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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOmg, Joe Manchin is blowing up the whole dmn thing right now -
MSNBC now.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)saying the "games have got to stop"
ColinC
(8,300 posts)Walleye
(31,028 posts)Polybius
(15,428 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)He's never seen such a thing in all his years...
Get the house to vote on the reconstruction bill.
Blah, blah fucking blah
My gawd. Our president, his president, his party's president is out of the country.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)so he can tell them to fuck off with the reconciliation bill.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)FBaggins
(26,748 posts)They never realized that they didn't have the leverage in the first place.
A realization that they should have come to in... about January.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Can the House pass the bill without the progressives?
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)It certainly can't if the standard remains that there won't even be a vote unless the CPC says so.
If there actually is a vote? I suspect that most progressives would vote for it. So the remaining question would be how many hold out and how any Republicans decide to stick it to the CPC.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)he knows that this will kill the BIF because it kills any trust at all to vote for it.
We are basically back to June.
piddyprints
(14,643 posts)that when we lose our slim majority, he will just be another tiny fish in the deplorable pond. I hope he enjoys his power now.
I've been trying to be hopeful, but that's all shot now. Sure would be nice to have just a few reasonable Republican Senators who wanted to help the country enough to make him not count.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)filthy swamp filled with that kind of politician.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)Angry Democrats voting to get more in so that he is irrelevant.
I'm hoping we can do that. Anger is a big motivator for voting.
He might become an independent "maverick" Senator who caucuses with Qpublicans.
Fox news Headline: "Joe Manchin: The former Democratic Senator ditches his old party to save his country"
Or something even more stupid than that.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)I think you're right!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)The deal was to pass both bills. Both sides agreed to vote for the other's bill containing things they didn't like.
To keep everyone in line and following up with the agreed-upon deal, their passage was linked. It should have stayed that way.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)an naïve attempt to control Congresspeople, and here we are.
I fully understand the reason they were linked, and it was a mistake. We could have passed the bipartisan bill long ago, relieving some pressure to get some of Biden's agenda enacted. Then, the BBB could have been messaged a lot better. Instead, we may lose them both and don't look very competent.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)I keep seeing people post that... and never cite any such "deal".
What there was... was a strategy on the part of progressives. What they should have done is make an actual deal before we ever heard specifics on the plan.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)I don't think everyone got that memo.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)Apparently the rest assumed that since it was a democratic deal, they wrongly assumed their fellow democrats could be trusted.
Tribetime
(4,697 posts)What a f****** dick
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)He does not give a fuck if we win any election other than his own.
temporary311
(955 posts)into Epipen price gouging.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Shoulda happened months ago and publically.
Drag all the skeletons out of his closet,publically.
Captain Zero
(6,806 posts)Nt.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)McConnel will give those seats right back to him... and add "minority" in front of all of ours.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)This is beyond clear now. It is driving Manchin bananas that hes not the most important person in the room.
UTUSN
(70,706 posts)theglammistress
(348 posts)This is all just shameful. The GOP is crazy and literally rallies around nazis. Our side can't even get it together to pass a damn infrastructure deal.
It's so damn frustrating and it is no wonder regular Democrat voters are tuning out politics.
This is extra crappy on the eve of the Virginia election.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)He said "entitlement mentality"
A republican talking point and destructive lying belief held by republicans.
In all honesty I think manchin might very well be a republican mole.
Republicans are evil enough to fund a repukelican in democratic clothing to create the type of shit that would harm the dems. After all they want to destroy the entire government.
Dont forget mancinis the only "dem" thats a member of ALEC. A republican think tank .
He voted with Biden,up to a point, until his agenda would make rich pigs pay ,and the poor suffer less. Then he switches position,claims he is independant..repub lite.
Also is he a dominionist?
The signs of this were there.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)peggysue2
(10,830 posts)Goonch
(3,608 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)See it here:
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)You could tell from about ten seconds in where he was going.
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)that he never wants released.
GoodRaisin
(8,924 posts)I want to continue to hold off on the infrastructure bill until we have both bills ready and he says he is satisfied. And I normally lean toward the moderate left. But I am tired of hearing he doesnt like this or that. If hes going to grandstand and kill the reconciliation bill all by himself, the infrastructure bill isnt going to help us in 2022. If thats the case, he needs to carry the burden of being the one to torpedo both the bills. I honestly dont think we win in 2022 without both these bills and it is sounding more than ever like we need the leverage to assure hes in on the reconciliation bill.
Im also tired its okay when Republicans blow up the debt for tax breaks for the rich and nobody says a damn thing about it not being paid for and adding to the debt, but now that we have a bill for the people we have to worry about the all important debt (when the bill is supposedly paid for!).
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)The BIF is little more than a standard thing they have to pass anyway.
The new spending and true beneficial things are all in the BBB, which is fully paid for. Make Manchin sink it, don't give in.
dsc
(52,162 posts)they can let highway funding run out, and while they are at it, let defense funding run out too, oh and anything at all that is spent in WV, let that run out too.
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)While chanting GO JOE!!!! (not Biden)
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)I'm over his demands
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)t
UTUSN
(70,706 posts)jalan48
(13,870 posts)Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)A lot,