry at movies". These young men are lost because they have not adapted to shifting standards of what constitute gender roles. The man is NOT the head of the family, he is an equal partner in a complex system and should be contributing anything he can to raise his children and support his partner, whether that is fixing the water heater or fixing breakfast for the kids, or maybe learning about feminine hygiene products so that he can help out in a pinch when mom is busy with other things.

There is nothing wrong with watching porn and playing video games as long as you do not adopt any of the toxic mentality that can be associated with the media. The problem with young men "retreating into ..." is that they come out angry and detached from their emotions. They come out blaming the wrong groups for their situation. They say, "women won't have sex with me..." as if they are entitled to sex. They say, "I can't be a man" when what they mean is, "I get into trouble if I degrade women, act violently, and think that men are better than women".

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