Joe Manchin is reading his answers and talking points on MSNBC right now.

[Botany]

You could see his eyes move as he was reading.

I had to leave after he blamed China for the coal fired power plants that we have here.

this is from Sept. 2021


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216005972

[Joinfortmill]

1. Me too. I think he's going to obstruct the legislation.

He also seems to be enjoying himself.

[doc03]

2. He is in a different world. Everything has to be bi-partisan both parties have to get together and

negotiate. How do you do that when McConnell says Republicans won't vote for anything. China has 3000
coal fired power plants we only have 500 we need to work on technology to clean them up not shut them down.
The old Clean Coal bullshit.

[JohnSJ]

13. That is an understatement. It is way past due to pass the bipartisan bill, and instead of

people venting before the television cameras, just get to gather and pass the reconciliation infrastructure bill

The reality is there is a 50-50 Senate, and that limits things. We are six months into this, where after 3 months it was very clear where things were. We have a debt ceiling to deal with in December, which will need to be done through reconciliation, and holidays are coming up.

Add to that the high price of oil and inflation, we can’t continue this unending negotiations.

It is not a mystery why Biden’s favorability is low, and most of that isn’t Biden’s fault.

The Democrats in Congress better get their act together before next year

[doc03]

14. Its stupid you can't get your bill unless we get ours

first. I never did understand that idea.

[JohnSJ]

18. You are right

[dsc]

25. The Bipartisan bill takes money that was appropriated for our constituents

and spends it on GOP members constiuents. It is worse than useless.

[doc03]

28. So we just forget about physical infrastructure and focus on more

entitlement programs.

[dsc]

30. I want both but I'll be damned if we are going to cut unemployment benefits

to pay for roads and not get a bill that helps the people.

[Beachnutt]

3. He is talking in circles, not saying a damn thing

[bullwinkle428]

4. My fucking God. Listening to it right now.

Earlier this morning, he was talking about taking something out of the BBB bill, and "trying to do it separately in a bi-partisan way".

DO YOU MEAN, JOE, LIKE THE VOTING RIGHTS BILL YOU WATERED DOWN, AND STILL DIDN'T GET A SINGLE REPUBLICAN TO GET ON BOARD?

[Celerity]

7. Paid Family and Medical Leave. He just ranted on again about that.

Earlier this morning, he was talking about taking something out of the BBB bill, and "trying to do it separately in a bi-partisan way".

[bullwinkle428]

16. It was being reported on NPR as I was getting ready for work, but I think it

was specifically related to the prescription drug price negotiation issue. Which is LITERALLY the #1 most popular issue (out of nearly 200) across the board with Democrats, Independents, and Republicans.

[Vinca]

5. I couldn't watch. If only we had more of a majority in the Senate so we could ignore this camera

loving, coal investing, contribution mongering pain-in-the-ass. I don't consider him a Democrat, I consider him a number and the only thing standing between sanity and the Turtle.

[Celerity]

6. coalgaslighting like crazy, spewing RW talking points to a level that makes Moscow McTurtle purr

He wants a BBB pause again, but at least did not say until 2022 (although 2022 is almost here anyway).

He says that Medicare expansion will crash an (his words) already almost (in 4 years) insolvent programme.

Says he supports Paid Family and Medical Leave, but that is HAS to be a bipartisan standalone bill.

Now he is whingeing on that coal is getting the hell beat out of it in America.

Now he is getting angry and doubling down that he will not bend.

smdh

[Walleye]

8. Bipartisan, just an excuse to do with the coal companies want. They write his copy I think

[spanone]

9. can't stand this crap.

[malaise]

10. I'll pass

[malaise]

11. I'll pass

[Lovie777]

12. The House Dems are going to pass both bills ...

[JohnSJ]

17. They better. It won't matter to the voters in 2022 whose fault it is why the Democrats can't

pass the infrastructure bills, we will lose if that doesn’t happen.

Criticizing Manchin or Sinema will accomplish zip. We have a 50-50 Senate, and that is the reality

[Lovie777]

21. I just saw an article on another site . ..

claiming that the BBB won't help the Democrats in 2022.

So there you have it. When I see articles like that I come to the conclusion that it's the total opposite.

[JohnSJ]

22. It will matter, even if they are downsized bills. If we come out next year with nothing passed,

how will we justify that? Blaming Manchin, Sinema, progressives, or moderates, will not cut it with the voters.

Passage won’t guarantee doing well in the midterms, but not passing anything will be a disaster

[underpants]

15. Manchin "West Virginians live within their means"

Uh okay. WV is a welfare state - yes I have family there not that they are on the dole.

Barnicle actually mentioned aircraft carriers and fighter jets.

[doc03]

19. WV is tied with Mississippi for the least educated state in the country. A former radio

talk show host in Wheeling used to say WV is number 1 or 2 in everything bad and 49 or 50
in everything good, thank God for Mississippi.

[Botany]

23. Parts of W.V. are as pretty as anywhere on earth.

[doc03]

27. Sure the land is but WV has the most prejudiced backward population I have ever seen

and I have visited 40 states. Both my parents came from WV I love going to the mountains. The picture is beautiful but that is in
the mountains the other two thirds of the state aren't so nice. Ohio, Pennsylvania and every other state have some beautiful
country my personnel favorite east of the Mississippi is Virginia..

[Botany]

29. I have seen prejudiced backward populations in OH, in PA, in VA, KY, and Western MD too

Arkansas and Missouri has their dumb asses too.

[inwiththenew]

20. I listen and he basically said he will vote against it if he doesn't like it

That was my take. He also said use 2022 to get more progressives elected so they won't have to depend on him.

Beyond that though it was a pretty scathing commentary. I'm typing what I remember from memory as I was listening to this in the car but basically that we don't know the math in this. The real cost is likely to be twice what they are saying. We borrowing money to pay for this. When interest rates go up to slow down inflation that amount of money the we are paying on our debt is going to increase to cover borrowing more money at a higher interest rate.

[demmiblue]

24. He was just on CNN... we are a center-right country, the progressives are pushing Biden to the left.

Blah, blah, blah. I couldn't listen to it all. He is so full of shit.

[Lovie777]

26. I've noticed on other Pro-Dem sites that some bloggers are saying the same thing . ..

about Liberals while others are complainging about the Clintons.

[RainCaster]

31. Tell me when the MSM ignores him

Really, I don't care what he says. He's a whore for attention.