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Well, Glenn's not having it! (Original Post) cilla4progress Nov 2021 OP
I don't know who Glenn is. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #1
Kirschner. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #3
You'll hear from them now! lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #2
It only too 2 minutes FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #4
OK, so you posted some podcast? MineralMan Nov 2021 #5
WIth regard to Bannon, no. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #11
Forgive if it sounds like I'm dismissing your national profile somehow... cilla4progress Nov 2021 #14
OK, but the OP needed to include some context for the post. MineralMan Nov 2021 #16
Honestly. mahina Nov 2021 #19
I agree. At least give the full name of the person MineralMan Nov 2021 #21
Glenn needs to cool it, avoid the instant gratification demands of social media. Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #6
But he needs material for a daily podcast FBaggins Nov 2021 #8
Can we please not have a blind link? JHB Nov 2021 #7
My question is: Is Garland investigating Trump for anything?? riversedge Nov 2021 #9
Maybe that's why all the terrorists are being set free. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #12
Considering that Mueller left what was called FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #13
We all know ETHICAL USAGs do NOT discuss ongoing investigations. Hortensis Nov 2021 #34
There Will Be Plenty Of Time To 2nd Guess This Lack Of Accountability, After We Lose House & Senate SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #15
:-( CentralMass Nov 2021 #18
Trashing PortTack Nov 2021 #17
Kinda takes the fun out it, don't it? cilla4progress Nov 2021 #20
You don't care. Neither do we, then. MineralMan Nov 2021 #23
Using familiarity cilla4progress Nov 2021 #24
The key word is "former." MineralMan Nov 2021 #28
Nor have we heard from Garland. spanone Nov 2021 #22
Spot on cilla4progress Nov 2021 #25
video form krawhitham Nov 2021 #26
Yes - cilla4progress Nov 2021 #27
For what it's worth, I appreciated your post and had no problem with watching the video to Atticus Nov 2021 #29
Thanks, Atticus! cilla4progress Nov 2021 #30
what the hell are you talking about? Hey, here's a link and a non sequitor sentence. ZonkerHarris Nov 2021 #31
Did someone force you to click? cilla4progress Nov 2021 #32
I clicked because I was hoping you has something useful to say. I was wrong. ZonkerHarris Nov 2021 #33

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. Kirschner.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:44 AM
Nov 2021

Glenn L. Kirschner is an American attorney and former U.S. Army prosecutor who is an NBC News/MSNBC legal analyst.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. You'll hear from them now!
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:43 AM
Nov 2021

"These things take time, relax, this is normal, maybe Garland is playing 4D chess, maybe letting all those terrorists walk is just a trick to lull Trump into complacency"...

Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
5. OK, so you posted some podcast?
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:45 AM
Nov 2021

I'm not sure how that helps people get the facts about this, really. Some guy's opinion of it? I have an opinion, too.

My opinion is that the DOJ always moves slowly when it comes to charges and prosecutions. I've never seen it do anything other than that. Patience will be required, since none of us work for the DOJ. That means that none of us have any freaking idea what is going on there with regard to Bannon. Neither does Bannon.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
11. WIth regard to Bannon, no.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:03 AM
Nov 2021

But Mueller left what he called a roadmap, and a clear outline for prosecution.

Maybe patient investigation of everything else is called for, but at the bare minimum the Mueller report should have been acted on immediately. It was ready to go as soon as someone didn't have a Barr in the way.

We might not be in such a lawless place now had there been a little bit of consequence and deterrence.

cilla4progress

(24,760 posts)
14. Forgive if it sounds like I'm dismissing your national profile somehow...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:13 AM
Nov 2021

but Glenn Kirschner is not "some guy."

Here's more info, if you haven't heard of him. Please pardon my error:

Education
Glenn Louis Kirschner[1] was born in Brooklyn, New York in 1961,[2] and raised in New Jersey.[3] He graduated from New Jersey's Point Pleasant Borough High School in 1979,[3][4] where he wrestled[5] and played football,[6] and earned a U.S. Army Student Achievement Award.[4] He attended Washington and Lee University, where he studied journalism.[3] While at Washington and Lee, he was awarded an Army ROTC scholarship and joined the Virginia Beta chapter of the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity.[3][7] He played for the Washington and Lee Generals football team as a center on the offensive line for four seasons and was elected by his teammates as one of three team captains for his senior year.[8] Kirschner earned Old Dominion Athletic Conference all-conference honors his sophomore, junior and senior years and was named a first-team Kodak All-American college football player his senior year.[8] He was inducted into Washington and Lee University's Athletic Hall of Fame in 2009.[8]

Upon graduating from college in 1984, Kirschner obtained an educational deferment of his military service to attend law school.[9] While attending New England Law Boston he earned two American Jurisprudence awards (in trial practice and wills, estates and trusts) and was designated a Board of Trustees Scholar after his second year.[10] He received his J.D. degree cum laude in 1987 and entered active duty with the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General's Corps in January 1988.[9]

Career
Upon entering active duty as an Army JAG, Kirschner served his first tour at Fort Richardson (Alaska), serving as an Army prosecutor.[9] In that capacity he investigated and prosecuted court-martial cases and served as legal advisor to the post's many commanding officers.[9] After three years in that assignment, Kirschner was transferred to the U.S. Army's Legal Services Agency in Falls Church, Virginia, where he served as a government appellate attorney handling criminal appeals of court-martial convictions.[9] In that assignment, Kirschner handled espionage and death penalty cases among others.[9]

After more than six years active duty service, Kirschner was honorably discharged from the Army.[9] In June 1994 he joined the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia office as a federal prosecutor/Assistant U.S. Attorney.[11]

After a few early rotational assignments, Kirschner joined the US Attorney Office (USAO) Homicide Section led at the time by Robert Mueller.[9] Kirschner spent 24 years at the DC USAO, prosecuting lengthy RICO trials in DC Federal Court and murder/conspiracy/obstruction of justice cases in DC Superior Court.[9] Kirschner prosecuted more than 50 murder trials, served as Deputy Chief of the Homicide Section for four years, and was Chief of the Homicide Section from 2004 to 2010.[9] He retired from the US Attorney's office on June 1, 2018.[9]

Kirschner received the Harold J. Sullivan Award for Fairness, Ethics and Trial Excellence in 2017 and the John F. Evans Award for Trial Excellence in 2001, both from the Assistant U.S. Attorney's Association; the John F. Evans Award for Trial Excellence, the Chief of Police Medal of Honor in 2009 and 2010 from the Washington DC Metropolitan Police Department, and was inducted as a fellow into the American College of Trial Lawyers in 2018. Notable cases include:

U.S. v. London Ford - A landmark gang case involving the District of Columbia's first urban warfare theory of homicide liability.

U.S. v. Andre Burno - Motivated by a desire to steal a police officer's Glock firearm, the defendant ambushed an on-duty police officer, shooting him in the neck. The case/defendant is the subject of an Emmy-Award-winning HBO documentary titled, “Thug Life in DC.”

U.S v. Jose Rodriguez-Cruz - In 2009, EPA employee Pam Butler disappeared. In 2016, the cold case was revived, and enough evidence was developed to charge Ms. Butler's boyfriend with her murder. Although Ms. Butler's body was never found, the defendant pleaded guilty in 2017. The case is the subject of a Dateline NBC documentary set to air in November 2018.

U.S. v. Albrecht Muth - A controversial case involving a highly skilled conman in elite DC political circles who murdered his elderly, socialite wife. Kirschner tried the defendant in absentia from his hospital bed after he had starved himself into physical incapacitation. The case is the subject of a major motion picture directed by and starring Christoph Waltz titled, "Georgetown" and released in April 2019.[12]

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
16. OK, but the OP needed to include some context for the post.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:21 AM
Nov 2021

Without that, it's impossible to take it all that seriously, really, without further investigation and analysis.

Words are free on Democratic Underground. People should use more of them.

It's really up to the OP to include enough information to help DUers figure out whether or not they need to go to a link.

I'm sorry, but that has nothing to do with me, now does it?

mahina

(17,693 posts)
19. Honestly.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:53 AM
Nov 2021

It’s so tiresome. I don’t understand why anybody would think anyone would click a link find out what you’re trying to say. It’s like talking in riddles that can get your security breached.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
21. I agree. At least give the full name of the person
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 12:02 PM
Nov 2021

I'm supposed to check out. I don't click on random podcasts based on someone's first name. That's ridiculous.

It's cell phone shorthand, I guess. People can't be bothered to tap in enough information to make sense, really. The Realtor who is selling our previous home does a lot of that. Cryptic texts. I finally put my foot down and insisted that every communication be via email and include enough information so I can make informed decisions. Besides, I keep copies of all of those communications in an email folder for reference purposes.

Texts suck when things are important.

Posting on DU from a cell phone leads to this sort of thing.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
7. Can we please not have a blind link?
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:48 AM
Nov 2021

In this forum, when I see "Glenn", my word association goes to "Beck" or "Greenwald". "Kirshner" is not a name that comes immediately to mind.

Give us just a little to go on, ok?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
12. Maybe that's why all the terrorists are being set free.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:04 AM
Nov 2021

...'cause DOJ is so busy investigating Trump.....

...sigh...I wish...

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
13. Considering that Mueller left what was called
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:09 AM
Nov 2021

a clear road map and plan for prosecution, one really wonders why that at least hasn't been done already.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. We all know ETHICAL USAGs do NOT discuss ongoing investigations.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 02:34 PM
Nov 2021

My question is,

"Why are agitators on both left and right, and no doubt overseas, all pushing the influence narrative that suggests Biden's choice for AG is actively betraying/failing us in some way? Is the intent to develop fear and distrust among Democratic voters in order to suppress the vote? (The right all learned this "truth" long ago.)


I ask this, of course, on a day when significant elections are taking place.


cilla4progress

(24,760 posts)
20. Kinda takes the fun out it, don't it?
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 12:01 PM
Nov 2021

I guess not all appreciate subtlety...

Flame away. I really don't care.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
23. You don't care. Neither do we, then.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 12:09 PM
Nov 2021

But, you could at least include the full name of the person whose monetized podcast you're promoting, I think.

At least that, so I could ignore it as an informed Duer. I did click your link, saw that it's yet another punditry podcast, and then ignored it.

cilla4progress

(24,760 posts)
24. Using familiarity
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 12:16 PM
Nov 2021

can give one/people a sense of community.

That's all I was doing.

Kirschner is not a pundit. He is a former prosecutor. Are you saying you've never heard of him? My bad then.

ON EDIT: I don't come here to fight.

The essence of what Kirschner says in his podcast, that I anxiously await daily, is that justice delayed is justice denied. The deterrent effect of indictments is diminished if not lost when it is delayed overlong, as in this case. And provides a roadmap and incentive to future would-be dictators.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
28. The key word is "former."
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 12:43 PM
Nov 2021

As such, he has no information about the current doings at the DOJ. Everyone has some "former" someone or another pontificating on what this all means, but none of them has any knowledge of what is going on right now in that, or any other, agency.

You may await Kirschner's every word, but I don't. I don't know him. I do know that he now makes his living or part of his living as a podcaster or something, which means his income depends on people coming to it and listening to him. MSNBC and every other news network has a line-up of "former" somebodies to fill in the time gaps by guessing what is going on based on their "former" status.

Meanwhile, as usual, the DOJ and the DOD and the FBI and the CIA go on with their work without offering much information on what and how they are doing it. There are reasons for that - very good reasons.

And here on DU, daily, someone who is not even a "former" anyone feels free to tell us what is going on, based on nothing but their hopes and fears.

Nothing the DOJ does happens quickly. It shouldn't. Instead, things get investigated, sent to grand juries, and only then are warrants issued and arrests made. Someone else on DU today said, breathlessly, "IT HAS BEEN 12 DAYS!" with regard to Bannon.

For pete's sake! Government agencies of all kinds work slowly. It's a process that is well-defined and perfectly understandable for anyone who knows how such things operate. Garland can't issue a warrant for Bannon's arrest. He doesn't do that. The FBI is the Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATION, not a cop on the beat who sees someone doing something illegal and makes an arrest.

But we "KNOW" things. We think we do, anyhow. People "KNOW" that the DOJ isn't going to do anything. They know that until the DOJ does do something, and it's not going to tell us what it's doing, because that would also let the subjects of its investigations know.

Are you worried? So am I, but I'm far from throwing in the towel on all of this. I've been around long enough to remember how long so many things have taken in the past. They will take a long time once again.

Meanwhile, I suggest you not tease us with partial information about links you want us to click. Tell us more, if you know more. Use words. They're free here.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
29. For what it's worth, I appreciated your post and had no problem with watching the video to
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 01:44 PM
Nov 2021

get the full meaning.

ZonkerHarris

(24,242 posts)
31. what the hell are you talking about? Hey, here's a link and a non sequitor sentence.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 02:18 PM
Nov 2021

Thread trashed.

give some context and info next time.

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