Do kids in the US still pledge loyalty to their country and state in school

[malaise]

Someone I know did a study here and found that more and more of the schools (public and private) have our children singing some religious song and pledging to god.

And we expect loyalty to our countries. Meanwhile civics is gone and now they want the assholes to decide what is history.
This planet is an effin' mess. I'm glad I'm old because I could not grow up with this ignorance, superstition and fairy tales.

[Ocelot II]

1. Not around here, that I know of.

I've never heard of pledging allegiance to a state, and I don't remember saying the national pledge of allegiance in my school after about 4th grade, which would have been the late '50s. I'm sure there are a lot of regional variations.

[lindalou65]

2. I have not heard anything either about schools doing the pledge, etc

I do know some of my relatives want to see it in the schools along with prayer--UGH. I am with you in that I don't want to see this come to pass.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

3. I've never heard of anything like that, beyond the Pledge of Allegiance

which is to the flag.

I attended public schools in two different states, and my sons in three different states.

[sarisataka]

4. Our state doesn't have

A pledge of allegiance, and they would do the National Pledge once or twice a year.

They did start everyday with a prayer but I don't find that unusual in a parochial school.

[Eugene]

5. Pledge of Allegiance and patriotic song, usually America the Beautiful.

Public school in suburban Massachusetts during the 1970's. Just the pledge from middle school onwards.

As for state loyalty, they use more subtle means to teach how the Hub of the Universe is so special.

[Irish_Dem]

6. This country is undergoing a profound and significant shift.

And not for the better.

[Celerity]

7. how long before the witch trials start up again?

ignorance, superstition and fairy tales

The Malleus Maleficarum aka Der Hexenhammer aka The Hammer of the Witches will eventually be red state required reading

[Klaralven]

10. The Witch Hunter By MAX SEECK

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646626/the-witch-hunter-by-max-seeck/

Malleus Maleficarum figures in the plot. Good book.

[Celerity]

12. thanks! I am going to order this now

It is around 18 USD after FOREX conversion from our Swedish kronor (SEK)

https://www.bookdepository.com/Witch-Hunter-Max-Seeck/9781787394797?ref=grid-view&qid=1636046993321&sr=1-1

[Klaralven]

32. Max Seeck launched in Sweden with great success

https://www.ahlbackagency.com/2021/02/max-seeck-launched-in-sweden-with-great-success/

I hope you enjoy it. Especially the ending.

[hunter]

8. I never did. My mom was a Jehovah's Witness when I was a kid.

They don't do that.

Ironically my mom got kicked out of the Witnesses because she wouldn't stay out of politics. Then we were Quakers. They reject those oaths as well.

My extended family practices multiple religions. Most were not Mormon in Mormon territory which made for some very odd couples.

I can't imagine living in a place where people worship some deranged god who gave them Trump.

[malaise]

15. The person is a former student/colleague of mine

and here is Jamaica - not all academic research is available on Google.

[malaise]

16. The person is a former student/colleague of mine

and here is Jamaica - not all academic research is available on Google.

[Texasgal]

22. You've been here long enough

to know that Malaise is from Jamaica! C'mon now..

[left-of-center2012]

24. No I did not know that

Come on now,
where are the links to that survey?

[left-of-center2012]

26. "you've been here long enough to know"

Do not presume to know what I know.
I find that so offensive that I think I shall place you on ignore.

Bye

[drexelkathy]

11. The only time I've seen this

was back in the 90's in a private Christian school.

I haven't heard of it since then.

[malaise]

18. Goes on in both private and public schools

Many of the principals and teachers are religious nutters

[jcgoldie]

13. we start high school with the pledge of allegiance everyday over the intercom from the office

Its led by ROTC students.

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Eisenhower added the "under God" part in 1954. Quite a few students do not stand for the pledge and I don't ask them to in my classroom although some teachers probably do. Sometimes I wonder if its a silent protest or they are just being lazy but I don't feel its my job to instill patriotism especially with the religious reference that some might argue is unconstitutional.

[lagomorph777]

14. We pledged to the flag, not to the country or the state, or the Constitution.

Should have been the latter, of course.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Pledge Of Allegiance, Yes

Surprisingly, even in some high schools. (Not all.)
But, I've seen nothing regarding the state. Just the pledge.
BTW: I don't participate in the pledge. I sit in my chair until all the announcements are over.
We are the country. Pledging allegiance to ourselves seems stupid.

[malaise]

19. I fully agree but my curiosity was about church v state/country

Thanks

[LeftInTX]

25. Pledge of Allegiance includes "under God" in it since 1954

I don't believe a court has ever thrown it out.


It has gotten better though...From 1941:

[malaise]

29. I get that but I'm talking about the complete replacement of anything to do with country

[ProfessorGAC]

28. They Do Moment Of Silence

But, I've heard no mention of prayer, religion, or god. (Except, of course, the added on piece of the pledge.)

[malaise]

30. Here there are loud prayers

[blueinredohio]

20. They still do the pledge here.

[tavernier]

21. Yes.

Daily.

[LeftInTX]

23. Pledge of Allegiance and Texas pledge (because it's Texas)

"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible."

Only in Texas, but it didn't become a law until 2003, so I didn't hear it when my kids were young.

[brooklynite]

27. Do you have the study results?

I find it hard to believe any public school is doing a religious pledge without a lawsuit immediately following.

(and I'm assuming you're not talking about the Pledge of Allegiance as written today).