Joe Manchin politics lost us the governorship in Va.

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...centrist, moderate policy and politics lost the state, and failed to energize voters with the progressive initiatives most of the nation just voted overwhelmingly to enact in the last presidential contest.

That's the lesson out of Va.. Centrist, moderate politics allows republicans victories everytime they block or limit progressive policies Democrats voted to enact. That's the essence of moderate politics; to limit what Congress provides Americans. It's an easy reach from there for republicans to promise to block progress completely.

Centrism is a regression, not a compromise. It's a harbinger of reversion, and in its ultimate, Manchin-inspired form, designed to defeat or stifle what Democratic voters rallied for in the presidential race.

It's no coincidence that regression happened in Joe Manchin's state, at the cynical altar of political moderation. Manchin-like politics failed McAuliffe in Va..


(I totally transposed WVa. here. Sorry for the brain fart)

[Budi]

1. centrist, moderate, centrist, moderate, centrist, moderate, centrist, moderate,

You omitted the others who've delayed, & tried to convince us that "Nothing's better than something". So they stuck with nothing rather than move to compromise or negotiate.
That's where the bill stalled while they all got their 15 min on the TeeVee.

They all drove it to a deadlock while America sat there, enjoying their big bowl of "nothing".
Thanks for nothing!

Name them all.

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2. you're talking about the legislation Manchin's blocking

...yeah, he's to blame for that gridlock, as well.

There wouldn't be ANY progressive objections to proceed without Manchin's (and Sinema's) insistence on mucking with the legislation. No other Democrat has invested their time in trying to derail the bills. Progressives have all said they'll vote for BOTH bills. Not Manchin, not Sinema.

What I'm talking about in the op is Manchin-like centrism practiced by McAuliffe in his state. It's a failed ideology, and a lousy political incentive for Democratic voters. That's what's demonstrated by the Va. loss, not a repudiation of anything progressive at all.

[Budi]

3. The words are descriptive & as used, are intended to divide.

There are Dems within our legislature who fall within a variety of those categories at any given time depending on the situation.

To label anyone as a particular-only category, while also labelling them as 'perfect, good, bad, worst' is pretty divisive & extremely untrue.

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6. 'Moderate' is their OWN identification

...it's how they label THEMSELVES and how they describe their own politics and initiatives - and they don't shy away from deriding progressives. It's part and parcel of their appeal.

If it's divisive to identify their political approach and challenge them on it, it's divisive for them to formulate it and practice it as an ideology. Seems it's only divisive when it's being criticized.

[Budi]

9. Yet the 2 are lately used in sync, as to convey they are they same.

Centrists & moderates.
Centrists & moderates.
Centrists & moderates.
Centrists & moderates.
Centrists & moderates.

That's my point.
Both are quite different in their political ideology.

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4. DURec

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5. Well, a centrist/conservative Democrat (Jim Justice) won in 2016

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Unfortunately, he converted to a Republican by 2017.

[lagomorph777]

7. Also in VA.

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8. brain fart

...I transposed WVa., posting while working.