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Celerity

(43,411 posts)
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 04:11 PM Nov 2021

In blow to Biden, Joe Manchin will not commit to backing $1.75 trillion spending bill

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-november-agenda-not-faint-heart-2021-11-01/

November 1, 2021
8:32 PM CET

WASHINGTON, Nov 1 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden's domestic agenda suffered a significant setback on Monday when moderate Democratic Senator Joe Manchin announced he would not yet support a $1.75 trillion framework unveiled late last week.

"While I’ve worked hard to find a path to compromise, it’s obvious: compromise is not good enough for a lot of my colleagues in Congress. It’s all or nothing, and their position doesn’t seem to change unless we agree to everything," Manchin told a news conference.

"Enough is enough. It’s time our elected leaders in Washington, all of us, stopped playing games with the needs of the American people in holding a critical infrastructure bill hostage.”

He portrayed the bill as being filled with "shell games" and "budget gimmicks" that would end up costing far more than its $1.75 trillion price tag.

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In blow to Biden, Joe Manchin will not commit to backing $1.75 trillion spending bill (Original Post) Celerity Nov 2021 OP
There is no Komprimat on that clown? Maybe doc03 Nov 2021 #1
lots of shady dealing, but if Biden goes there, Manchin might flip to Senate to Moscow McTurtle Celerity Nov 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author doc03 Nov 2021 #14
I was going to add her in, but figured one thing was enough to make my point Celerity Nov 2021 #15
I suppose I better delete that. doc03 Nov 2021 #17
you said nothing that was remotely untrue, nothing debateable in terms of facts Celerity Nov 2021 #18
When do they stop calling montanacowboy Nov 2021 #2
The vast majority of the party is ready to pass both bills wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #9
While Biden is out of the country on Election Eve lame54 Nov 2021 #3
In a blow to Americans, mzmolly Nov 2021 #4
Just like the repuke he is. Moves the fucking goal posts every day but will NEVER onecaliberal Nov 2021 #5
This man MFM008 Nov 2021 #6
But it's the squad's fault right? FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #7
The Corporatist's are desperately trying to frame it this way. jalan48 Nov 2021 #24
ManChin should not be allowed to say "good faith." NoMoreRepugs Nov 2021 #8
And his defenders rejoice, for we are blessed to have such a great man in office. Lancero Nov 2021 #10
I say all or nothing! BlueLucy Nov 2021 #12
K&R bluewater Nov 2021 #13
Fucking asshole. Initech Nov 2021 #16
This is not even a little bit shocking to me Bettie Nov 2021 #19
Same. I have been saying all along that the rest of the Party is crazy to trust Manchin and Sinema Celerity Nov 2021 #20
What you said. Solly Mack Nov 2021 #23
Manchin just wants his precious bipartisan bill passed Deminpenn Nov 2021 #21
Manshoon, your 15 minutes of headline grabbing are over! LuckyLib Nov 2021 #22
He was always going to say this -- whether the house voted for infrastructure or not. Politicub Nov 2021 #25

Celerity

(43,411 posts)
11. lots of shady dealing, but if Biden goes there, Manchin might flip to Senate to Moscow McTurtle
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 04:35 PM
Nov 2021

so that is a big no go

an example:

Joe Manchin’s ‘blind trust’ is an utter farce

Top ethics experts are ‘stunned’ by Joe Manchin’s conflict of interest

https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/attytood/joe-manchin-blind-trust-conflict-of-interest-coal-20211019.html

America has learned a lot in 2021 about West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin and the things he doesn’t like, as he positions himself as “the decider” on what legislation can or can’t through the Congress. He’s not a big fan of what he calls “the entitlement society” — apparently any government action that benefits working folks instead of those who float on or near the senator’s luxury houseboat — or anyone bad-mouthing fossil fuels. But what the most conservative Democrat on Capitol Hill really hates is people asking him about his money.

In late September, Manchin snapped at a Bloomberg reporter, Ari Natter, who asked about the annual dividend checks the lawmaker still collects from a coal company now run by his son. “I’ve been in a blind trust for 20 years,” Manchin insisted. “I have no idea what they’re doing.” When Natter continued to press about the millions Manchin has received from Enersystems, Manchin angrily asked, “You got a problem?” and when Natter asked another question, “You’d do best to change the subject.”

Let’s not, shall we? In fact, let’s make Manchin and the conflict of interest that now threatens Planet Earth the main subject of today’s newsletter.

After all, it was less than three weeks later that word leaked on Capitol Hill that Manchin — knowing that President Biden’s ambitious climate agenda can’t pass the 50-50 Senate without his support — is successfully blocking the critical $150 billion component to help utilities replace dirty fossil fuels, including coal, with clean energy. Experts say that without the program, the lynchpin of the White House climate strategy, the United States won’t meet scientists’ timeline for reversing global warming.



So, yeah, we do have a problem, Senator Manchin. And part of the problem is this: When the senator says that his not-insignificant fortune is in a “blind trust” — his robotic response, for more than a decade — he’s technically not lying. But Manchin’s wealth isn’t in a blind trust in the sense that most people would understand that term. The senator knows that coal dollars are floating his boat. Like much of what passes for ethics in Congress, the whole thing is a farce. As any hardened investigative reporter would tell you, the corruption of Joe Manchin is the worst kind — the legal kind.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #11)

montanacowboy

(6,093 posts)
2. When do they stop calling
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 04:16 PM
Nov 2021

this POS "moderate"? are you fucking kidding me?

This guy is a radically corporate owned shill, devoid of all human feelings and in some ways a lot like TFG, it's all about "ME"

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
9. The vast majority of the party is ready to pass both bills
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 04:32 PM
Nov 2021

Manchin is in no reasonable universe, a "moderate"

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
10. And his defenders rejoice, for we are blessed to have such a great man in office.
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 04:32 PM
Nov 2021

His defenders say we should be happy with whatever he lets us pass, but refuse to see the reality that he doesn't want anything to pass.

Meanwhile, lets keep on attacking Bernie Sanders for his work in defending President Bidens original vision for the bill.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
12. I say all or nothing!
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 04:38 PM
Nov 2021

Everyone needs to go to West Virginia and tell folks Manchin torpedoed everything.

Celerity

(43,411 posts)
20. Same. I have been saying all along that the rest of the Party is crazy to trust Manchin and Sinema
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 05:00 PM
Nov 2021

They are bad faith actors. hell bent, apparently, on blocking and hurting us in 2022 and 2024.

Manchin just absolutely buried a late-game hatchet in McAuliffe's back and shit all over Biden whilst Biden is abroad at CRUCUAL climate change global meetings.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
21. Manchin just wants his precious bipartisan bill passed
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 05:00 PM
Nov 2021

AFAIK, the House plans to vote on both bills tomorrow.

Manchin negotiated the reconcilliation bill. Coons, who should know, has said both Manchin and Sinema support it.

Don't hang on every pronouncement when policiticans are trying to get their way.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
25. He was always going to say this -- whether the house voted for infrastructure or not.
Mon Nov 1, 2021, 05:56 PM
Nov 2021

His game is so transparent. He whines about negotiating in good faith, when he planned to not vote for the social spending bill anyway.

Fuck hm. So sick of his shit.

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