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This is the thread to voice how unfairly harsh people have been on Senator Joe Manchin.
Feel free to show your support for Senator Manchin.
I'll start.
Senator Manchin has a 100% record on supporting President Biden's agenda in Congress, to date.
And this past month he has saved the country by stopping the passage of expanded social safety net programs that are just too expensive.
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MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)100% FTG
bluewater
(5,376 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,651 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,651 posts)The American Rescue plan, the debt ceiling and the BIF.
The rest were procedural votes and nominations.
Your Manchin sycophancy is duly noted.
George II
(67,782 posts)...100% or 66% or 33% or 0%. If only two the ratings would be 100% or 50% or 0%.
That's the math.
Javaman
(62,532 posts)doc03
(35,363 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,651 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)bluewater
(5,376 posts)n/a
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)bluewater
(5,376 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Ani Yun Wiya
(797 posts)He needs to save the USA from the horrors of the "Green New Deal"!!!
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,696 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,640 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:01 PM - Edit history (1)
...I want to like Joe Manchin
Indeed I do like Joe Manchin. He's a moderate democrat who is unique in that he can hold the party position in West By God Virginia for as long as he wants.
They still name things after him down there. They love him because they see him as one of their own: A decent and likeable hillbilly who works for the coal company. As of late he's had to walk a razor's edge between the party of Hillary and MAGA Fever that has invaded the Mountain State like so many rural areas.
Perhaps he's outlasted his shelf life as a democrat, but I'm not sure who could replace him with a D next to their name.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)that President Biden has already made in trying to win Manchin's support for the Build Back Better reconciliation bill.
I truly believed that by now Manchin would publicly state he supports the President's latest framework.
But he has not. It's inexplicable.
KT2000
(20,586 posts)because what he is doing may very well send us there again. Biden's polling numbers have been affected by what he is doing. He has become cruel.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)Didn't he block Biden's nominee?
I know he voted for MF45's nominees, but if I remember right, he objected to Biden's.
One more reason to add to the FTGs
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Manchin supporters that feel people have been too harsh on him this past month point to the 538 article showing that.
To be fair, it's a short record this early in Biden's presidency, but it is 100%.
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Celerity
(43,485 posts)plus he and Sinema have gutted out $3.8 trillion and counting, including many of Biden's centrepiece programmes, from the 2 infrastructure bills
that 100% record (which is for final votes only) is extremely misleading
George II
(67,782 posts)In fact the nomination was withdrawn before the Budget Committee voted on her nomination. Manchin isn't on the Budget Committee.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)OMB head and forced Biden to pull the plug on her nomination when he went public, on the record, as a no vote for her nomination.
Sen. Manchin opposes Neera Tanden as Biden's budget chief, imperiling nomination
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/joe-manchin-comes-out-against-neera-tanden-biden-s-omb-n1258387
White House pulls nomination of embattled budget chief pick Neera Tanden
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/white-house-pulls-nomination-embattled-budget-chief-pick-neera-tanden-n1258738
Sanders overall has been VASTLY more supportive of Biden and his agenda overall than Manchin and Sinema have. Sanders has not blocked any bill from passing, has not gutted any bill.
Sanders voted against Vilsack (he and others wanted Marcia Fudge there) in February for Secretary of Agriculture, at the urging of multiple progressive (concerned about corporate consolidation of farming that Vilsack did little to stop his first go-round as AgSec) and black farmers/civil rights groups who vehemently opposed his track record, especially over the Shirley Sherrod case. (Vilsack was easily confirmed, 92-7 and afterward, Sanders said "I think he'll be fine, but not as strong as I would like." )
His other No vote, from late spring, was against the Endless Frontier Act, when Maria Cantwell tossed in an amendment that was a $10 billion giveaway to Bezos via Blue Origin and then actively worked to scupper his amendment that would have pulled it out. The Act past easily, 68-32.
Sanders materially blocked nothing via either protest vote.
Unlike Manchin and Sinema, Sanders (and the vast majority of other Dems) has been tirelessly trying to get as much as is possible of Biden's agenda passed intact.
It is pure sophistry to try and posit some sort of material equivalence between Manchin and Sanders in terms of deleterious actual outcomes when it comes to Biden's agenda. Manchin (and Sinema as well) have done a shedload more actual damage.
George II
(67,782 posts)..Democratic Senator blocking her nomination she would have been confirmed.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)I have already put up the documentation (like I always do), you just (like you have for months) just keep on repeating the same old misinformation.
You need some new material.
George II
(67,782 posts)And one from Politico, no mention of Manchin:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/10/sander-tanden-confirmation-468350
CNN, no mention of Manchin:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-neera-tanden-hearing/index.html
Independent, no Manchin:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/bernie-sanders-neera-tanden-senate-confirmation-tweets-b1800516.html
Once again, Manchin isn't even on the Budget Committee that is chaired by Sanders, and she withdrew her nomination prior to the committee voting on her.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Keep digging.
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Celerity
(43,485 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Always making the same arguments, expecting different results.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)You are engaged in clear and selective cherry-picking and attempted omissions of key facts that occurred AFTER your articles.
I also already showed that Sanders never took an official public stance.
Of course the hearings were contentious. Tanden slated and smeared Sanders and many others for years (and she apologised) but even then, he never said NO, publicly on the record, like Machin came out on February 19th and did.
Biden eventually pulled her nomination of March 2nd, as I already showed, as he could find no Rethug to cross over and support her, which was needed due to Manchin's defection.
Manchin was the first and only Democratic Senator to officially say he was a NO.
The case is CLOSED.
You cannot selectively and falsely rewrite history to suit your clear anti-Sanders (and anti-AOC and other progressives deemed targets by you and others) agenda. People will hopefully always be there to correct the record.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I've had extended debates with some here, who don't seem to understand what that means. I've since put them on full ignore, of course.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)and preventing it from being voted on in the Senate would keep Senator Manchin's 100% voting record intact.
But hey, it is what it is and it would be cruel if anyone pointed out how meaningless that statistic is after watching the events of this past month.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)Torchlight
(3,360 posts)Let's bow our heads together and pray he gets those kick-backs before the Christmas rush.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Count your blessings. We're damned lucky to have him.
All the complaining and hand-wringing won't change a single thing about him.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)and insist he do the right thing and support president Biden's Build Back Better framework.
No one is irredeemable.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Makes him immune to criticism.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Who would you like to replace him with?
He's not going to change, so count your blessings. I'm glad he's one of ours and not one of theirs.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Again, I think if enough Democrats tell Senator Manchin that he is being wrongheaded in opposing the social safety net programs that he CAN change his views and start supporting the President Biden's Build Back Better framework.
No one is irredeemable.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)As we've seen from another politician's public harassment, it just hardened Manchin and he dug-in his heels.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)But I could be wrong.
In any case MANY people here on DU have made thoughtful and valid points detailing why senator Manchin is wrong in opposing President Biden's Build Back Better framework.
Again, I hope his fellow Democratic Senators are explaining this to Senator Manchin also.
I personally believe that the warranted criticism IS having a positive effect on Senator Manchin, his demeanor in recent press appearances seems less glib and more thoughtful.
Perhaps when President Biden returns from Europe, he can have another one-on-one discussion with Senator Manchin in the White House and finally get thru to him.
No one is unreachable. No one is irredeemable.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and a waste of time. But, y'all go ahead and get it out of your systems.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)OK.
... and a waste of time. But, y'all go ahead and get it out of your systems.
Thanks for participating in this thread then in any case, I respect your right to express your opinions even though I disagree with them.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)As we've seen from another politician's public harassment, it just hardened Manchin and he dug-in his heels.
Games, games, games. Ridiculous. You know exactly what I said, who I was referring to, and what I meant. Encouraging this type of harassment serves no good purpose.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)bluewater
(5,376 posts)They all bump the thread.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)bluewater
(5,376 posts)I'll wait a little longer making my next response to save the bump for when this thread goes lower in the recent posts.
I don't wish anyone to feel ignored!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)bluewater
(5,376 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)None of that makes him immune to criticism.
You're pushing a strawman. People don't want to replace him with a republican, they'd just like him to stop acting like one.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Go ahead, get it out of your systems... all the attacks will make ZERO difference in outcome and the chances that this emotionally-driven tactic will backfire continue to grow.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)I hope that President Biden invites Senator Manchin to the White House again and stresses how important the Build Back Better framework is to helping hard working families in West Virginia and the country at large.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)"criticism"
Hysterical.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)It's a message board. He's not getting damaged by a message board.
No one has any power here.hes a big boy and he can take criticism particularly when he's acting as he has. All you are really trying to do is squelch criticism because you don't like it not because it will damage him.
And guess what, while progressives may only be a few percentage points of voters in WV, he only won by a few percentage points. So he might want to consider whether his approach to progressives make electoral sense. The damage will come from his own actions and words not ours.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)At least to the point of accepting all the concessions President Biden has already made and to FINALLY publicly support the President's Build Back Better framework.
George II
(67,782 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)So it's either replace or no criticism? Seems like a false choice to me.
George II
(67,782 posts)"We have to get rid of Manchin", or similar language.
When asked who we should replace him with it's always "I dunno."
But everyone may get their wish when (if) he runs for re-election, Paula Swearingen is running third-party, almost guaranteeing a republican election.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)In the posts you look at because plenty aren't talking about replacing him except to vote in more Senators so he becomes irrelevant.
The only reason he matters is because we couldn't win in ME or NC last time around. We win those elections and we'd already have passed both bills right now with or without him.
And quite frankly he's about to replace himself. Progressives in WV may only be a few percentage points of voters but he only won last time by a few percentage points.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)It's often used when people feel uncomfortable discussing the contents of the thread's original post.
But of course, you knew that.
George II
(67,782 posts)I agree with everything you typed in your OP.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)You agreed with that? That Manchin saved the country by stopping the passage of President Biden's expanded social safety net programs because they were just too expensive?
Pardon me, well, if that's your actual opinion, thanks for sharing it.
Would you mind if I quote you on that going forward?
Well, honestly, I would in any case, it would be part of the public record here on DU.
I mean, you DID see the emoji, right?
Hoo baby...
Well, thanks for participating in the thread in any case.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:31 PM - Edit history (1)
kick him to the curb.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Auto correct issue?
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)He has enough to fill bathtubs and roll around in it, so I have heard and I saw the yacht.
48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)I can clearly hear the sirens of the Joe police coming. You better make a run for it.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Meowmee
(5,164 posts)He is really an r but not right wing enough now to run as one. It is a sorry state of affairs and it has been for many years. I see no way to correct it. The system is deeply flawed on so many levels.